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Ex is making me feel crazy, am I?!

56 replies

pregnantandfierce · 04/02/2018 15:24

Ex has been described by many as a sociopath, deep down I think I knew he was but I continuously made excuses for his behaviour, rationalising that it wasn’t him, it was his poisonous ex gf that kept driving us apart.

Ex and I split for 10 days over Xmas, in that time he slept with the aforementioned ex gf and started dating another woman. I know this because when we got back together I picked up his phone and there were various messages from said women. When I confronted him he lied, I reached out to one of the women and asked her outright whether he was still in touch with her and whether he had been lying to me. Of course he had been. She described how he was stifling and very full on and that even though they had only had two dates he thought he might be falling for her. Pathetic I thought. The guy is in his fifties so hardly a boy. I asked about the ex gf and again he lied. I found her sock and a used condom under our bed. I foolishly took him back and he made a million promises to me. Up until that point we had been trying for a baby and given the circumstances I suggested I go back on the pill for a while to give our relationship time to stabilise. He was vehemently against this, both in person and via various written communications. He convinced me that happiness was with him and a baby. I didn’t go back on the pill. I own that.

I was around 5 days late for my period and he excitedly suggested we get a pregnancy test, I brushed it off and said I’d wait a few more days and then we could get one as I didn’t really think I was pregnant.

2 weeks ago the poisonous one wrote a letter to him, with the intention of me seeing it. It confirmed all of his lies and still he lied to my face. I was incredibly upset and told him he needed to finally go to the police because we could not get rid of her (despite her having a bloody boyfriend). The next day I called him after work and asked him what his schedule was for the week and he blew up at me, accusing me of spying on him and trying to catch him out. He subsequently broke up with me.

At this I was then 7 days late for my period and decided to take a test; positive. And another test; positive. I tried to call him but he dodged my calls so I emailed him the news. He was vile to me. He told me he wanted nothing to do with the baby or me. That I was a selfish and cruel bitch for bringing a baby into a world where it’s father despises it’s very presence.

I spent a week sobbing as I wasn’t sure what to do. This was a planned pregnancy and as such, I made the decision I wanted to keep the baby. I asked if we could meet up to discuss next steps. He has been abusive and threatening to me and has said that if I continue to make attempts to contact him he will involve the police.

Am I crazy for expecting him to step up to the plate here? I don’t for one second expect him to come back to me but at the very least I expect him to own half of the responsibility and at least speak to me.

We spoke also about telling his family and his kids from a previous marriage. He said that he doesn’t intend on telling anyone in his life and as far as he is concerned the baby doesn’t exist. Am I wrong for having suggested that at some point my expectation is that he will at least tell his kids, all of which are of adult age? I’m not suggested it to cause anyone hurt or pain but surely they deserve to know they are going to have a sibling?

Any advice appreciated as he’s making me feel like am an irrational and vindictive fool.

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SecretSantaaaaaa · 05/02/2018 17:29

You decided to purposefully get pregnant with a guy who'd had his dick in two other woman just a week before and who lied about it? What made you think he'd make a great father or supportive parter

As ever, really fucking helpful advice. What is the point on this remark? What's done is done.

SecretSantaaaaaa · 05/02/2018 17:29

You decided to purposefully get pregnant with a guy who'd had his dick in two other woman just a week before and who lied about it? What made you think he'd make a great father or supportive parter

As ever, really fucking helpful advice. What is the point on this remark? What's done is done.

Merryoldgoat · 05/02/2018 17:37

Jester - so glad things worked out well for you in the end though - it's definitely good to have other perspectives.

I hope OP is able to make a decision she's happy with.

AnnaleeP · 05/02/2018 20:38

It's clear he's not going to be any kind of father. I would forget attempting to make him see reason, or be a support to you.

I'd think very carefully whether continuing with the pregnancy is the best way forward.

Pregnantandfierce · 11/02/2018 18:31

Sorry for the long delay to your posts - I’ve been away on business and have had a pretty rough time of it. I do appreciate all of your comments and yes, this isn’t an ideal situation at all, but I trusted that he would change after he begged me to take him back. Having had 3 miscarriages previously I really did want a baby, with or without him in our lives. He wasn’t always this much of an asshole, admittedly he’s not the guy I fell in love with but he wasn’t all bad else I wouldn’t have been taken in by him again.

I am keeping the baby, it was planned after all. I have a six figure salary job, lot’s of support and the strength of an ox. Of course it’s not ideal bringing a child into the world without a father but I’ll make sure my baby doesn’t miss out because my ex has had a meltdown.

I feel better today, my ex buggered off to the ow and in the meantime 3 other women have come out of the woodwork saying that he’s tried shagging then since we’ve split so the ow is obviously just a stop-gap. None of my concern now but it did make me chuckle.

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Merryoldgoat · 11/02/2018 18:59

Glad you feel strong enough to take control.

With a salary of that scale I’d seriously consider not putting him on the birth certificate and cutting him out forever if you can... he sounds awful.

Have a wonderful pregnancy and good luck to you. You will adore your child and they you.

Pregnantandfierce · 11/02/2018 19:11

Thanks @merry - I feel far more in control and my emotions have settled down. Yes, I’m still not sure what to do about that, that would definitely be his ideal, he’s been pretty vile this week. I think he’s under the misguided impression that the meaner he is the more likely ill terninate. Unbelievable. All I know is me and the baby will be absolutely fine x

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ThisLittleKitty · 11/02/2018 19:13

Well good luck.

Merryoldgoat · 11/02/2018 19:22

Unfortunately I know of me who say the same but a bit down the line suddenly they ‘want to know’ their child. Which just means getting back to making your life he’ll.

Good luck.

Offred · 11/02/2018 19:25

All I know is me and the baby will be absolutely fine

You cannot say that.

Ok fine you have a job which will provide financially... but the child is half his...

You cannot possibly guarantee that the child or you will be absolutely fine emotionally when he is such a shit.

I think you are being very naive about just how difficult it could be for you being forever connected to someone so awful and for the child having him as a father.

Of course he might turn it around but what is vastly more likely is that he will repeatedly hurt and damage you and your child and that even if he doesn’t have any contact while the child is young this could happen anyway.

Pregnantandfierce · 11/02/2018 19:31

@merry and @offred of course he could waltz back into our lives but if he’s half way around the world (he’s not British) I think any contact would be limited. He’s intimated that he may go back home - which for me, would be fantastic. His 3 other kids are back home so it makes sense for him to go back.

I actually don’t think I’m naive at all, I think I’m just a realist since I know him better than anyone.

I can do this by myself, many other women do it under far harsher circumstances.

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ThisLittleKitty · 11/02/2018 19:31

I don't think this is the last of it chances are he will want to know his child despite what he says now. I imagine it will be a rough 18 years with him in your life (child will probably want to know there dad aswell at some point) but like I said good luck.

Offred · 11/02/2018 19:34

Do you know that whether you put him on the BC or not he can get PR at any time?

When he has PR he can drag you through the courts re contact, holidays, schools, medical treatment, where you live with your child etc and that even if he does all those things with no intention of having the child’s best interests at heart and all he does it for is to hurt you that you will be under pressure to abide by the court’s judgements and he will be able to do whatever the fuck he likes because the law can force you to give him a chance to be a parent but it can’t force him to bother with the child...

Pregnantandfierce · 11/02/2018 19:36

Thanks @thislittlekitty - I anticipate it will be a challenge but I’ll cope, because I have to. If he does FO back home I think things will be far easier, less chance of us bumping into him.

I’m moving to London so have lot’s to sort out. A new life. A new chapter.

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Offred · 11/02/2018 19:38

Are you aware that when he has PR he could potentially kidnap your DC and take him/her to be with his other DC and that you will be constantly living under the worry of that and have very little recourse to stop it before it happens?

category12 · 11/02/2018 19:41

Tell him you'll terminate and move.

Pregnantandfierce · 11/02/2018 19:45

@offred whilst this guy is an asshole I’m not concerned he would do anything like that. I think he will want to keep this child as a secret because he won’t want to appear an asshole to his friends and family (v religious).

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Offred · 11/02/2018 19:51

Plenty of v religious men have kidnapped DC in these circs...

Also, you mention a lot about how it will be easier for you if he does FO back to his other family, but have you thought how your DC may feel about having a father that has abandoned him/her in favour of his other DC? How lost he may feel at not having a relationship with his/her father? How angry he/she may be with you as well as him for bringing him/her into a situation like this?

ThisLittleKitty · 11/02/2018 19:51

Category and tell her child what when they want to know about there dad? Let them live a lie? Or find out their mum pretended to terminate them? No they won't damage a child at all.

Offred · 11/02/2018 19:52

And believe me, I am not saying that from a high horse but from bitter lived experience of watching my older DC struggle to deal with having a shit dad and the extreme stress that has put me under as a LP.

category12 · 11/02/2018 19:58

If he's genuinely a sociopath etc, the child would be more damaged by exposure to him.

ThisLittleKitty · 11/02/2018 20:00

That's what contact centres and supervised contact is for. A child deserve to know where they came from!

Offred · 11/02/2018 20:02

It is extremely difficult to get contact supervised.

category12 · 11/02/2018 20:05

Child can have information without having to experience. It's not so easy as that to set up supervised contact. Courts wouldn't order supervision on the OP's word.

ThisLittleKitty · 11/02/2018 20:09

Ok well just lie to the child then great plan Confused. And what to tell the child about their dad? That he's dead?