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When to stop trying to make it work?

20 replies

Bettalife · 03/01/2018 21:33

Have name changed as I don't want to be outed and am sharing sensitive info. Apologies, this might be long.

I've been married to DH for 13 years (together for 16 years). We have 4 dc (10, 7, 5 and 2). I thought we were happy. Until I discovered last summer that DH had developed a gambling problem. He says it started 2 years ago when I was on my knees with pud and sleep deprivation and he started helping out with the night waking and played on his phone sat next to DC4's cot. When I first found out (I caught him playing online roulette just a few weeks after I had taken out a loan on his behalf for what he claimed was a legitimate debt and I put 2 and 2 together) I was supportive and understanding. Helped him access Gamblers Anonymous and put together a plan of how to overcome his addiction.

However, in the last 6 months I have uncovered more and more lies and deceit about money (stretching right back to when we met). The debt is in excess of £100k and he spent all our savings and the children's savings. Thank goodness pretty much all our finances (except savings and property) have always been separate or I would be in a much worse situation.

He has tackled his gambling problem and I'm pretty sure he has not gambled (except a couple of goes with "free money", which I soon put a stop to) since June. He attends GA every week and is going to counselling.

But the lying and the scale of the deception have taken their toll. I no longer trust or respect him and I think I have stopped loving him. I can't see how I can ever forgive him for betraying me, deceiving me and lying to me. And I can never trust him again, because problem gambling can only be arrested, it can never be cured.

He also seems to be in a dream world about the level of debt he is in and seems to think it will magically disappear. He earns a good wage and can cover repayments at the moment, but he refuses to consider what might happen if his income were to drop at all. I have had to prompt and push him every step of the way in getting him to acknowledge and tackle his gambling and financial problems. He has been very much of the opinion that if he doesn't gamble and repays at least the minimum each month it will all be sorted. I think he's papering over huge cracks.

He's always been very reluctant to open up to me about finances. What he earns is "his" and what I earn is mine. We've always split bills etc equally - even when I dropped to part-time. I'm fuming as I've now discovered that despite earning FIVE times what I do, he's always expected me to contribute 50% to our living expenses.

We've been to a couple of Relate sessions and I have accessed individual counselling to try and work things out. We have 4 young DCs and I'm a catholic - divorce would be a complete last resort. But, over the last few weeks I think I've come to the realisation that our relationship is probably at an end.

I even got as far as telling DH that it was over - but he begged me to give him until March to "put things right" because he doesn't want to lose me. Suddenly he wants to change. Suddenly there will be no more lies (although he's spun me that line a few times over the last 6 months!). He said he will make me love him again.

We're going back to Relate in the next couple of weeks. I just don't know at what point to admit that it really is over. The thought of divorce is very scary. It's something I never thought would happen to me. When do we stop trying and call it a day?

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Bettalife · 03/01/2018 21:35

Apologies for typos. It should be PND not pud (autocorrect strikes again).

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RandomMess · 03/01/2018 21:40

Perhaps you need the support of the counsellor to tell him it's over?

category12 · 03/01/2018 21:42

Crikey, £100K and years of lying?
Earning 5 x what you do yet expecting you to pay 50%? (Well, no wonder if he needed all that money to piss away).

I can't see how you could possibly ever trust him again (and tbh you'd be a fool to after this level of deceit over such a long period), and it's awful to try to live like that.

I think you know in your gut whether you can go on anymore.

Babyblues052 · 03/01/2018 21:46

I'm no expert but it seems to me from what youve said you already have one foot out the door and know deep down you don't want to be with him anymore. I think you need to take time and think about what you want not everyone else. Because of you continue with how things are you're going to live a very miserable life. That's not fair on you at all.

Bettalife · 03/01/2018 21:54

Thank you. You're right. I do have one foot out the door. It's just that final step is going to be the biggest and scariest I ever take so I need some outside perspective and hand holding to actually make it. There are so many unknowns and questions. The kids will be devastated. I can't even imagine what or how to break it to them.

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category12 · 03/01/2018 22:04

The dc might surprise you and they do adapt fast. I don't think you should assume they'll be devastated. Change can be scary but it's not always bad.

Bettalife · 03/01/2018 22:11

I just feel like I should exhaust every possible option for trying to make it work so I can hand on heart know that I've tried everything. I thought I had done that, but now he's saying he'll do whatever it takes, I don't know if there's still a glimmer of hope for us or if he's just stringing me along because he's scared that when I leave, his sordid secrets will come spilling out.

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category12 · 03/01/2018 22:19

Why hasn't he been doing all it takes in the last 2 years?

Babyblues052 · 03/01/2018 22:22

Do you feel a glimmer of hope or do you feel like it's a chore that you're obligated to do now he's said that?

Bettalife · 03/01/2018 22:43

Good questions. And I'm not sure I know the answers yet. I'm seeing my counsellor on Friday, so I'll have some time to explore them in depth (and without small dcs distracting me). Thanks so much for taking the time to respond.

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Egis · 03/01/2018 22:55

Maybe a few more session at relate can help you make a decision? At least you will know that you've tried everything if things don't work out.
Gambling is an addiction so it has to be treated like an illness. I've just watched molly's Game and it made me think about it again! Good luck to your family; do what's best for you and your dc.

RandomMess · 04/01/2018 07:44

You can become legally separated without going for divorce. Would protect you even more financially.

Don't stay because you feel obligated to protect him. He's had 2 years to show you he is serious about change and he hasn't made any effort really tbh.

No spirit filled Christian is going to tell you to stay whilst you continue to be financially abused.

Newrules · 04/01/2018 08:11

Is the debt still at £100k? I would get legal advice about what happens to the debt on divorce.

category12 · 04/01/2018 08:20

As long as the debt is in his name only, the op should be OK. It may have implications for shared assets tho, and if any of it is in joint names, then she's liable.

category12 · 04/01/2018 08:22

Hopefully, given he did this on the sly, it's all in his name.

Op, this behaviour of his was financial abuse.

Rangelife · 04/01/2018 08:24

Your OP is so well written, you sound so intelligent, thoughtful and wise. You also sound devastated and worn out.

I have been where you are but I had to leave because of financial and physical abuse so mine was 'easier' psychologically because his efforts to say he will change were easier to ignore because he had broken my bones. I can hear how conflicted you are.

I have 3dcs and the ride hasn't been easy at all for them, him or me but I am better out of that marriage and I'm a better mother for it.

I hope you can reach a conclusion OP that gives you something I didn't realise was so important, peace of mind. You haven't got any at the moment and you need to address this FOR YOURSELF.

Joysmum · 04/01/2018 09:10

At least the gambling is down to an addiction.

I can’t get to over the fact that he chose to remain far better off than you even when you took a hit to your career and wages to raise his children! For that alone I don’t think he’s respectful or worthy of you. What a selfish man.

Bettalife · 04/01/2018 13:54

Thanks for your kind words. I did get some legal advice when I first found out and the debt is in his name, except the loan he made me take out, which is manageable. The issues would arise if he got made bankrupt, where joint assets would be fair game. Although with dependent children in the house, we wouldn't immediately be made homeless.

I think I know what I need to do, it's just taking a little while to sink in and come to terms with it.

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Arlblaster · 04/01/2018 17:29

There’s a line between trying to improve something and giving up completely, but when you’re in up to your neck, it can be hard to see where it is. Try to step back mentally, or imagine you're a third party looking inwards.

ferando81 · 04/01/2018 20:47

Paying the minimum on loans will get him nowhere .He needs a plan to pay off the debts asap.Would he be able to sign the house over to you?If you can get him to do that ,you might feel more secure and alleviate some of the resentment and anger you feel.He should do that anyway because he's spent £100kof the families money and to protect the family against any future relapse

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