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Stuck in the middle between mother and husband.

25 replies

goodnightfeast · 05/01/2018 00:01

Long story:

DH and I separated for a while, but are now happily back together. During the separation, my ILs were open with me, encouraged me to ring/message them any time for a chat/cry/rant. They gave an open invitation for me to visit if/whenever I would like, and really kept the connection between me and them. It was really touching. I get on well with them and they're a pretty chilled family.

My parents visited recently. During the separation, they'd stay in a cottage while visiting me and the DCs. My mum always asked on the phone how DH was, sent him a birthday card, invited him along once when they took me and DCs out for tea; my dad has been beside himself with anger towards DH and has shut off.

Anyway, my parents came to see us, for the first time since DH and I got back together, and all seemed (reasonably) amicable. We all ate together, went for a walk; pretty low-level stuff, but it felt like we were all settling back into things slowly. It was pleasant enough.

On the last evening of their visit, DH was on his way out and my mum hurried after him to give him a hug and say how pleased she was that DH and I had worked things out. She followed him out of the door, he shut it behind her, and apparently gave her a massive mouthful about her and my dad ostracising him for months, staying in a cottage and not letting him go there, encouraging me to move closer to them and take the DCs away. All this with hate and fury in his eyes.

She has been mortified about this, very upset, and says she has only ever done her best for him and has always painted him as a good dad to our DCs, regardless of any reasons for the separation. Now she will not visit us because she says she does not deserve to be spoken to like that.

The thing is, I can see her point, but I can also see DH's. I have been trying hard to distance myself and to remember that they are two adults and they need to sort out their differences. I cannot be a go-between or a fucking mediator. My parents have always expected that old-fashioned thing of everyone being polite and having 'manners', my dad's fucking lifelong catchphrase is "don't contradict me", he pretends to be this pleasant and convivial, helpful person, while being a rude, snide, emotionally abusive, authoritarian bastard. Not much of a father to me at all. My mum wants things to be all lovely and is quite naive and idealistic, they are both quite snobby and were always disapproving when I was a kid - and are now starting to go that way with my beautiful DCs.

This is getting rather long. Basically, I'm feeling like I'm being backed into a corner where, to all intents and purposes, I must choose between my parents and my husband. I can see that if my DH feels they've treated him so poorly, then my mum was seriously deluded to suddenly expect a hug, fgs. My dad is apparently 'very upset' but to be honest I am on the brink of going NC with him.

Yet, my mum can only see that she is terribly upset by DH's behaviour, when ultimately he was just expressing a lot of pent-up frustration and anger and upset. She's making it about 'how could he be so rude after I've been fair to him', when I actually would like to uphold DH's right to a) have the feelings he has, and b) express them - in the situation, as a grown man, of his MIL going after him fur a hug after what he feels were several months of freezing him out (whether or not my M&D believe they did).

Such a mess. I don't want to be caught in the middle like this. I want to tell my mum that I can't just take her side. Because I can't take anyone's side. The status quo has to change.

OP posts:
Nanny0gg · 05/01/2018 00:57

I don't get it. I don't know why you separated, but surely your parents were trying to be on your side whilst still being civil to your husband?

What did he really expect from them?

Seeingadistance · 05/01/2018 01:11

I don't get it either. You haven't said what prompted the separation, but it does seem from what you say that your mother made a real effort to maintain contact with her estranged son-in-law, and since you've got back together is being positive about things.

Based on what you write here, your DH seems to be acting in a pretty nasty way, tbh.

Isetan · 05/01/2018 02:48

I don’t know the ins and outs of your separation and how much of the details your parents were privy to but just because you and your H have set the reset button, you can’t expect everyone else too do it at the same pace, it will take time. There are probably lots of reasons why your MIL was so welcoming to you during your separation but I suspect a large part of that, was probably down to access to her grandchildren. If the separation because permanent it makes a lot of sense for her to make sure that she maintained a cordial relationship with you. As you would most probably would have been the RP, your parents could distance themselves from your H without the worry of curtailed access to their grandchildren. My Ex’s Mother was and still is cordial to my face but I suspect all sorts are said about me behind my back but she’s smart enough to know that I am the key to maintaining her access to DD because her useless and absent son, isn’t.

If I was your Mum I’d be giving your H a wide berth too because he was rude and no, being frustrated isn’t an excuse to work through them by giving your Mother a mouthful. He could have said, ‘I’m not ready to hug you because of x,y and z’ but instead, he chose to bitch like a baby because your parents didn’t develop sudden amnesia about your separation.

For all your parents faults, the separation and subsequent reunification between you and your H did not happen in a vacuum and your separation impacted them too.

How much of backing your H is to do with the historical dynamics of your relationship with your parents and not wanting to rock the recently righted marital boat. How is it acceptable for your H to express his frustrated to the point of giving your Mum an mouthful but somehow your Mother is being unreasonable for being hurt by his words?

Shard1662 · 05/01/2018 03:03

I agree with pps; your DH sounds like a rude, disrespectful bully. Of course your parents were doing their best for you but your mother tried to maintain contact. It was lovely of her to go after DH and give him a hug, and horrible that he threw the gesture back in her face. If you cut off your dad, you will hurt her even more.

If DH was venting in the heat of the moment, can't he just apologise, send her a bunch of flowers or something? Even if he isn't sorry can't he just send the flowers. If he really wants to make a go of it surely he could do this for your sake, to restore the peace.

Shankarankalina · 05/01/2018 03:12

I think your H has unreasonable expectations. Setting aside your feelings for the time being, your parents are naturally protective of you and I assume only want the best for you.

Your h is taking out frustration on your parents in a way that is entirely unfair. It sounds like your parents have been quite forgiving and understanding, and are glad that you are bank together, but they cannot erase the interruption.

If it were his daughter in this situation, surely he would have done the same? Waiting, being watchful, and re-embracing if the relationship got back on track? Reasonably, what does he expect from them?

I think he is being VU, and I think he should be mollified that he is back in the fold. And he should be cognisant of your family's default setting to protect you.

In other words, he is being unreasonable and antagonistic, and berating your mother is a dick move.

SD1978 · 05/01/2018 04:22

If what you’ve written is all there is- your DH was highly unreasonable. Just because your IL’s were welcoming, doesn’t mean your parents had to be- although they sent a card and invited him out. What else did he want? He left you and your children. Your parents supported you whilst not completely blocking him off. Your mother has said she is glad you are together and receives a mouthful of vitriol. I would t visit again until he apologised either. I don’t know if you’re being supportive because you’re concerned he may leave again, but I feel he was very out of line with this. Your dad has always been the same, and obviously there was no atmosphere by what you said during the visit. What did DH expect whilst being separated? Regular calls and the red carpet? He needs to apologise.

LineysRunes · 05/01/2018 04:39

Sounds like you might have married someone very similar to your father.

Your husband has put you in this situation. What does he get out of it? It isolates you from your parents. Why did you separate?

Sorry for the rat-a-tat of questions, but there's something a bit 'off' here.

Batteriesallgone · 05/01/2018 04:51

Did you cheat, OP?

That’s the only reason I can think of why your DH would be frustrated at your Mum being all happy families after not speaking to him during the separation.

FancyThatFenceEdge · 05/01/2018 05:43

"... gave her a massive mouthful about her and my dad ostracising him for months, staying in a cottage and not letting him go there, encouraging me to move closer to them and take the DCs away..."

Not surprised your DH reacted the way he did. You parents could have stayed neutral and let you two work things out.

That they were influencing you against him and trying to make you move etc, its not hard to see why you DH is in a furious rage.

I dont think he has anything to apologise for. Your parents do - for openly trying to turn you against him. You married your DH, not your parents. And judging by what you have written here about your parents, they both sound like cunts.

Coyoacan · 05/01/2018 05:49

Another one who doesn't understand your point of view, OP? Did you keep all the pain of the separation to yourself? I do my best with my dd's relationships, but when she's split up with a bf and tells me why it is usually enough for me to loathe them. Then they make up again a while later and I do my best to put that loathing on the back burner.

But your mother sounds lovely and your dh was extremely rude.

Rodrigoandtapas · 05/01/2018 08:49

Coy, I agree, it's a strong maternal instinct to protect your child even when that child is an adult.

GlitterSparkles17 · 05/01/2018 08:49

Have to say from what you have said it sounds like your mum did reach out to him just not as much as his family did to you.

Things were going well you were all getting along, your Mum goes to cuddle him to say she’s happy your back together and he responds by having a go at her out of earshot to everyone else? That’s just nasty, he could have just kept his feelings to himself for the sake of peace, you were meant to be moving on and getting back to a good place and now he’s ruined that. Sounds like a twat.

hellsbellsmelons · 05/01/2018 08:59

Sorry but I agree with everyone else.
He was rude to your DM.
He sounds like a bully.
Your parents were just supporting you during your separation.
Something most parents would do.
I'm assuming you were left with the DC and they helped you with all that?
Do not isolate yourself from your parents.
He doesn't have to see them with you but you can go and visit them with the DC when ever you want.

Offred · 05/01/2018 09:39

I agree with lineys.

You have married a man who is like your description of your father.

I can’t see what your mum has done wrong TBH.

You DH’s feelings are childish and the way he expressed them is abusive and unpleasant.

Quartz2208 · 05/01/2018 10:36

Yep your DH had no right to do it - she did not deserve hate and fury. I agree I think you have married your Dad

What you dont say is what your DH expects to happen now he has said his piece

Cantuccit · 05/01/2018 14:47

During the separation, they'd stay in a cottage while visiting me and the DCs. My mum always asked on the phone how DH was, sent him a birthday card, invited him along once when they took me and DCs out for tea; my dad has been beside himself with anger towards DH and has shut off.

So your mum tried to keep the connection going with DH and was polite and welcoming. Your dad is
'rude, snide, emotionally abusive, authoritarian bastard'.

But your DH decided to take out all anger on your DM? Why? Because she's a woman.

What has your mum done wrong?

Sounds like your DH is a big tough man with women but quiet as a mouse with your dad.

I can't see what your mum has done wrong and I feel sorry for the way your DH has unleashed his 'hate and fury' on her and the way you are supporting him.

SeaEagleFeather · 05/01/2018 15:03

Give it time.

All of you have been through the wringer. I think your mum sounds like she was trying her best but she got the backlash of it from your husband unfairly.

Ask your husband what happened (you've only heard your mum's side so far?). If he agrees this is what happened then I do think he needs some time but then to apologise and send flowers.

If not then all you can do is stand back and hope things will get better in time. Perhaps explaining to your mum that your DH was very upset at separating and that she got the backlash. It's not acceptable, but it could be understandable.

Maybe visit them on your own for a while and then try to invite them to your home for a short cuppa and build up.

One sentance you wrote was concerning

and are now starting to go that way with my beautiful DCs

I think you have to watch this and to challenge it. At least say to your children that Gran and Grandpa have some funny ideas coming from long ago (the old class system) and we don't treat other people like that now. If possible challenge your parents at the time, though your Dad won't like it. He sounds awful actually and as though it's well worth withdrawing from him emotionally, even if you still see him.

Cambionome · 05/01/2018 15:17

I just can't understand why you are defending your dh at the expense of your dm - he sounds extremely unpleasant. He is an adult after all, and is - or should be - able to control his behaviour and emotions. The fact that he closed the door (so no one else could intervene?) and then had a massive, aggressive go at your mum, is worrying. Sad

Cambionome · 05/01/2018 15:19

Actually you sound rather passive, op - caught between two overbearing nasty men.

BackInTheRoom · 05/01/2018 15:27

@Cantuccit

'So your mum tried to keep the connection going with DH and was polite and welcoming. Your dad is
'rude, snide, emotionally abusive, authoritarian bastard'.

But your DH decided to take out all anger on your DM? Why? Because she's a woman.'

^^ THIS! With bells on!

OP, your H picked on your mum because he couldn't pick on your dad. I feel so sorry for your mum.

Offred · 05/01/2018 15:42

I don’t feel too sorry for your mum TBH. She has decided to stay married to your appalling father.

I do think though that you are surrounded by people who are not healthy. Your h’s behaviour was really unpleasant and nasty and showed a certain level of premeditation in closing the door and isolating your mum.

Your father is clearly awful and your mother continues to stay with him.

You haven’t said why you and your h split or why you got back together but this scant information does make it seem like you are repeating a similar pattern to your parents in your own marriage.

Quartz2208 · 05/01/2018 16:05

What is interesting as well is that he has ingrained you into believing that he has the right to act that way (with hate and fury) whereas actually he doesnt, he has the right to say that he feels hurt but not the way he did it

Also I agree you say your mum sent him a card, invited him out, asked after him - so what actually did she do wrong. Or is he blaming her for your dads behaviour - are you expected to do the same

pinkbraces · 05/01/2018 16:11

I think he has done a number on you, he sounds an arse. Your mum on the other hand is due an apology!

magoria · 05/01/2018 17:08

Wow your H sounds like a really nasty bit of work.

Of course your DM was trying to make your life easier after the separation. She didn't know you were going to get back with him. She was looking after her DD.

You say yourself your DM asked after him, invited him out with you, sent him birthday cards etc yet you are saying she deserved the vicious nasty abuse he threw at her. Sorry but by not saying he is wrong you are justifying his actions.

Your H is completely out of order, I can't see how you think he has any right to say this to your mother at all let alone in the manner he did.

What others say he picked on the easy target who wasn't to blame in the slightest.

Cowardly bastard.

Finola1step · 05/01/2018 17:13

Your post shouts something loud and clear..that you and your mum have married rude men.

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