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Help me leave this man

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ChickenOrEgg6 · 24/12/2017 06:39

I know I should leave. He's horrible, abusive and he puts me at risk. I'm terrified to sleep next to him.

But it's really not as simple as going and never looking back, I wish.
I'm in a foreign country and my visa is tied to him. I have 2yrs until I can stay in my own right.
I can't just up sticks and go back home (Britain) as much as I'd like to for several reasons.
I have no support there
I have no recourse to state help nor can I engage in study there (unless I self fund, which I can't afford.)
Finding a job is difficult as I have never had a job and I have no qualifications. I would need a lot of help and I'd like to study, too. But that's not going to happen anytime soon.
In addition to the above we have 1 child and another on the way. Which means if I attempt to leave the country I could be in hot water. I'll be in even hotter water if I succeed but I'm not sure how successful he'd be in getting us back. I have engaged with women's aid and they've advised they can't help with funds, the waiting list for a refuge at the moment is 1-2 months (in the place I last had a connection with - I'm told this is a short wait time compared to some other places) but I don't have anywhere I could go for that time. Unless I pay for hotels, but that's an expense i will have great difficulty meeting as all money I'll have to siphon from the family accounts without him noticing.
Women's aid have also advised they could put me in touch with a food bank and some other food related agencies but "aren't sure" if I could access any funds.

So far my options are looking like this, in no particular order.

  1. Leave but remain in the country. Immigration finds out we've split, my visa is cancelled and I must leave in a certain period they specify case by case (generally 2-4weeks). I leave without my child. An option technically. Not one I'll undertake without kicking and screaming.
  1. I get what I can, probably about £1200-1500 GBP (flights for myself+ 1 dc will be approx £900) without him noticing. Book a flight and run. Hope to God I can figure it all out on the other side.
I'm terrified of this because I don't want my child/children (pregnant with number 2 right now) on the streets or starving in a refuge. Women's aid have made no assurances that they would be able to offer me basic conditions (by that I mean food, water and a secure roof. I don't care about luxuries or cash in my hand) only that if I can't access those things my child/children will be temporarily placed in foster care so their needs can be met (heartbreaking but understandable and not something I ever want).
  1. I wait out the 2yr period, leave but remain in the country. Limited recourse to public funds but in that time I could raise about £10,000gbp (figures in pounds for ease of writing) and live in a refuge here.
  1. I wait out the 2yr period and leave the country, returning to the UK with about £10,000. This puts me in a stronger situation with regards to studying, getting a career etc. but similar outcome to 3.

Any advice, suggestions, things to look into, experiences of this. All welcome.

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twofloorsup · 24/12/2017 06:52

Are you entitled to live in the uk ?
Surely if you are here and homeless there must be some help available if you have children ?

Sorry I don't have much information but definitely think you need to get away.

Legally can he make you return the child to the country you're in ?

hevonbu · 24/12/2017 06:54

You seem to outline option 4 as the one you've already unconsciously chosen for yourself, along the lines of "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush", aiming for the possible two birds in the bush, so to speak.

Are you in danger of being subject to "honour" activities? This is important.

fannythrobbing · 24/12/2017 06:56

This sounds like an awful situation OP. If you're terrified to sleep next to him you need to get out as soon as you can - waiting 2 years can't be an option, that's no way to live.

Are you a British citizen/hold dual nationality? If so why wouldn't you have access to state help upon your return?

Here's an FCO leaflet does anything in here help:
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachmentdata/file/584047/FCOOBritsAbroaddweb130117.pdf

If you can safely do so, consider speaking to a consular official to understand your rights further, they may be able to help.

ChickenOrEgg6 · 24/12/2017 06:58

Not in danger of any "honour" activities.
Sorry, no I really haven't picked anything. I'm struggling to pick a plan and stick to it.
I'm entitled to live in the UK. I'm a British citizen. I still won't be entitled to welfare, council housing, student finance, etc. for a period of time (several months for welfare, I'd have to claim in advance do a residence test then wait months to be paid, not sure on council housing but "one year" seems to be the norm though it varies by council, 3yrs for student finance).

He would have the right to try to bring the children back but I'm not sure how easy that would be for him or crucially, if he would bother.

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Faroutbrussel · 24/12/2017 06:59

Are you absolutely sure that immigration would cancel your visa and expect you to leave the country when you are the mothe if a citizen if that country and that they would expect you to leafe baby there? This seems wrong to me, do you mind me asking which country?

Faroutbrussel · 24/12/2017 07:01

Please excuse typos I am not used to predictive text, hope you can understand my previous post

user1483387154 · 24/12/2017 07:02

Be careful. I am in a similar situation and received legal advice and advice from British embassy.
If your child was born in the other country and you take your child to the UK without his consent the police can forcibly take your child back and you can be charged with kidnapping.
You will not be entitled to housing help as will have been classed as making yourself homeless unless you have proof of violence.

ChickenOrEgg6 · 24/12/2017 07:04

I don't feel comfortable stating my current location (yes I'm paranoid, it's also why I don't want to give dc age gender etc, but he's caught me on forums before).
I'm sure my visa would be cancelled. In exceptional circumstance (ie, partner died) there can be exceptions made but that isn't included if a breakup has happened even for DV.
If I was deported I wouldn't be able to try to just take my dc and go and hope I stay under the radar long enough to get out of the country and just taking them without H's consent would land me in legal hot water I could be prevented from leaving if the alarm is raised, so to speak. So it's a huge risk and not one I'd get away with chancing if I'm being deported, that changes the ballgame.

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ChickenOrEgg6 · 24/12/2017 07:08

Answering questions as quickly as I can.
The reason for not being eligible for council housing isn't making myself homeless (I guess that could be a factor) but more as a returning resident to the UK you're essentially treated as a migrant until you can satisfy the habitual residence test and even then there's a period of time until eligibility for most things.

I have received advice from
A refuge here
Women's aid
Immigration solicitor (with regards to what would happen if I Left him but remained in the country)
Tried to contact the embassy last week but they were as useful as a chocolate teapot (put on hold then hung up on twice and gave up after 40 minutes because H was due home and I had to make sure there was no evidence of my call) but will try again. I can't get to the embassy in person.

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hevonbu · 24/12/2017 07:21

Surely you have some second cousin or other distant relative you could contact in a worst-case situation? Old school friends? You're now outside of the EU by all accounts, the "visa" clearly gives it away. Would you need your husband's/guardian's permission to exit the country? It sounds as if you're in a "Not Without My Daughter (film)"-situation, by the sound of it all.

ChickenOrEgg6 · 24/12/2017 07:23

The only people I was friends with in school are the sort of people you wouldn't call upon in an emergency.
I'm NC with my fathers side of the family due to abuse.
My mother is dead and was NC with her family, so I'm not in a position to ask for their help. I don't even know their names or where they live except for maybe a 40 mile radius approximation,
I have no siblings.
I don't need his permission to leave but I do need his permission to (legally) remove our child/ren from the country. I could be in legal hot water if I leave the country without his consent.
I've never heard of the film "not without my daughter" but the name gives it away I think.
I'm happy to say I'm outside of Europe. I'm just trying to be careful.
It didn't end well last time.

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ChickenOrEgg6 · 24/12/2017 10:40

He'll be home soon.
I'm not going to be able to mn while he's here.
I'll check in tomorrow.

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