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He lied to me, I was OW. The girlfriend didn't believe me. Why do I want him back? Just need someone to talk to.

19 replies

butithoughtilovedhim · 26/01/2018 17:50

Been in 'questionably' abusive relationships in the past, but I think relationships take two people and I don't want to play the victim. Worse physical abuse was when my ex was drunk, thought I had sat on another man's lap (I hadn't) and shoved me, but it never recurred. That relationship was difficult in other ways, due to his drug use, paranoia, tracking my whereabouts and things. But I was depressed and anxious and not easy to live with either. Been in one relationship where I was pressured into prostitution and the man was outright sexually abusive.

So far so background.

I moved on with my life. I am back in training for a good career. And then this guy came along. Five years older than me, with a history of a good career, now on the same course as me. My initial impression was that he was arrogant. But he persuaded me he was actually socially awkward/shy, that he was just like me. We met a few times because we lived in the same accommodation, and each time I felt he fancied me in the way he behaved. The second time we met he disclosed some really personal information about someone close to him, to illustrate the stress he was under, and I found it odd and over-sharing but then felt pleased he trusted me.

We spent a weekend together at a training event and he barely left my side. He even jokingly said "miss you already" when he left the cabin. Said I was pretty and a kind, pleasant person. I had a small injury and he gave me analgesics for it, he gave me one of his beers, gave me other little tokens and did favours. He took me on a walk in the dark because he said he didn't like being in a group (I had friends in the group but I wanted to go off with him). He knew I liked animals so suggested going to look for badgers, foxes etc.

At this time he found out I am into psychiatry and was quizzing me about whether he was a psychopath. I took this to mean he was joking or being overly self critical. He talked to me about his daughter, previous relationships etc. and how him and his girlfriend were in an open relationship. I had turned him down for a drink a few days prior to this because I knew he had a girlfriend. We walked around in the woods for 2-3 hours, separate from everyone else (campsite). At one point he took my hand. It was raining and we sat on a log and kind of hugged. I quizzed him again about the "open relationship" but he was very plausible and gave a lot of detail about the arrangement.

He progressed things to touching me, so I stopped him and said I wanted to wait. He gave me a little spiel about "of course, it's your body, no pressure from me, nobody should ever pressure you to do something with your body". I thought, wow, what a nice guy. How different from the other ones...

I got a lift home and he was keen to arrange to meet me again. He suggested a glass of wine the next night as we lived in adjacent buildings.

I went round and noticed his flat was really empty. I guess this isn't a crime. But something felt off about the way he had no real personal effects, like it was just a white box he lived in, except for some photos of his 9 year old daughter from a previous LTR.

He poured me a drink and it was literally a huge glass of wine filled to the brim. I remember commenting on it. I was nervous so sipped it quite steadily and noticed he wasn't really drinking much of his. He talked a lot about himself, his open relationship situation (she has a higher libido so instigated it, she is so sexually adventurous but he can take or leave sex and just likes companionship and someone he can talk to). I know, I'm a fucking mug. Anyway, my glass got topped up and I was pretty pissed by the time he suggested we sit on the bed as the sofa was uncomfy.

We had sex but he kept losing his erection and I found that weird, he blamed it on anxiety because he liked me so much. Apparently it had been ages since he had sex with his girlfriend because they're long-distance. Apparently they were "essentially friends with benefits but Facebook official to shut her friends up". He laid it on thick. And kept me up all night talking about his family, his life, his achievements at work, people he had saved or helped in his career.

He wanted to see me again 2 days later and we settled into seeing each other twice a week, but he was never, ever as interested as during that training weekend. I wore more make-up, tried to be more admiring, more interesting etc. but he never complimented me like he used to. He even stopped making an effort to buy all the drinks, always open doors for me, offer me his jacket. It declined within 1-2 weeks. I didn't know what I'd done and was desperate to get things back on track as he'd seemed so wonderful.

But I decided to break things off. He said I should think about it for 3 days then come over for a cup of tea. He reassured me that him and his girlfriend were really in an open relationship, he liked me etc. So I agreed to keep it up. We started doing a regular activity together.

I started to feel a bit bored during our "dates" and once I timed how long it took him to ask me about myself. It took 45mins. I started going to the loo partway through and wondering if I'd be rude if I excused myself to go home. It was becoming apparent that he was quite selfish, always talked about himself and his supposed successes at work or with women, and he was starting to put me down in comparison with lots of other women.

But if I tried to pull away he started being fairly sweet again.

Everything kind of came to a head before Christmas when he claimed his girlfriend wanted to get married. He made out he was a victim in all this; poor him, he never wanted to marry her, maybe he could stall her by agreeing to wait 18 months to propose. He said some hideous things about her being dependent on alcohol and drugs, that she was unstable, "not ladylike", swore too much and was aggressive due to being in an abusive relationship.

I moved into the role of "relationship counsellor" and found myself constantly defending a woman I had never met.

Meanwhile my personal life and work was suffering, I was getting depressed and feeling ill all the time but I couldn't bring myself to blame it on that situation. I thought I loved him and he was great.

He said we had to stop sleeping together and I freaked out. I didn't want him to go. He said his girlfriend suddenly wanted to be serious and it was wrong. But while he said that, he made a move to have sex with me. So I was left wondering what was going on.

It came to a head properly when I saw him last week, and the day after I was so miserable at university that my tutor took me to one side. We had a 3 hour chat about him and she asked if I felt he was manipulative. I wouldn't hear a word against him initially and blamed myself, but after I presented certain things to her.. she made me realise that some things he claimed he had done as a student, or in his worklife, were actually impossible. I began to ask women he claimed he'd been intimate with if he had ever dated them, and he hadn't. Other women saw him as shy and reserved and a bit weird. The whole image he built up was more or less false. But I was stupid enough to be dazzled by it.

So I messaged the girlfriend and asked "were you ever in an open relationship?" and got back "not to my knowledge". Then I got angry texts from him. He would be calling me soon to "discuss". She asked for more information but made it clear she felt I was a liar.

He berated me on the phone, said I was ruining his life and his relationship and if I loved him I'd let him go and be happy with her. He said I was putting his final qualification exams at risk with my behaviour, and even that I was upsetting his girlfriend, and potentially his child who loves her. He said he'd come round.

He knocked on my door at 11pm and I was asleep, but woke up. He was so angry. Told me if his girlfriend finds out where I live she will hurt me, to the point she'll get a criminal record. He said he did me a favour by withholding my address. He made out he was on my side. He said he was going to walk away and never see me again. I was hurt and confused that he lied, made me an OW and an accomplice to his cheating, but didn't want him to leave at the same time. So I begged him to stay. He said we could only stay in contact if I covered for him and took all the blame. He was going to present me as a scorned crush; I made it up to split them up because he wouldn't have me.

I lasted a day before I sent her all the evidence I had. He said I'm the most manipulative, disgusting, vindictive person he has ever met. He said he was giving her my address. So I had to spend the night at a friend's and I spoke to the police about options. The first time I came back to my flat I was shaking and looking everywhere for this woman who was supposedly going to hurt me. The police advised I text to say I didn't want to prosecute (despite having evidence), but I wanted him to stop. And he agreed.

So all this has blown over. Like living in a fucking soap. And I want him back. Why? He was never nice to me. I don't even really like him, let alone love him like I thought. My strongest emotion for him was probably feeling sorry for him, feeling connected because he seemed to be vulnerable with me. I remember sitting next to him on his bed while he talked about the stress he'd been through or stuff about his life, and feeling so warm towards him, like I wanted to help.

I don't rationally or consciously want him. But knowing he hates me feels so uncomfortable. She hasn't even left him, she swallowed his bullshit. And that's her choice. But I feel emotionally wrung out and like he's just run away to be with her. And I've just been used and it's shit.

Sorry, I don't know who to talk to.

OP posts:
PsychoPumpkin · 26/01/2018 18:00

He’s a waste of space, so leave them to it.

It’s never a good idea to tell the girlfriend/wife that you’be Been sleeping with their partner, you’ll always come off looking bad, desperate and spiteful.

She wants to stay with a cheat despite the evidence? That’s up to her.

I think he’s made it quite clear that you two are over so just gather up your self respect, brush yourself off and go out and meet someone better, because you will, and you’ll be so so glad you let this toad go.

Myddognearlyatethedeliveryman · 26/01/2018 18:05

Op I would think she never had any plans to hurt you, he just didn't want you to meet her and give her the full facts. He is a low life bastard and you deserve so much more.
Delete all ways to contact him to avoid temptation.

0ccamsRazor · 26/01/2018 18:12

He is a cunt.

Block all contact.

Find a partner who is kind, honest, sincere and respectful.

Love, respect and treat yourself kindly.

ferando81 · 26/01/2018 19:16

He sounds crazy and you will be worse if you have anything more to do with him

SandyY2K · 26/01/2018 19:17

Chalk it down to experience and don't look back. He's a nasty evil man

Gemini69 · 26/01/2018 19:40

Poisonous Dick right there sweetheart.. block him forever Flowers

Grunkle · 26/01/2018 20:19

You poor thing, you sound so down.

It's normal to feel like this after someone has been awful to you. On a very deep level you probably believe everything he's done is your fault and you're hoping you can make it all go away somehow. It's awful.

He was lovely in the beginning because he could tell you were vulnerable and that if he blew hot and cold, you'd get more and more addicted to chasing the high of him being nice.

The longing you feel now is your body literally trying to get through the craving of wanting to be happy / feel loved. Guys like this know how to hook you in.

The good news is, this will all pass. It just takes time.

Block him, be busy, and give yourself some time to heal. Talk to your tutor and see if you can get counselling through uni. Build yourself up... So that guys like this can't break you down.

butithoughtilovedhim · 26/01/2018 21:55

I am really down, I keep bursting into tears and then can't stop myself from crying. From one minute to the next I wonder if he's really awful or if I ruined everything and I just want him to be nice to me again.

I know he's done with me and I feel like a horrible emotional crazy person, all I want to do is call him and sort things out, but my friends made me delete his number so I can't.

I miss him, my flat feels empty now he isn't here and he's not even in the same city right now as far as I know. He's never coming back and it's my fault for not being good enough.

OP posts:
PsychoPumpkin · 26/01/2018 22:07

It’s his fault. And you’re worth more than this. Chin up.

Haffiana · 26/01/2018 22:26

Are you truly in love with a complete and utter wanker, do you think? Or are you actually in love with your role as advisor and confidante?

I think you know the answer to that - you have even hinted at it in your posts. You have become addicted to the vicarious thrill of his utterly fucked up, miserable little life, and have become addicted to your strong, wise, important role in it.

You need to go cold turkey. Later, when you are relatively straight, you should consider exploring some therapy for yourself.

You say that you are interested in 'psychiatry'. Well, you need to learn that in order to be of any help to another, first you need to spend a long time understanding and healing yourself. You, who you are as a person, has been almost entirely lost in this episode. You are still in grave danger.

RidingWindhorses · 26/01/2018 22:45

From your text - he's a boring, selfish, manipulative liar.

You don't want him back you just got physically attached to him as you'd had sex. That's all. It will fade.

And you will have dodged a massive sociopathic lying bullet.

RidingWindhorses · 26/01/2018 22:48

This isn't love it's just rescue-itis. You want to fix him.

MargotMoon · 26/01/2018 23:07

*The longing you feel now is your body literally trying to get through the craving of wanting to be happy / feel loved. Guys like this know how to hook you in.

The good news is, this will all pass. It just takes time.*

^^These are really wise words.

He completely took advantage of your vulnerability.

As an ex-Florence I advise you to read this! https://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/florence-nightingale-why-needing-to-fixhealhelp-in-the-name-of-love-is-unhealthy-p1/

schmagetti · 26/01/2018 23:14

You need to focus on you. You need to block him and never contact him again, he's a waste of space.

What do you enjoy doing? You need to discover you again. After I dated a very similar toxic/confusing person I wrote myself a checklist for everyday with things like "30 minute walk outdoors" etc. I slowly began to rediscover what I enjoyed and found new hobbies too. Keep busy. One day at a time.

serialcheat · 27/01/2018 06:44

MUG... you are....

GRIP.... get some !!!!

PLFDiDi · 27/01/2018 07:34

In the words of Oprah winfry, if someone acts as though they don't like you - believe them. I wish someone had told me this when I was vulnerable. Only keep people in your life who actually make life better. Good luck untangling your self and good luck grabbing a Mr Right for me xx

supersop60 · 27/01/2018 07:41

It is not your fault

This man saw that you were vulnerable, sucked you in with his manipulating lies, and then stomped all over you. The reason his girlfriend didn't believe him is that he was telling lies about you, to her.

Please spend some time away from men and get counselling to help with your self esteem and boundary issues.
Brew

flumpybear · 27/01/2018 07:47

Listen to your college tutor, he's a liar and manipulative too, you feel sorry for his pantomime because it worked on you .... he'll try it a different way with a different muggins believe me!

Stop blaming yourself, he's a lying cheating bastard, that is all!

SerPants · 27/01/2018 08:09

He knocked on my door at 11pm and I was asleep, but woke up. He was so angry. Told me if his girlfriend finds out where I live she will hurt me, to the point she'll get a criminal record. He said he did me a favour by withholding my address.

I expect he'd love to manipulate two women into fighting over him. Sicko. He's probably been telling her inflammatory stuff about you as well, in the hope that one or both of you will take the bait.

Has he used the word "psycho" about either of you by any chance?

I've known this kind of bloke before- they are nothing but manipulative headfucks. I know it's a wrench but the sooner this guy is firmly in your past, the better. Flowers

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