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So confused about my marriage (long, sorry)

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lulupop · 26/07/2004 19:49

I've read lots of the threads here and, whilst sorry that so many people seem to be in parallel situations to mine, feel comforted that perhaps I might find some understanding here. Hardly know where to start though. I feel so confused about my feelings towards DH. Don't know where things started to go wrong, even. He's 10 years older than me and we've been married 4 years, with 2 young children. He was married before but it ended when he left his wife for another woman (not me) and after that experience swore he'd never do anything like that again.
Before we had children, the millions of things that irritate me about him now never even occurred to me. But it seems true that it's the little things that break people up.
For ages, our sex life was crap as I wanted it a lot and he never did. He always had an excuse, like stress at work, tiredness,etc, but I felt it was stretching it to expect me to believe that all the time, and eventually ended up feeling unwanted. I am still young (in my 20s) and I try to keep myself looking OK for him, so this really hurt. Someone else, who I found incredibly sexy, started paying me attention and I had a very short fling a year ago. DH found my mobile bill and there followed a horrible episode. We went to Relate at the time and it seemed to help a bit, but I felt it was all about what I had done, and not enough about WHY I had done it. ANyway we agreed to put it behind us and try and make a go of it. Quite quickly after that I got PG (accident), agonised over what to do about it, decided we were going to stay together and so now we have a small baby and a toddler. Sex life went off again while PG.
Since baby was born, we have had a few really bad rows where DH brings up what happened last year as a sort of trump card to shut me up whenever he knows he's in the wrong and wants to put me in my place. It feels like my whole pregnancy was a sort of limbo, and suddenly we're back to where we were a year ago.

I don't fancy him at all as he's put on so much weight over the last few years. I've broached it with him and he joined a gym last year and never went once. He eats whatever he wants, whenever, and complains I don't want sex but I just don't fancy him and can;t believe that while I'm trying to get back to "normal" after the baby, he cares so little about what I think of his appearance that he can't even TRY and lose a stone or so. I realise he is unhappy too and the eating is a sign of his depression, but it feels to me like he thinks I should make all the effort while he can just adopt a "take me or leave me" attitude.
The way he brings up my fling reminds me of a really awful time for us, and although I don;t expect him to have forgotten it, surely if you WANT to move on, you don't keep bringing something up?
There are so many other irritations between us - the way he argues with me in front of the children (I try and remain silent but he keeps on niggling and niggling, even when I say "Not in front of the children", the fact he spends all weekend sitting in front of TV with DS instead of doing active things, like I'd like him to. We discuss these things and he agrees to do things differently, then carries on the same.
We've got to a point where some days I think, I don't know if I love you any more. Then other days it seems the issues are so minor and require such minimal changes from both sides, I don't know why he won't make a few changes.
I have booked a session with Relate for tomorrow and am going alone as we haven;t been able to find a babysitter. I have no idea what I want from this. Can we resolve things? Or is this dead? Do other people really stay in this state of dull resentment for years, just "for the sake of the children"? On the other hand, he;s essentially a good man and I couldn't bear to separate our children from their dad.
Don['t know what I want anyone to say really, but I'm just feeling really low and lonely and don't know which way to go at all.

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tammybear · 26/07/2004 20:00

sorry i cant offer any advise at the moment as my love life is a mess. someone else will hopefully be able to give you some. ((hugs)) xxxx

lemonade · 26/07/2004 20:12

lulupop - I'm sorry to hear of your situation. I've got to put the children to bed, but I'll come back to this thread later. l xx

ebbie22 · 26/07/2004 20:18

I too cant offer any good advice but am going through the same as you but only after a year of marrige...
Things can get better as yet we are ok{for now]...but its wether you are prepared to put up with it for the sake of ur children...Sometimes all people need is a break to find themselves again...
But whether they change or stay the same is up to the person...Does this make any sense..

Chandra · 26/07/2004 20:20

Lulupop, I'm going through the same at the moment and I'm not sure if I should continue trying or I should leave it for good. So lots of sympathy from me. {{{Many hugs{}}}}.

Sarah780 · 26/07/2004 20:38

Lulupop
I am so sorry you are going through so much c*. Firstly, your DH needs to remember that he did this also when he was married before, maybe this brings back all his guilt? Secondly, if you have a young baby, your hormones are shot to pieces, so maybe he needs to be made aware of that. Thirdly, it does sound as though he is depressed as he is just not willing to do anything about his appearance, not to mention his health, or trying to sort out his marriage. Maybe he's scared to ask you WHY you did what you did? As for the 'staying together for the sake of the children', I am one of those kids who got stayed together for and I can tell you, it was no picnic. It caused endless years of misery for both my parents and for me and my brother. When my father eventually left, it was just an enormous relief. For the most part, I think kids would rather have two happy, separate parents that two miserable ones who live together. Only you can decide whether you still love him or not. You mention that he is 10 years older than you yet you are only in your 20's which makes him in his 30's, hardly old by any means. Good luck with relate, I wish you well and hope things sort themselves out soon, one way or the other. Loads of Hugs
Sarah xx

lulupop · 26/07/2004 20:50

I'm at the end of my 20s, he's 40, but not a "young" 40 my any means. I used to look at him and think how sexy he was, and now I just think "I'd be trying a bit harder if I had a younger wife who's been with someone else a year ago". But then, he'd say he's not trying because his self-esteem is so shattered by what I did. But he was already becoming lazier and lazier long before that.
I think we both have some changes to make, but I feel that I'm willing to accept that, while he just sits back and tells me all the problems are to do with MY unhappiness and my perception of things.
Anyway just v v confused about what I want, what's best long term, and so on. Thanks for your support, it means a lot at the moment

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para · 27/07/2004 23:01

Lulupop, reading your story really moved me. You sound so incredibly unhappy and confused. I hope your Relate session helped sort your head out a bit. It sounds from what you say that in many ways he is as unhappy as you are - but he can't communicate with you clearly and creates rows instead as a way of expressing his resentment. If you could get him to a Relate session - perhaps you might get him to open up a bit. It sounds like despite all your negative feelings you want to try and sort things out but you can't expect yourself to have all the answers straight away.

lulupop · 28/07/2004 08:53

Well, had the Relate session and it went OK. I went alone and the counsellor basically established with me that we both have some areas of change to make, and that in order to be happy we both need to do those things for us, rather than for each other. I agree with this, but still think it's DH who really needs to alter his behaviour in a more radical way than me. Counsellor doesn't think he CAN change the way he reacts during arguments, for instance (very very unpleasant and vicious), so I will have to just accept it. Not sure if I can. Do you think that if you set your mind to it, you can accept anything? Should you have to? I just feel that life is a constant uphill struggle at the moment, even to maintain a small degree of goodwill between us.
Anyway, fingers crossed I will be able to persuade him to go along next time.

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3PRINCESSES · 28/07/2004 09:25

Lulu, love, don't really think I should get involved in all the deep issues in your relationship and the very thorny issue of having divorced parents (tho' mine did when I was 2, and - as the saying goes - it never did me any harm) BUT can't help myself from saying that you are just a young and lovely girl, and you have a right to be happy. Divorce is horrible. No-one would advise you to do it lightly. You are very obviously not the kind of person who would do it lightly. But you have an awful lot of life left... don't waste your best years being miserable.

Perhaps you could set the problem within a time frame - New Year/Easter/one year from now, and if things are no better, make plans for going it alone. If your DH was aware of that and still didn't change at least you would know you'd given him a fair chance.

lemonade · 28/07/2004 09:45

lulupop - Firstly, sorry for not coming back to this thread before. Secondly, I agree with 3Princesses. A timescale sounds useful as a defining point. I think (speaking as a procrastinator myself) that it needs to be fairly short but manageable. If you appear strong and willing to face a future without him if necessary, then it might shake him up a bit. He needs to make as much effort as you (if not more) in order to make things better. Take care.

lulupop · 28/07/2004 11:58

Setting a time frame does seem to be sensible - if nothing else it would make me feel I had some control over the situation. Do you think I should tell DH I had a time frame in mind? Or would this sound too much like emotional blackmail? After all, I want him to lose weight, be more active, etc because HE thinks it's important as much as for me.
I've thought about not wasting my best years being unhappy, but then on the other hand have no idea how I'd go about separating. I don't work at all and can't imagine anyone would pay me enough to cover childcare costs. Where do you even start when contemplating such a big issue?
Never thought my life would be such a mess and not even 30.

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lemonade · 28/07/2004 12:26

lulupop - I've been as unhappy as you sound and I stuck it out. That's not to say that you should do the same. I know what it's like, though, to feel that your best years are being wasted.

I don't think that a time-scale sounds like emotional blackmail. If you need to see improvements soon then it seems like the only way. After all, you've asked him often enough already, haven't you?

With regard to a possible separation: Can you check your local Citizens Advice Bureau or your library for info/books? You could also find out if your local solicitor deals with divorce and the reputation they have, fees they charge, etc. That's not to say that you should go down the route of separation/divorce, but it's better to know these things. Hth.

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