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Adult step son and daughter causing a problem

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WSMother · 26/01/2018 23:48

I am new to this site but I need some help. About 8 years ago I met a man on a social website. He is the love of my life and we have been living together for 7 years and we are now engaged to be married in September. He has been married twice before and has three children, I have been married before and have two children. My children are married and I have grandchildren. All is good there, no problems.

He has three children by his second wife who died tragically from pancreatic cancer over ten years ago. After that he got mouth and throat cancer and nearly died, but luckily recovered. We are extremely happy except we have a problem with two of his children.

His eldest daughter (38) who thankfully lives abroad, I believe has borderline personality disorder. According to my fiance she has always been difficult and it has been like treading on glass. We went to Australia to see her at Christmas. We then travelled up to Port Douglas and she joined us on New Year's Eve. She went into hysterics because we had booked her into a different room across the street from our accommodation. This was my fault, I had booked online and the place I thought was a one bedroom flat with a living room and sofa bed turned out to be a studio room with louvred doors around the bed and one loo. We thought we were doing the right thing by booking another room at great expense - a double bed with en suite, very clean and nice (we went to see it). But when we said what we had done she went into a complete breakdown and said she wanted to stay in the same room as us. I said (stupidly without thinking) 'There's always a problem, isn't there?' and with that she walked out and we did not see her for two days. In the meantime she texted her brother back in the UK and he was sending texts to us - accusing me of everything under the sun when actually it was a joint decision between my fiancee and myself.

His daughter has terrible mood swings, she can be sweetness and light one moment and screaming and shouting the next, she feels rejected even though we travelled half way round the world to be with her at Christmas, she always feels she is a victim, there is no black or white you are either right or wrong. She is very difficult to get on with because you never know what mood she will be in.

Anyway, my fiance's son who lives abroad too comes and stays with us for one week a month as he does business in the UK. He has a free room, free food and drink, clean sheets, laundry and his wife and child also come and stay. Not once have I had a bunch of flowers or a thank you letter. However that is fine. They are family and I cook and clean and I am happy they are there so my fiance can spend time with them.

The son came last week, the first time since his horrific comments to me by text - which were really horrible and vitriolic accusing me of doing and saying terrible things over the past five years. He stood in my kitchen and repeated all his accusations. He shouted at me and at one point I thought he was going to hit me. In the end I said if he thought so badly of me and had no respect for me then he could leave, which he did.

He came back two night's later when I was out to try to sort out the problems with his father and I think he was expecting to stay the night but he was told to leave until he sorted things out personally with me. He has now left to go back home without settling the situation. I know he cannot afford to stay in a hotel in London and so he needs to clear the air with me but I feel he hates me so much any apology with be two-faced and each time he stays there will be an atmosphere and I will not feel comfortable.

I want to draw a line in the sand and to forget everything that has gone on in the past. I am happy to accept responsibility for anything he thought I did but did not mention at the time and to apologise. I feel all the points he raised were trivial compared to other things which are going on (my daughter in law's mother is dying). I want him to get a life and stop being so immature. He always seems to see the bad side of people. It is as though he picks through each situation until he can find something to criticise.

We have a feeling all this is being added to because his wife is Eastern European. Her father walked out on her when she was a child and she doesn't talk to her brother. She had no childhood friends at her wedding which was strange. They have one daughter who we have never been allowed to hold, cuddle, kiss or get near to. We saw her five times in the first year and so we have not bonded with her. My fiance used to be joined at the hip to his son. She has driven a wedge between them. They say we put pressure on them by inviting them around to Sunday lunch, so in the end we stopped asking and told them they should tell us when they wanted to come, that they were always welcome. Once they were invited to lunch at 12 noon and they turned up at 2pm. We said nothing.

I am the Wicked Step Mother. I invited the son's daughter (aged 3), my fiance's granddaughter to come with us (and my granddaughter, aged 4) to Kew Gardens as they were showing a version of A Midsummer Nights' Dream and all the children were going to dress up as fairies and have a picnic in the Gardens.. I thought this would be fun and a great opportunity for some grandparent bonding. An innocent invitation. I said we would pick her up and to let me know if this was convenient. I sent it on the family's WhatApp. The son said it was done purposely to make him and his wife look bad if they turned us down (!). In the end both the son and the daughter made a huge fuss about children being made to dress up against their will. The son and daughter-in-law came with their daughter so no bonding as again we were not allowed to get near her and there was a terrible atmosphere.

Another accusation aimed at me was when the son and his family were staying last year and came in a 9pm when I had already gone to bed. My fiance was out. He knocked on my door to ask if his daughter could have a bath (there is only one bath in our house en suite to my room) and I said no, it was not convenient. In these vitriolic texts he said he was so angry and that I was insensitive and made them feel very uncomfortable and not wanted. In fact, I was giving myself an enema at the time (I have had some problems) - but why should I have to explain that to him? She could have had a bath the following morning.

Another complaint was that I had allowed their daughter to play with a box of cowri shells that we have. I can't even remember this incident. I am sure I would have been monitoring the play closely - I have brought up two children of my own. Anyway she plays with the dolls house which has tiny things in it. But I have apologised if I did this and take responsibility.

There were about another two incidents. I have apologised if they made him or his wife unhappy. It was not my intention. I love them all dearly and want to remain friendly for my fiances sake.

However I think it has gone too far now. I am so unhappy about it. The eldest daughter says she cannot come to our wedding in September as she has a prior engagement - nine month's notice!

The youngest daughter is fine and we get on great. Thank heavens one is alright.

Any advice?

OP posts:
TheAntiBoop · 27/01/2018 16:48

Are you in a 'new' house or their family home?

Lifeisabeach09 · 27/01/2018 17:09

You've done what you can.
You weren't unreasonable asking step-son to leave and refusing to let his child have a bath at 9pm in the evening after randomly turning up on your doorstep. He sounds like a pisstaker.

In fact, both older children sound like entitled and pathetic.
Encourage DP to have a relationship with them but take a step back. They aren't your problem so don't put yourself out.

deste · 27/01/2018 17:26

Can’t believe any 38 year old would want to be in the same room, that is just weird.

Cricrichan · 27/01/2018 17:34

They are bloody rude. I can't believe the son and his family stays with you 1/4 of the time and you provide clean bedding and free board and they've never given you a bunch of flowers or a card etc. And the daughter creating a scene when you'd gone all the way to Australia to see her is terrible. Why didn't you stay at there house?

Outlookmainlyfair · 27/01/2018 17:42

Some of the posts indicate how this is a loaded subject. I think you have been given quite a hard time both here and IRL.
It sounds like you have done your best, the only thing you can do is move on and rise above (having been in a similar situation and having almost had a nervousness breakdown as a result). If you hope for happy endings or a neat solution you run the risk of keeping an open wound. Having said that it is important Never to stand in the way of their relationship as that could undermine your relationship with your fiancé.
Good luck!

butterfly56 · 27/01/2018 18:17

Have a friend who went through a similar situation with a middle aged SD diagnosed with BPD.
No matter what she did for this woman it was never good enough.
She was screamed at, shouted at and was so worn down by it all it made her ill.
She had to leave as there was no let up with this situation.
She had a nervous breakdown because of all the stress of the situation
Good Luck OP...you are going to need it! Flowers

Rosielily · 27/01/2018 21:52

Following. I'm going n a similar position to OP.

WSMother · 27/01/2018 22:59

My fiancé hates confrontation and does anything to avoid it, although he supports me and says his son will have to put all this behind him and move on and he can only stay with us if I feel comfortable about it.
I try hard to give them all quality time with their father. He and his son play golf together and he went out to Australia before me and spent ten days with his daughter but this led to a huge argument. My partner just wants a quiet life. We love to see the family but we want peace.
I shall try to be aware of my tone of voice and what I say. I shall smile, be gracious and keep a low profile but I don’t want to walk on eggshells in my own home.
I think you are right, the blended family will never happen. When I met their father the eldest daughter was already living in Australia (they all have dual nationality) and the son was moving out. The youngest daughter was at Uni. So I never lived with them and their father (although the younger daughter was at home in the holidays and perhaps that’s why I get on with her).
I just have to hope that time will heal the rift and stay out of the way.

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BackInTheRoom · 28/01/2018 01:21

My fiancé hates confrontation and does anything to avoid it

My DM is like this and it really irritates my DSIS and I! So passive with her Narcissist BF! I'm not saying you're a Narcissist OP but when you see your DF agreeing with his partner maybe more than he did with their DM it might irritate them? Maybe they see you as controlling?

TournesolsetLavande · 28/01/2018 04:52

Biddidee Are you my sister? Wink

AmberTopaz · 28/01/2018 05:40

I agree with Bibbidee. Your fiancé may support you in private, but if he isn’t very vocal about it, his children may assume that you are calling all the shots and he is being controlled or manipulated by you.

You really need to make him play a more active role and be the main point of contact with his kids. So they can see that any actions they don’t agree with are coming from him, not you. At the moment it’s too easy for them to just blame you for everything they don’t like.

Hope it gets better, OP.

WSMother · 28/01/2018 07:27

Amber. I think you are right. I’ll talk to him but he’s not good at confrontation. He turns everything into a joke or changes the subject.
I’m coming to the conclusion, as some of you point out, that I will never please either of these two. The ball is in his son’s court, if he wants to stay he will have to change his attitude.

Funnily enough I feel no animosity towards either of them, only sadness is that we can’t have some kind of friendship.

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BackInTheRoom · 28/01/2018 10:43

I have a STBXH (manchild) and he is a conflict avoider too. Bloody irritating! On one hand they leave everything to you so then you have to take over but if you try and help them/enable them so they can help themselves they don't do anything! So annoying!

See I can't imagine the son having a pop at you? What was his DF doing whilst this argument ensued? Did you explain on this thread what the son was saying to you?

WSMother · 28/01/2018 12:42

I have just looked up all the abbreviations you use - so now I’m more in touch with what you are saying. My DF (is that right for Darling Fiancé?), anyway he was making supper - he is a great cook. His son was having a pre dinner gin and tonic and I was on Coca Cola as I wanted to keep my wits about me.
We were discussing his sisters behaviour in Australia and I said I thought she was a very unhappy woman and needed help.
He blew up. Said she had flown up to Queensland on her own, knowing no one (actually not true, she had an uncle and aunt there and her father and me) and was then rejected and put in a separate room ‘after all she had done for us’.
It was the ‘How dare you ...’ shouted in my face that frightened me. I then stopped saying anything and realised (probably what I should have realised before), that he will always back his sister (naturally) and will deny she has a problem even though he has been the butt of her temper sometimes growing up.
I’ve made a note never ever to broach this subject again. It is now taboo and will remain so.
The other taboo subject is Brexit. The son takes it as a personal insult that we voted leave as his wife is from Eastern Europe. Two weeks ago she came over and got her citizenship.
Most of the problems I now realise come from our relationship/or none of the granddaughter. My DF has a wonderful time with my three granddaughters who cuddle him, kiss him and climb all over him. (He was very much a hands-on Dad). But his own granddaughter is the opposite. I feel so sad for him.

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peachgreen · 28/01/2018 12:57

The son takes it as a personal insult that we voted leave as his wife is from Eastern Europe.

Yeah, I can see why he might be a tad put out... Hmm

I'd love to read this thread from the perspective of the son and daughter. I suspect we'd get a very different story.

MiddleClassProblem · 28/01/2018 13:11

peachgreen agreed.

And whilst his reaction was too much, I can see why hearing you say his sister is “unhappy” and “needs help” came across judgy rather than caring.

The grandchild thing could just be the grandchild’s own personality. My Dd is all over anyone like a hot mess regardless of whether they just met. Some just like affection from direct family or people they are comfortable with. Others don’t like it at all.

AmberTopaz · 29/01/2018 07:04

OP, I have to say I’m not surprised his son takes the Leave vote as a personal insult and I think most people would feel that way.

Twogoround · 29/01/2018 08:19

Telling someone you are voting leave who has a European wife was cruel and they won't get over that .
The daughter that has BPD in OZ is behaving like someone with BPD behaves .This wont change read up on it . She has BPD because os something that happened to her as a child i am sure your BPD know what it was . Read up on BPD.
The brother beliveing the sister is also normal he has not seen her for a few years and has forgotten how she is . He also knows you are a cruel and nasty human being as you told him you were voting to kick his wife out tge country . They had to pay £1000s so she can stay . I hope and DF gave him some of that money .
His wife won't ever like you and she does not trust you with their child . No way should ask to take by herself at 3 you should invite the mum as well.
You have made a lot mistake hopefully when the youngest get married you will like her partner .

WSMother · 29/01/2018 09:04

So what you are saying is that I should have voted Remain and everything would be better? I’m cruel to have an opinion on Brexit which is different from theirs? They were always going to live in her home country anyway. She was not going to be kicked out of the country - she’s been here for years - but it spurred her on to get her citizenship.
If she doesn’t like me, fine, but why did she and the son and daughter accept my hospitality and stay at my house for three weeks before leaving the UK? And why did she return and stay again when she was getting her citizenship? A little two faced is it not?
I don’t need her to like me, I don’t need to bond with the child but I feel sad for my fiancé. I would like to be able to move on.
In the scheme of things I think everything has been blown up out of proportion. You all seem to see being Eastern European as a bad thing, a criticism. Not at all.

So we have to change our political views to fix the problem? I can’t see this working, sorry.

OP posts:
AntiHop · 29/01/2018 09:18

I'd be personally insulted with you for voting leave. Getting British citizenship is difficult, expensive and not guaranteed. And your son in law not having EU citizenship will make it difficult in your step son when he's in her home country.

Your dismissiveness around this shows lack of empathy.

MiddleClassProblem · 29/01/2018 09:43

We see Eastern European as a bad thing? Er...

They didn’t just stay with you, they stayed with his father. They get one with him, they love him.

You come across to me as someone who thinks they are right and that won’t change no matter what we say.

How easy do you think moving to Eastern Europe would have been for DS post brexit? She didn’t have citizenship at the time either. I’m not saying you should have changed your vote but you should have definitely considered why DS might be upset about it.

I do think it’s odd that DD wanted to share a room with you fwiw. But that doesn’t make her an awful person. If you wanted to make sure that she was ok about the situation you should have discussed it with her when you were booking it. Just saying “the room we booked isn’t suitable for 3 but we there’s this great apartment opposite etc” or something before hand rather than letting her turn up and find out there. It sounds like she suffered anxiety too and planning is a great key to that. You didn’t give her the opportunity knowing she has some for of mental health issues, regardless of seeingshe had anxiety or not. And then even though you sort of regret your comment “there’s always a problem, isn’t there?” It’s was awful. In her eyes you accidentally booking a room she can’t share as it sounds was discussed and planned probably flashed in her mind that you did it on purpose. And you’d booked her somewhere else and she just finds out when she gets there. I mean it’s easy to see that she would feel you’re pushing her out.

Again, you can see why DA reacted to your “she needs help” about his sister when you were “the cause” for want if a better term of the fall out.

I’m not saying you’re the most awful person in the world but you do sound inconsiderate in areas. No one is perfect but I believe if you see your faults you can then attempt to change them and become better.

Twogoround · 29/01/2018 09:53

Wow
I am not telling you how vote just to shut your trap about it . Something you seem unable to do . Your politics are your business and are not something to be discussed with people you need get on with like you stepfamliy .

Ragwort · 29/01/2018 10:09

I just don't think it can ever work easily when you get involved with someone who has adult children. A very good friend of mine is involved with a man who has 8 adult children - most of them hate her. (He was a widower when they met, his wife died many years ago).

This man has bought all of his children a very large home, (he is obviously very wealthy) but even so they see her as a 'gold digger'. They absolutely hate her - despite the fact that she provides the companionship sex that he clearly wants and does all the running around taking him to hospital etc etc. He has not changed his will so she will not get anything when he dies - everything goes to the children - and they know this.

The situation hasn't changed for nearly ten years - quite honestly I don't know why she stays with him when she is treated so horribly by these adult step children. Sad

differentnameforthis · 29/01/2018 11:04

We were discussing his sisters behaviour in Australia and I said I thought she was a very unhappy woman and needed help. This is the sister who you believe has BPD, right? So her family are probably acutely aware that there are some things going on with her, or you have unilaterally decided that!

So saying I thought she was a very unhappy woman and needed help in the context of you thinking she has BPD and sharing this, (as I expect you do) could be seen as the final nail, as it were and in the context of her family being aware of some issues with her, it is down right bloody rude of you to say it like that!

Her brother was defending his sister. Perhaps he wasn't right to "get in your face" but if I were you I would be reconsidering how I talk about these children and what language I use, because it does sound to me like they are feeling left out/at the end of a very long line of problems surrounding you.

You also need to tackle your partners reluctance to step in when issue start to flare. That said however, I do not think you should be expecting him to be 100% on your side, all the time.

differentnameforthis · 29/01/2018 11:12

But his own granddaughter is the opposite. I feel so sad for him. My father has several grandchildren. My daughter would be the last one to "be all over him" because of her crippling anxiety around anyone but me, her dad and her sister.

That doesn't indicate anything, so I think it is unfair to bring it up in this context, as something to use against her parent.

If she doesn’t like me, fine, but why did she and the son and daughter accept my hospitality and stay at my house for three weeks before leaving the UK? And why did she return and stay again when she was getting her citizenship? A little two faced is it not? YOUR house? Or you & his FATHER'S house? Anyway, that little sentence right there, some true colours there...