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In laws and ex seem to be turning my son against me

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RabbitFoodist · 29/12/2017 20:33

My son was born to me and my ex in another EU country of which we were both nationals. To cut a long story short I left to return to UK with our child when it became clear that my ex would not stand up to his parents who wanted to rule over us both. I expected us to form a new family unit with him as an adult husband and father. His family were overbearing and saw us both as subordinate and that they should have a greater say in our son's upbringing than me and my ex. it resulted in violence on one occasion (from his parents) he said nothing to them about this and acted like nothing had happened. I lost all respect for him because, sorry to be old fashioned, it was like having another child. I expected give and take, but I felt he was always leaning on me regarding issues with his parents, childcare and financial issues. Saying he agreed with x, y and z and then just never taking action. I did all the driving and shopping, housework and the majority of the childcare. We had major financial issues come to a head when he had failed to register as self employed, saying he would for months, and I applied for income support. Trouble is he was working self employed on the quiet so I had to cancel my application because they wanted to see his bank statements. I always did everything by the book, he and his family thought this was stupid and giving away money. I said, do as you see fit but if you are connected to my business then you must also go by the book. When this happened I stopped him being a partner in my business. Still I stayed and tried to make it work even after the violence from his parents. I eventually believed that he would never change and that everything he said to me was to keep the peace and not his true opinions. I just can't find a guy like that attractive and I can't live like that.
Our son lives with me now in the UK.
We keep in touch over Skype every night with his Dad. My son visits his Dad for all the school holidays except 2 weeks in the Summer and we take it in turns for our son to be with us for birthdays and Christmas.

I never said anything until now on Mumsnet, but this issue has really stumped me.
Our son has recently started crying hysterically on return to me ( I go over and collect him) saying that he is not going back home to his cold bed. He has only once said at home that he was cold at night and come into my bed.
I am suspicious that he's doing this to get attention and please my ex's family. They suggest he may be too afraid to say it to me. He goes to bed wearing pyjamas and has a thick duvet. So why wouldn't he come into me at night more often.
I am paying for family counselling now (ex doesn’t see the point as apparently it's all my fault so no financial contribution) to try to improve matters between us in bringing up our son.
The counsellor can't understand why I wasn't wracked with guilt on leaving my ex. I did feel guilty because his son lived further away now and he had to either move over here or have consequently less contact. But I explained two things, one I gave him so many second chances and waited so long I finally had to take action to move forward.... And two, I decided a long time ago never to allow other people to control me with guilt manipulation (ex's family culture is big on this)
It's a long tangled Web but...
Not sure if I need to face up to my dark side or if the counsellor is just not getting me
Not sure how to best approach bringing up our son without him being involved in a tug of war between the two countries and two families
Arghh
And the cold bed? Trip to the doctor? Check him in the night?

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NerNerNerNerBATMAN · 29/12/2017 20:52

Sounds like you had a lucky escape from your ex, well done OP!

How old is your son?

I think the cold bed is a red herring to be honest, is there something else going on?

Do I read it correctly that your ex makes no financial contribution to support his child? If not, then why?

Skype every evening sounds a lot, whose benefit is this for? Similar re school holidays, that doesn't give you and your son much downtime together.

RabbitFoodist · 29/12/2017 21:28

Thanks for your reply and reading my huge outpouring Batman
My son is 5
My ex does pay child maintenance
He doesn't pay towards the family counselling.

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RabbitFoodist · 29/12/2017 21:33

Whoops I forgot Batman
Yes the school holidays thing is not good. I agree. I work fulltime too so we get probably 15minutes of attentive time together on week nights and a full day at the weekends. The other day I am trying to get the house reasonably tidy, get the shopping in, get him to do his homework etc
I have made agreements with him after a long protracted time trying to get a divorce. Finally going that way, I give a minimum of 8 weeks a year for him to visit Dad

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ChickenMom · 30/12/2017 05:50

I’d suggest finding another counsellor who does understand you. The cold bed sounds like something they say to him while he’s with them and it’s made him scared!

Angelf1sh · 30/12/2017 09:25

Presumably they’re from a warmer EU country? If so it’s possible they’re saying stuff about it being cold when he goes home. Does it only happen for a few days after he gets home or is it ongoing? Can you buy an electric blanket?

I can’t say that family counselling sounds worth it to me, especially not with a counsellor who seems to be trying to guilt trip you for not feeling guilty about ending your relationship! If I were you I’d save myself the money and instead spend more than 15 minutes a night with my child. If the pair of you have attachment problems then I’d say that was the cause of it. 15 minutes is clearly insufficient time to bond with a child who is probably quite unsettled about moving countries and missing family. Gain back the time wasted with a useless counsellor and spend it with your kid instead.

RabbitFoodist · 30/12/2017 20:09

Angelfish
Presumably they’re from a warmer EU country?
Nope
Does it only happen for a few days after he gets home or is it ongoing?
He only says to my ex and his family. He says to them in front of me when dropped back into my care. No mention when we get home or in intervening periods.
Can you buy an electric blanket?
I could but he actually sweats in the bed. I would rather use the hot water bottle we already have and he never asks for, but yes, addressing the issue and making checks changes is needed. Agreed
If I were you I’d save myself the money and instead spend more than 15 minutes a night with my child.
I am physically with him between 6pm and 8pm bedtime. This is his story time. As I work fulltime he is looked after until 6pm and then we get home about 6.30pm, have dinner. Talk on Skype with Dad around 30minutes and then begin bedtime routine.
I could either change my job, as is my ambition but for various financial reasons it's not such a no brainer. I definitely could seriously argue for reduced Skype time and make it less frequent and more engaging ie 2 or 3 times a week. This section of your reply was my least favourite part to read. At least I know I am capable of feeling guilty. Very important but obvious area to look at which I seem to have glossed over as I see my job as my way eventual way out of this less than ideal situation. Wish I had there where-with-all to homeschool. But that's another contentious issue! Only so many I can consider in one day... And I said I'd never put him in a nursery when he was born, now look at usHmm

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RabbitFoodist · 30/12/2017 20:11

Chickenmom
I just want to get on better with his Dad so we don't f### him up. But, yes, I am starting to agree

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