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Alcoholic husband

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IHeartVikings · 13/01/2018 12:38

This is probably going to be long but I want to start at the beginning because I don't know if I missed warning signs early on.

Me and my husband met when we were teenagers, both quite outgoing and sociable. We clicked straight away. We had our first child when I was 18 and he 19. Unplanned but very much wanted, we were quite settled, had a flat and both working. I think DS1 was about 6 months when I realised things could get difficult, DH got quite snappy and didn't seem able to cope when DS was crying/whingy. The biggest split between us was that he wanted to use controlled crying and I didn't. This meant I was reluctant to leave the baby with him.

Things got really strained between us and we separated for a while. We seemed to work through our differences and I think he realised that more than anything, he wanted to be with us.

From there, everything was great, he was more involved and seemed so much happier. We planned our second child and it was plain sailing. We got married and had another. A house move and 2 more wonderful children followed. The youngest being born in 2013.

I'm not really sure when things changed, maybe 2015. Just arguments and tension that wasn't there before. The summer of 2016 saw us have a huge argument and he went to stay with his parents. They live four hours away so he didn't see us at all while staying there. His parents are both alcoholics and everytime I spoke to him, I could tell he'd had a drink. He's always enjoyed a drink but no more than most other men we know and I never thought he had a problem.

He came back, full of apologies but things just weren't right. He has absolutely no family support here so I kind of felt like there was nothing I could do. If we separated, he would most likely move with his parents, lose his job and probably be too drunk most of the time to care about maintaining a relationship with his children.

From there, things just got worse, I felt like he fabricated arguments so he could storm out to the pub. He was coming home legless, falling through the door, not getting up for work. Things came to a head in May 2017. He was picking the children up from school, we had 1 in secondary and 3 in primary so the school run is a bit of a mission. When he came home, me, our eldest and DH were in the kitchen and I asked if DH had been drinking. I thought I smelt beer. He said no, he'd had an energy drink. I left it there.

The following day, DS2 was in trouble for lying, no big deal but I won't let the children think they can lie about anything. He shouted that dad lies all the time and gets away with it. He told me that the day before, DH had drunk 4 cans of beer while picking the kids up.

I packed his bags there and then, no real explanation, just told him that his bags were on the doorstep and not to try to come in because it would frighten the kids. We spoke later, he apologised and said it's not the first time he had done it. He was renting a room because that was all he could afford for the time being, I told him that I would not allow him to drive the kids anywhere. I would drop them to a park or sports club and I would pick them up when they were ready to come home. This worked out great for him, he could carry on drinking without any backlash from me and I was doing all the running around.

In the June, DS2 had a cricket match but it clashed with something that I had planned so I said he wouldn't be able to play. DH begged me to let him take him, he promised he wouldn't drink. It was a morning game anyway. I reluctantly agreed. Later that day I had a call from my friend whose son was also playing, she said that DS2 wanted to go back with her and she would drop him home later.

When she dropped him off, she told me that DH had disappeared for a while at the game and when he came back, he was very obviously drunk. She knew what we were going through and said it was her idea for DS2 to leave with her. I called him, I was so angry, I told him I would not allow him access to the children without a court order. I felt that by leaving the kids with him at all, I was putting them in danger.

He was still drunk and had a night shift at work. I'm still not sure of the ins and outs of what happened but he almost lost his job. This was a major turning point for him. He admitted he was an alcoholic and attended his first AA meeting. He hasn't touched a drink since that day.

Right now we are trying so hard to work through our problems and have even considered trying again. But it seems that now the drink has gone, the moods from the start have returned. He's snappy with the kids, they can't do anything without getting into trouble. He has changed so much and giving up drink has been really hard for him. I do appreciate that but I don't want us to be walking on eggshells forever.

We've spoken about it and he doesn't even realise hes doing it. Where can we go from here? Am I being unreasonable and asking him to change too much? I really don't want it to be the end, we've been through so much together.

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Bananalanacake · 13/01/2018 12:46

People suggest giving them a year of no drinking before thinking about getting back. The need to stop has to come from them. No one else.

notheretoargue · 13/01/2018 12:54

I’m so sorry you’re going through this. As a former alcoholic I would say that the drink is a symptom as well as a problem in its own right. Is your husband getting any therapy for other issues? If.m both his parents are alcoholics is it possible he needs to work things through?

AttilaTheMeerkat · 13/01/2018 13:29

"I really don't want it to be the end, we've been through so much together".

But its already ended by his actions. This is over, his primary relationship is with alcohol and not you. Not to also mention the abuse he has meted out.

What you write above also sounds like the sunken costs fallacy and a bad investment is not going to suddenly become good. I would read up on the sunken costs fallacy as this can cause people to keep on making poor relationship decisions.

I was not at all surprised to see that his parents are alcoholics; alcoholism can be also learnt. You ignored those red flags because you also met him when you were both teens, you were very naïve at that time and probably also thought that love conquers all.

How do you personally know he has not touched alcohol since that day as well?.

He goes to AA meetings but underlying problems remain. He may well have self medicated his moods through excessive drinking. He is still snappy with his children and really you do not need him in your lives given his emotional abuse towards you and in turn them. There is really no good reason therefore for you to have him back. Life with him was you all simply lurching from one crisis to another; is that really what you want to teach these children about relationships?.

Would you want this type of a relationship for them as adults?. You would not. That says it all.

DukeOfBurgundy · 13/01/2018 13:44

Is he still regularly attending AA meetings? Quitting alcohol isn't the be all and end all of recovery. Most of the AA programme deals with the other shit that comes with it. If he's still part of AA, hopefully he will start managing his other issues.

It's great that he's been sober for 6 months. But you don't owe him anything for that. I don't think you should have any more contact than you're comfortable with.

(I'm an AA attending alcoholic in recovery btw)

Eltonjohnssyrup · 13/01/2018 14:25

Has he discussed his mood with his doctors? Could there be an underlying problem like depression going on too? Medication might help.

I agree that 6 months is far too soon to think about trying again, at least a year. You might find his moods settle down as he gets further into his recovery. Don't consider it now. And if you do ever consider it, do it very, very slowly e.g. do not move him back in straight away.

Aside from the welfare of you and the children, he needs to concentrate on recovering now, not on a relationship.

hoopieghirl · 13/01/2018 14:35

Sorry to hear what you are going through. I am nearly four years sober. I would agree with others six months is too soon to just continue as normal. Your Dh has alot of work to do. Just at the beginning of his sobreity journey x

serene12 · 13/01/2018 14:59

Alcoholism is very much a family disease, due to the impact it has on the family. You need to focus on your recovery from this terrible disease, there is a 12 step programme called Al-Anon specifically for family/friends of loved ones, who suffer from alcoholism.
Good luck

lynmilne65 · 13/01/2018 15:55

Recovering alcoholic of 34 years, if I can help pm me x

Coyoacan · 13/01/2018 16:42

Not a solution to your problems, OP, but your husband could probably do with Vitamin B supplements. Alcohol depletes vitamin B and without enough vitamin B people become irritable.

IHeartVikings · 14/01/2018 13:40

Thank you so much for reading (must have taken a while) and replying.

One of the hardest things for me is seeing him with no support, other than AA. I know he isn't my responsibility but it's so hard for me to just turn my back. He has lots of friends who are all supportive but are heavy drinkers themselves. From such a young age, his life revolved around pubs and drink. He is still attending AA regularly and they are really helpful.

Of course I don't know for certain that he hasn't touched a drink but I do believe him. When he has given up smoking in the past, I would know if he was sticking to it by the way he would talk about it. He would be very proud of himself and eager to tell me how long he hadn't smoked for but if he had "cheated" he would kind of skirt around it if you know what I mean.

He's very proud of his achievement so far and has all of his chips from meetings. But he's very open about how hard he is finding it.

He spoke to his Dr about maybe needing medication but the Dr just brushed him off, saying of course he is going to be feeling anxious but medication won't make a difference, only time could do that.

I've looked online about how alcoholism affects families but I'll admit to only looking for success stories which I know isn't helpful.

I'm not even sure what I'm looking for here, I just needed somewhere I could put it all out there I think.

Maybe your right Atilla, maybe it is the end. But could it one day be the start of a new, better relationship?

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Eltonjohnssyrup · 14/01/2018 14:14

Possibly. But you need to take this very, very slowly. Baby steps. There's nothing wrong with you supporting him. But perhaps you should be cards on the table and say that for at least another six months friendship and support is as far as it goes.

Even if you do decide to do something after that don't make any big steps. Gradually start having him included in the family more so you can see if his behaviour has changed.

MrsRyanGosling15 · 14/01/2018 14:27

I would just leave it OP. My df is an alcoholic. (Recovering at the min) I do alot of work professionally with people with alcohol issues. I would not be trying to have a relationship with this man. The only people you should feel a responsibility for is yourself and your children. Your dc deserve better than this.

What are their choices? A df who is drinking or one that is moody and snappy with them? That's not much of a choice and can not be a happy and stable environment for them. I know very very few alcoholics who have given up drinking and then stayed sober. Very few. Being the child of an alcoholic parent is just bloody awful. You live in a heightened sense of anxiety all the time. It's horrible when they are drinking and then when they are sober its just like waiting on a time bomb going off. It's always there in the back of your head. Nothing that you have wrote makes him come across as a good father. I would just focus on you and the dc.

ferando81 · 14/01/2018 14:52

Instead of being snappy he should be begging forgiveness for the crap he's put you through .Alcholics have this idea that people should just pat them on the back for giving up drink and forget and forgive all the pain they have caused.
They need to prove themselves worthy and show real remorse over a long period of time before they are let back into the family unit

IHeartVikings · 14/01/2018 14:53

Reading back through my last post, it sounds very desperate. I don't think I come across like this in real life. I'm just hoping that if he can learn to control his emotions, maybe there's a chance.

There is no relationship at the moment, other than me offering as much support as I can. I owe this to the children even if I don't owe it to him. We had many happy years, where alcohol wasn't a problem and neither were his moods. I'm clinging onto hope that he couldn't possibly have been pretending to be happy all that time.

At the moment, due to work/school, he's not having the kids overnight. He sees them a few afternoons each week. I think this might be a good thing, maybe he can use this time to work things through a bit. You're right, at the moment, he's not a very good father but he has been a fantastic father and I'm hoping that he will be again.

I'm going to suggest he sees another Dr about either vitamin B or anti depressants. I just want us all to be happy, whether together or not.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 14/01/2018 14:58

He has done enough harm to your family unit as it is; your children do not warrant such a chaotic figure in their lives.

You are not responsible for him. He is the sole one who is responsible for his own actions here. He has to want to clean up his act; you cannot and must not do that for him.

You can only help your own self ultimately. Address any codependency issues you have; alcoholism and codependency go hand in hand in these types of relationships. Alcoholism is not called the family disease for nothing and you are and have been as caught up in this as he is. Your own recovery from this will only properly start when you have fully detached from this.

Cheeseislife · 14/01/2018 14:59

I wouldn't recommend antidepressants as he's just swapping one fix (drink) for another then isn't he? He may benefit from counselling first though I do know where I live it's a fair wait to start the appointments

AttilaTheMeerkat · 14/01/2018 15:02

"I'm going to suggest he sees another Dr about either vitamin B or anti depressants".

Stop with suggesting such things to him; let him make his own choices. You cannot and must not enable him like this, you are part of his alcoholism and you have and are playing the usual roles associated with such spouses i.e. enabler and provoker (because you never forget).

You are NOT responsible for him; thinking that you are is codependency. You and in turn your children have been caught up in his alcoholism for a long time and you need to recover from this. He was never yours to rescue and or save.

MissConductUS · 14/01/2018 15:22

I'm a recovering alcoholic with 23 years of sobriety, happily married with two kids.

I second serene12's suggestion of al-anon. It's a wonderful support group for families of alcoholics. See if they have a meeting near you:

www.al-anonuk.org.uk

The first year of sobriety is confusing and stressful for everyone in recovery. For most, there is progress towards a more balanced emotional life. I think it's fine if you want to suggest consulting his doctor again. Alcoholism is a disease. But if another doctor fails to recommend medication I think that you just have to accept that.

You're at the stage of observing his recovery where you need to practice watchful waiting. It's fine to be hopeful that he'll get better, but time will tell.

I'm sorry you've been impacted this way, and if you can possibly get support from al-anon you should really try to do so.

Eltonjohnssyrup · 14/01/2018 15:36

I wouldn't recommend antidepressants as he's just swapping one fix (drink) for another then isn't he?

This isn't true really. Anti-depressants are non-addictive and actually treat the problem and don't give you a 'high'. They return you to what other people have as normal rather than giving a high. Alcohol only temporarily masks depression with a high followed by a crushing low.

Anti depressants just aren't comparable to addictive drugs.

MissConductUS · 14/01/2018 16:12

I agree, but some of the anti-anxiety meds can be addictive.

Squeegle · 14/01/2018 16:19

I’m sorry you have been through all this. I second what the others say. Stop feeling sorry for him, stop suggesting things. He’s old enough and intelligent enough to research all these things. You have to hand over that responsibility to him. Is he trying to suggest how you improve your life? I suspect not.

I have been in a similar place to you; things only improved when I handed over all the responsibility to him.

pointythings · 14/01/2018 16:28

I think you have to disengage and let him take responsibility for his own life and his own recovery. Make your own wellbeing and that of your DC your first priority. They are things you have control over. Start by going to Al-Anon or similar to learn how to set boundaries and detach. You can only save yourself.

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