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'Phantom' friend - WWYD?

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Serenaballerina37 · 01/01/2018 21:22

I've been reading a few threads about friendships recently and I wondered what you intuitive people would do in my situation.

I would describe myself as someone who has a handful of good friends but these days they are spread across the UK / the world so I do not have many very good friends around me. We have recently also moved to a new-ish area for partner's work / schools etc so have not yet built up many friendships, which is the backdrop to the WWYD.

I've been what I thought was very good friends with a girlfriend since University, where we lived together for year. Very close, especially during the five years or so after Uni when we were single. Fast forward a decade (and some) and said friend is now a very successful banker in London. She has always been very confident, very sociable and - usually - well-liked while I have always been a bit shier and quieter.

Even when we did see a lot of each other, she always had a lot more 'good friends' than I did as she was such a social butterfly and didn't seem to like doing things on her own. However, she always referred to us as 'sisters' and we always talked about a lot of deep things that she said she felt she couldn't discuss with others. However, over time I've noticed that when we do meet up and I hear about her life it has become so different to mine, with her job in banking and the social life being very glamorous and high-powered indeed.

So my WWYD is really about the state of the friendship now and whether it is worth my while trying to continue it or whether we have just drifted and there is no point trying. I see my friend now maybe twice a year but always at her instigation. Whenever I try and get in touch with her, she blanks me until such time she is ready for a catch up which could be months later. Even though this has been happening for a while, I still find it a bit upsetting and as though I am getting her 'crumbs'. I know she has a lot of best friends but when I do see her we have a good time and I do feel close to her but then she disappears for - sometimes - many months and I can't get hold of her even if I try so it feels a bit like a phantom friendship most of the time, if that makes sense. A phantom friendship with a few good meet ups here and there where we have a lot of fun and have that shared history, etc.

It has come to a bit of a head for me over Christmas as I was trying to arrange to meet up with her to give her and her daughter some gifts but despite calling and texting a few times in early December, I never heard anything back. It makes me feel like a bit of a sad case, to be honest!!

I am not a particularly 'fake' person so would struggle to continue to be blase about not really being in contact with said friend apart from whenever she fancied it. I think this is bothering me because it's been going on so long I feel I need to clear some space in my life for some new close friends who are available. Shall I just stop trying and return the gifts! Or consider her less of a friend but respond if and when she gets in touch? WWYD?

OP posts:
Comekittykitty · 01/01/2018 21:34

I am very like your friend, I feel sad reading about your feelings now. I have a busy life with kids, work, an old house and animals and sports etc so i tend to live very in the moment. When I’m with my friends I am one hundred percent there but when I’m gone I can take a few days or months to message back. I’m so bad at it but I have never managed to change.

Is there a chance you could write her a letter or speak to her face to face when you next meet? If a good friend let me know she felt as you do then I would change my slovenly ways to avoid hurting her.

ShinyStella · 01/01/2018 21:35

Hi OP, I think you should return the gifts and treat yourself to something with the money. If / when this 'friend' gets in touch to meet up then only do so if it suits you and you decide that you want to at the time. Hold back on making any further contact with her until then.

I think you are worth more than the way she is treating you, it only takes seconds to send a text for example. Put yourself first from now on. Thats my advice, for what it's worth

Serenaballerina37 · 01/01/2018 21:43

Thanks for the replies, they are helpful.

Comekittykitty - I think the friend has moved on to be honest and that's fine isn't it our lives change, new people and challenges etc and if you are very very busy you live in the now, as you said. I also wonder what we have in common 'now' as we used to have so many shared topics of conversation etc etc then but now I hear about people I don't know too well and about banking stuff which I know nothing about!

Shiny Stella - yes I think I will do this, return the gifts. I think our friendship means / meant more than the way she treats it now, I agree. Definitely time to put myself first and mentally move on in that mode. Thank you.

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JulesandFools · 01/01/2018 21:52

Hi. Interesting one isn't it? I would return the gifts too. If/when friend gets in touch then YOU decide whether you want to meet. You can still have a clear out but it doesn't mean that you don't have to see her again.

I'm having a 'clear out' of friends. I've never done it before but I use up too much brain space worrying/thinking about the friendships.
Hope all goes well

Serenaballerina37 · 01/01/2018 22:03

Yes JulesandFools it is good to think about whether these friendships are still serving us or whether our gut is telling us to move away and move on. I think when a situation arises - like this one - that does get a bit upsetting you have no choice but to move away in a bit of a quiet way without causing a scene or making any big declarations...

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NoCanoe · 02/01/2018 04:08

I'd send the gifts to them. You bought them for them so I'd still say they meant for them.
Then I'd be ....oh so hard to get in touch with .....if she even tries.
Depending on her response, I'd make a decision then

SofaSofaOnTheFloor · 02/01/2018 04:41

Definitely take the gifts back and buy something nice for yourself. If she knew you were trying to give her gifts then that is even ruder.

If she has the social skills to be a successful banker and move in those circles, I'm sure she has the skills to let you down gently by saying that she's incredibly busy but could you fix a date for the summer etc. I guess she has moved on - put things on the back burner for now and meet new, nice people.

alltheworld · 02/01/2018 05:00

I have somethings similar with a couple of friends. One v rich introduced me to her family as her very good friend and then dropped me.
Another always too busy to meet and says oh dayside too busy so I suggest an evening but that’s no good etc. When we do meet we get on really well. So I have just left it with a text to say she is always welcome but just to let me know when.
Ball in her court and no more headspace for me!

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