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How do I stop triggering my partner?

88 replies

sorrymess · 25/01/2018 12:51

My partner has been suffering from symptoms of PTSD since soon after the birth of our child, several months ago. The trauma stems from loss of control during and following a complicated pregnancy and birth, coupled with being dependent on people (i.e. me) who did not provide adequate care, protection and concern during these times. The full story is more complex, of course, and involves more players (e.g. midwives, doctors, my mother), but those are the broad strokes.

When my partner is triggered, and flips into an episode, she goes through hell. She is consumed with anger and despair, cannot eat properly, cannot sleep properly, and cannot control her feelings. These episodes can last a few days. They are horrible to watch, and I desperately want to avoid pushing her into one.

The trouble is, I keep doing it. She has several different triggers, mostly originating from the time following the birth while she was extremely unwell. Examples of triggers include startling her while she's asleep, or taking the baby from her without asking. She tells me that she's more likely to "flip" if I'm rude or unpleasant after triggering her. But although she's told me about these triggers multiple times, I find myself pulling them over and over again. And if she berates me for triggering her I often lose patience and snap at her, which seems to make things much worse.

The costs of doing this are so incredibly high, and the sitaution is completely unsustainable as it stands. She's told me that living with me is torture, and that as soon as she is physically well enough she wants to leave. I want to stop making her feel this way, and of course I worry about the effect on our child. What can I do? Has anyone else been through something like this? Did anything help?

For the record, she is taking an SSRI at the moment (one that had worked for a previous bout of depression) but it doesn't seems to help at all with these episodes. She is reluctant to see a counsellor as medical settings are something she now finds triggering, plus the counsellor would be from the same trust that botched her pregnancy.

OP posts:
aloamora · 26/01/2018 13:01

I don't think your horrible. You have a tiny screaming baby between you. You are both sleeping terribly (I assume) and getting used to your life changing dramatically.

On top of this your wife sounds like she's in a terrible spot where she is moving between feeling highly strung and feeling traumatised.

Then there's you walking on egg shells because you don't want to upset her but finding it hard not to snap when it appears you can't keep her happy without being perfect.

Sounds like a pretty intense environment to me!

When you find a calm moment, sit with her and talk this through again. Tell her your sorry for when you've set her off, that you want to help and come up with some practical solutions for avoiding some of the triggers, sleeping on another bed for example so you don't jostle her or telling her your about to sit on the bed.

Then you need her to get help. Some of her triggers (like you not shouting at her) are fair enough and should be an aim regardless of her ptsd but some like not moving the bed or medical settings are just to impossible to avoid forever. Even if she's not keen on counselling she's needs to ask her gp what options are available so you know what he options are. Just getting the appt and chatting with gp might help her feel more in control .

Whenyouseeit · 26/01/2018 13:43

Having watched one of my dearest friends go through birth trauma / post natal psychosis some of these responses really concern me.

I stayed with them for a while to help out and her illness was such that she blamed him for everything. I witnessed her verbally tear him apart, really long screaming rants where she'd tell him in detail what a useless failure he was in every aspect of his life & how being with him had ruined her life. He'd stay silent you could see him crumble. I'd try & stop it but it would make it worse because then she'd try and persuade me. She eventually got professional help when she ranted about him to her health visitor. Social services got involved because they thought she was at risk & she was deemed the abuser. Her husband was her best advocate then.

Nearly a decade later she's fully recovered and they are very happily married. She's very clear that she was extremely ill & needed help.

If OP is in my friends DH's situation he doesnt need people piling on telling him how awful he is. His partner doesnt need that either. She needs professional support.

Granville72 · 26/01/2018 13:49

Have you spoken to your Health Visitor at all? Remember they are there for you as well as your wife and the baby.

She really needs professional help and support and you alone aren't going to be able to do that.

mrsmuddlepies · 26/01/2018 13:52

Wonderful advice from Chocness and Itsthequiettones. LeCroissant, you are clearly trying to pick a fight. You are being unkind.
sorrymess, you are doing your best. Hopefully some counselling and time passing will help your wife to feel better.
Good luck to you. Here is hoping that things will improve during the course of the next few months.

NotReadyToMove · 26/01/2018 13:59

I would involve the HV and I agree that your dw needs support.
I also appreciate that she isn’t keen on a counsellor or help from the Trust she doesn’t trust at all. And she first needs to acknowledge she needs help....

For yourself, I would suggest counselling for yourself (it must have been very hard for you too). And then activities that will help you relax and calm down so you are not into fight or flight reaction as soon as an ‘incident’ happens. Mediation, a sport, any relaxation techniques would be a good start.

cestlavielife · 26/01/2018 13:59

Ok ypur priorities are
1 baby is baby fed protected cared for

  1. Your own mental health in this so. Get some counselling. It isnt easy being on the receiving end of someone telling you hiw awful you are.
3 your wife to get professional help

2 and 3 may involve some combined input

Talk to the health visitor ask for referrals to counselling and therapy for both of you

NotReadyToMove · 26/01/2018 14:07

Also I think it’s worth remembering that it’s not all your fault, which is what I am getting form your posts.
Your fault for not being a good advocate for her, your fault for triggering her all the time, your fault for not being patient enough/good enough/attentive enough/knowing what she needs or wants enough.

Just as much as it’s totally normal to want to do the best for Your dw, it’s also worth remembering that no one is perfect and that it’s oretty human to make mistakes sometimes too.

Have you tried to talk to her abiut what you could change to make things better? So let say, rouch8ng the bed/her feet in the dark is a trigger for her so yu want to avoid it. On the other side, getting up in the dark makes it more likely for accidents to happen. Woud sleeping in different bedrooms help (maybe you in the same bedroom than the baby if/when you are the one to get up at night and then all three of you back in the main bedroom if she is getting up?) or any other adjustments like this that wouod allow a reduction of the obvious triggers.

LeCroissant · 26/01/2018 14:07

I don't see why people are saying I'm trying to pick a fight. It's clear to me that the poster himself is aware of his own behaviour being a problem and has admitted to being unnecessarily rude and unpleasant. That's not to say that his wife isn't very ill - it sounds like she is - but his behaviour can't be helping.

sorrymess · 26/01/2018 14:32

Yes, but, you see, that's why I came on here.

OP posts:
Granville72 · 26/01/2018 14:35

I think the first port of call is your health visitor. She will be able to help yourself and your wife with the support that you both need.

LeCroissant · 26/01/2018 14:36

I think you've had good advice so far, but the only way to deal with your rude and unpleasant behaviour is to stop being rude and unpleasant.

SpiritedLondon · 26/01/2018 14:38

Well let’s see.... The OP lives with someone who is suffering from rages, psychotic episodes, anger, depression, upset ( in varying stages) AND he is also sharing responsibility for the care of a new born baby. So let’s add no sleep on top of that. Do you think there’s a person alive who can navigate that scenario and always do the perfect thing? No! And if you think you’d be a serene being in that situation you’re fucking deluding yourself. Some people can’t even navigate PMT let alone PTSD. Give the OP a break.... they wouldn’t have posted on the Relationship board would they if they were an argumentative prick? ( they’d be on AIBU Grin.

sorrymess · 26/01/2018 14:47

LeCroissant, I ask this genuinely - are you implying that I've been rude and unpleasant to you?

OP posts:
LeCroissant · 26/01/2018 14:50

No, you haven't at all. You've asked how you can stop triggering your partner. You know being rude and unpleasant to her triggers her. So you need to stop that. You've also had a lot of other good advice from posters about the help you can get for yourself and for your wife.

sorrymess · 26/01/2018 14:51

Unfortunately, Spirited London, I am a bit of an argumentative prick, but I appreciate words of support otherwise.

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SpiritedLondon · 26/01/2018 14:59

Ok OP but at least you have some self awareness. None of us are perfect. You can’t make yourself disappear in the hope that you’re going to avoid triggering her.... life is triggering her. She needs to get some proper help. I knew a psychologist who moved from helping rape victims to women who suffer from birth trauma who had a practice in London. There are specialists out there you can access if your DP will go.

LesisMiserable · 26/01/2018 14:59

Fucking hell, some posters on here are just a joke. Misandry at its worst. There are literally no words for the absolute bias that exists on here.

sourpatchkid · 26/01/2018 15:18

How was your relationship before the birth?

cestlavielife · 26/01/2018 18:11

When someone is in throes of severe anxiety / reactive then nothing you can do is right.
It s v hard to live with and you cannot walk on egg shells forever
The wife needs help
The op needs support
The baby in the middle needs to be cared for.
Get some real life input. Soneone who can see the dynamics for real. And offer strategies

Pringlemunchers · 26/01/2018 18:23

What was your wife like before this happened ? How did you resolve disputes etc?

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LesisMiserable · 26/01/2018 19:05

He knocked her foot he didn't pummel her on purpose ffs. Imagine being so wary of what might kick off by accidentally knocking someone's foot that you have to get defensive?? Maybe he's sick of walking on eggshells? I would be. New babies are ridiculously mind numbingly tiring for BOTH parents. You have to work together. You absolutely cannot be dictated to by one person's triggers 24/7. Its a team effort or it's a fail!

SandyY2K · 26/01/2018 19:29

You must be walking on eggshells in this relationship....I feel sorry for you.

The problem is you're an easy target for her to lash out on ... she can't lash out at the health professionals...but you are free game.

No doubt if you slept in another room, she'd have something to say about that.

You're in a lose lose situation unfortunately. I bet she's actually angry with herself in relation to the birth trauma...but it's easier to target you.

You didn't know what she was going through...you couldn't know...do expecting you to advocate may have been unrealistic.

Build a good bond with your baby...because this may ultimately be a coparenting relationship. She may never get over the post birth trauma.

SandyY2K · 26/01/2018 19:33

You absolutely cannot be dictated to by one person's triggers 24/7. Its a team effort or it's a fail!

Well said.

No doubt if you decided to leave her...she'd soon start reflecting on her unreasonable behaviour with "I've driven him away"

CanuckBC · 26/01/2018 19:37

Yes, he’s messed up and has owned up to it. What else do you want him I do? Give you his first born? He has admitted where he has been wrong and his short callings, ie temper patience etc. He is asking for help to correct this. Isn’t that Hester then going on as it has been?

OP, I have PTSD from various things. Meds only do so much. She desperately needs counselling to help with her triggers. Counselling will help her with coping mechanisms for triggers. Not every incident with you should become a trigger. She is highly reactive right now and needs help. This should happen sooner then later before she becomes despondent or suicidal due to the thoughts in her head. Who is a comfort to her? A close friend? Her mom? Maybe have them over on the regular to help her. Private counselling sounds like way to start if you can afford it, if you can’t maybe borrow money initially to get the ball rolling. EMDR, CBT are both good techniques that help with PTSD. The meds that worked before my pregnancies did not work after. Hormones can change how are bodies process them so a med change may be needed as well.

Also, accept responsibility for what you can. Own your part in things. Empathize with her, not pity but true empathy. As I her how you can help and be honest that you feel helpless and that the more you try to not trigger her the more you seem to. That you are not intentionally doing it. It seems sometimes the more we try to be quite and stealth the more noisier we are.