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Is this emotional abuse or just general negativity? What would you do?

28 replies

MustSleepNow · 11/02/2018 23:05

My husband and I have been together 20years and have three young children. My husband used to be relatively relaxed, happy and fun but not anymore. His depression started around the time our eldest child was born, we had family issues at the time, a death in the family among other things and his depression has got steadily worse over the last 8 years. Since then he has become very insular, thoughtless to others and convinced his life is so hard and that everyone is against him. In reality he has a very supportive family, three wonderful children a good job, nice home etc.

He refuses to discuss any problems or issues we may have, always either storming off or shouting and swearing at me turning it around to be my fault whatever the issue is. He is so critical of the children, rarely giving any praise. He shouts at them a lot, by this is apparently my fault. Their behaviour is learnt from me and he shouts because of their behaviour so it is my fault?!. (They are actually well behaved good kids). It is noticeably more so for our eldest child, he constantly nags and tries to micromanage almost everything he does, it's relentless. This is definitely having an effect on our son and he has even asked me before if Daddy likes him. It breaks my heart that things have got like this.

My husband has been threatening to walk out once every few months for the last 5 years or so. It has only been recently that I have thought of telling him to go. There was an incident late last year where our son was a little noisy (he only dropped something) and huband yelled, shouted, made him sit on the floor tor 20 mins whilst telling him off, saying that he wasn't going to raise a child to be rude, ignorant, disrespectful, trying to break things...the thing that made alarm bells ring for me was when he said "you should count yourself lucky that you are just a little boy right now" as though there was a threat of something worse when older.

Since then there has been nothing as dramatic and my husband has finally been to the GP and is now on antidepressants. They seem to be helping his mood most of the time and he is making more of an effort with me but not so much with the kids. The criticism really worries me. What will it be like for them 5 years down the line if it continues to get worse.

I feel like I am trapped with no real options. If I stay it may continue as it is or get worse. I can cope with his mood swings and criticism but it is not good for the kids. My son is already struggling with his anger, shouting slamming doors etc. Like he has seen daddy do. I don't want him thinking this is how he should treat women and children or for my daughter too think this is how men are entitled to treat her. I've been thinking of suggesting marriage counselling. May not help but if it means he has to listen without storming off that cou be a good starting point?

If I leave with the kids/ask him to go I worry that he will try to get as much access as possible. I can't see him being amicable in the slightest (he can be pretty spiteful) and I can't see him agreeing to having the kids every other weekend. I think he'd want a 50/50 split just because he could and then I think it would be much worse for the kids. At least at the moment I am there to give love, support and help any time and I am a buffer when their dad is in a bad mood and being rude & critical. If they were with him half the week it would be constant for them and I truly believe my daughter couldn't cope emotionally with it. She's struggled emotionally this year and I think it would be too much and her dad would just end up shouting at her for not c sleeping, waking at night, crying etc and she would become hysterical. Our youngest Is only tiny and very clingy to me so couldn't spend nights away.

I'm a stay at home mum and have no savings so I'm sure that would go against me in terms of trying to get the kids with me full time as I couldn't support them except with benefits at the moment.

Has anyonebeen in a similar situation? How did things turn out? What would you do?

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Claydermansgirl · 11/02/2018 23:10

Cant help with practicalities but am sure someone will be able to. I would say your relationship should end and I wouldnt do joint counselling with him.

Hernameisdeborah · 12/02/2018 07:58

Hi, the situation sounds terrible and it is going to have a severe impact on your poor children as they grow up. Get out of this, it's very unhealthy. If you can get a free half hour with a solicitor they should be able to advise you on options, and entitled2.co.uk can give an idea of what benefits and financial help there is out there. But the fact he is depressed does not excuse his abuse. Flowers

motherofyorkies · 12/02/2018 13:51

I'm very sorry. Having been raised by a father like your husband is turning out to be, I think that the children will be better off if you leave and half their life is crazy and half their life is loving. At least then, they would know what to expect. They would have days that would be "safe." As it is, none of their days are safe.

MustSleepNow · 12/02/2018 22:25

I agree about the not knowing what to expect motherofyorkies. I find it so hard not knowing what version of him well walk through the door each evening. Will it be the vaguely happy version or the cross critical version. I feel like I'm walking on eggshells around him most of the time

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G120810 · 13/02/2018 02:38

Leave as this man is mentally torturing your kids go to a lawyer and get advice he would have to take you to court ask for kids to be seen by phycologist and they will report on the damage that has been done how do u know what's happening when he has them and your not there x

OnTheRise · 13/02/2018 08:41

Both my parents were emotionally abusive to me: they were both very critical; my father would shout and be angry, and my mother would make me feel guilty and ashamed.

It's left me with lifelong problems of depression and anxiety, and I have fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue probably as a direct result of their abuses.

If you can get your children away from his abuse, do it. Now. Today. They don't deserve it. Make it clear to everyone why you've parted from him. Get professional advice on how to minimise the effects his actions have on your children.

They really don't deserve this misery.

SendintheArdwolves · 13/02/2018 10:13

You need to leave this man.

Please don't think that you are somehow mitigating the impact he is having, or acting as a buffer - what you are doing is enabling and normalising his behaviour. Your son is learning that men can act this way and it's a woman's job to suck it up, and your daughter is learning that when a man treats her badly, she ought to accept and absorb that, and try to protect others from him, rather than looking after herself. This isn't some future lesson they will one day pick up - it is happening RIGHT NOW.

It always breaks my heart when I read women on here saying "I can put up with the bad behaviour/abuse/misery for myself, I just don't want it to affect my kids". Why should you have to accept being treated badly? Why would it be ok if it was "just you" whose life was ruined? This is your life - your beautiful, precious, amazing life and you only get (as far as we can tell) this one go at it - why should it be wasted tiptoeing around someone, pouring all your thought and energy and emotion into making sure that THEY feel OK?

*I'm a stay at home mum and have no savings so I'm sure that would go against me in terms of trying to get the kids with me full time8

It absolutely wouldn't go against you - you are their primary caregiver, a court would be more likely to want that setup to remain. How could your husband look after the children 50:50 anyway? Also, abusive partners ALWAYS threaten to go for full custody/get 50:50 - they almost never actually intend to get it (even if they could, which is highly unlikely) because actually looking after their kids is too much like hard work for them.

alotalotalot · 13/02/2018 10:24

I would leave him but I would try not to appear worried about him saying the 50:50 bit. If he thinks you won't fight him on this then he won't have any ammunition to hurt you with and he won't actually want half the care. Emphasise you must work together for the sake of the kids - as you should if possible.
Just mildly agree that you will do what the courts suggest or mildly agree that you will sort out the actual practicalities of where the children are later on when other practicalities are sorted. If he finds your Achilles heel then he'll use it to his advantage. So don't appear worried.

MerryInthechelseahotel · 13/02/2018 10:36

My exh was very similar. He threatened he would get custody as he could afford the best lawyer 🙄 but in reality he hasn't bothered and ten years later my kids see him once every couple of months unless they can politely get away with less.

MustSleepNow · 14/02/2018 07:25

Do you think it would be worth me suggesting we take a parenting course together to try to get him to see that he is treating the kids unfairly or it completely past that (I suspect it is)?

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AmberTopaz · 14/02/2018 07:33

No, I don’t think you should do a parenting course, I think you should leave. I’m honestly not a LTB poster but this sounds awful.

I doubt very much he’d want 50:50 in really. It sounds like he’d find that far too difficult and stressful. You are the main caregiver so it’s unlikely a court would give him 50:50.

665TheNeighbourOfTheBeast · 14/02/2018 10:09

I suspect you are not behaving normally at all around your kids. Not only will you be constantly appeasing and trying to head off you he's unreasonable anger you will have fallen into the role of being the over jolly, always trying to find the bright side whilst drying inside parent, in order to compensate for him. If he's always the bad guy it forces you to always be the good guy, no matter how inappropriate that is.
You are both modelling really bad behaviour patterns.
If you split up at least you will be able to behave normally. That's a massive improvement on what they have now.
Also note, as he externalised blame for his behaviour onto the kids they internalise it. They aren't shrugging this off.

category12 · 14/02/2018 10:21

Joint counselling is no good where there is abuse. And a parenting course isn't going to cut it.

I think you need to plan to split.

OnTheRise · 14/02/2018 10:45

I agree that a parenting course isn't going to do it. He would first need to accept that he's being abusive and it's clear he won't do that as he's blaming everyone else for his bad behaviour.

If you leave him you'll be able to be a more consistent parent, you'll be able to stop walking on eggshells and trying to keep him happy, and the children will notice. They'll very quickly learn that being with you is nice, with reasonable consequences for unreasonable behaviours, while being with him is uncomfortable and unfair.

thethoughtfox · 14/02/2018 10:49

You need to act now. Children in a stressful environment have high cortisol levels ( stress hormones) and they can be set like this for life. Your children need a safe home now.

Mbshell · 14/02/2018 10:58

My husband has been diagnosed with clinical depression. I’ve tried to be understanding but there is only so much you can take isn’t there? My husband has acted recklessly by taking drugs and gambling over the last three years. He’s started bringing up my past sexual history before I met him in a way to make himself feel better about the awful way he treats me and the kids.

My husband has singled out our second daughter who is 12 and tells her all the time that she irritates him as she is so much like me and tells her she shouldn’t get involved as she can be opinionated when she sees me being treated like crap daily I guess.

We too have a mortgage together and I only work part time so god knows if I could afford to live alone but it’s got to a point now that I can’t continue to do it anymore. I feel like he never takes on board how serious I’m being. So I’m currently looking at social renting properties. I’d rather be poor and happy than continue the way I am now!

HazySpring · 14/02/2018 11:44

I'm a stay at home mum and have no savings so I'm sure that would go against me in terms of trying to get the kids with me full time as I couldn't support them except with benefits at the moment

See a lawyer pronto. It will help you with your decision as you will have information to help you see an alternative. Your DH may be "spiteful" but the fact is you are married with children and he would legally have to help support you and the children financially should you split (though you will most likely have to look at finding work at some point). Anyway - speak to a solicitor; it will really help clarify your mind. An initial conversation can be free, but even if you pay £200 - £300 etc it is money well spent, perhaps the best £200 - £300 you will ever spend.

HazySpring · 14/02/2018 11:50

But with young children you may not need to find work ... I think you really need legal advice. But emotional issue sounds very hard - other posters have posted helpful stuff.

isthismylifenow · 14/02/2018 12:03

I can relate to many things you have said in your post OP. I stayed in my marriage far longer than I should have, in order to protect my children from similar type of behaviour. Shouting at them for ridiculous things, blaming them, my ds still talks about how his father screamed at him, he got stuck in the shower and couldn't get out, as the latch had gone, this of course was all ds's fault, there he was smashing on the door (ex not ds), that sort of thing. The relationship between ex and ds was on very thin ice, no matter what he did, he couldn't never do anything right. Since our split, I would say that its a bit better between them, but ds will never forget and still walks on eggshells around him. Ex says it was stress (my fault) and now he deals with things better as I am not always on his case Hmm

You cannot walk on eggshells forever, and yes your ds is going to pick up on his behaviour and think its ok. I had many harsh words from ds after his father left, as some things he said to me were just awful, but they were also the very same thing he heard is father say. We talked about it, and I made it clear that is wasn't ok, he never used to speak like that, so now why was he suddenly.

A parenting course, I fear wont do a thing. If like my ex, he doesn't do anything wrong anyway, so I know that even a suggestion of something that like would go down like a ton of bricks.

Do you want to stay in this marriage?. Don't think about financial, the dc or where you will live etc for the moment..... just think about... do you want to stay in this marriage?

Charley50 · 14/02/2018 12:17

I grew up with parents like this; dad always shouting and critical and completely unloving, and mum walking on egg shells, trying to be nice, but actually so consumed in appeasing him that she didn't really have time for her children.
It damaged us all in a lifelong way, and was a factor in my dB's severe mental illness.
So I would say, kick him out. It will be messy but this constant criticism of children turns into a negative inner voice and deep insecurity which lasts a lifetime.

ICESTAR · 14/02/2018 17:10

Op you have a choice to live through this but your children do not. Please be their voice and act on their behalf. As you've said it is already affecting them. If you arw a stay at home mum you can go online and google what am I entitled to and a benefits calculator. Anything will be better than this please do it for your children. Good luck. 😊

PartTimeProcrastinator · 14/02/2018 17:38

Please seek some legal advice so you know where you stand and what you are entitled to. If there are any domestic abuse support services where you live they may be able to link you in to some legal advice, to go alongside any practical support they could offer.

You and your children deserve so much more than living with this man can offer. Start making plans, it doesn't have to be like this forever.

VladmirsPoutine · 14/02/2018 17:38

Divorce is the answer. Christ knows how you are living like this.

Willswife · 14/02/2018 17:55

I would separate. If he then chooses to acknowledge his issues and seek help there is nothing to say you can't reconcile but I would ensure any help he gets is sought by him.

NotTheFordType · 14/02/2018 18:04

I think he'd want a 50/50 split

What on earth would lead you to this conclusion?