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So worn down and fed up

42 replies

ColdAndSad · 04/12/2017 09:47

I can’t do this anymore.

My son rolls his eyes and complains whenever I ask him to do anything around the house. And even then he does the bare minimum, and has to be reminded several times to even put the dishes away.

He goes out every night, in the car we bought for him, and complains when I ask him to do anything to help clean and tidy the house. We have mice in the house and his bedroom is badly infested because he takes food in there and leaves it lying around, but he won’t sort it out. He interrupts and argues with me whenever I ask him. He has learned this from my husband, who is often very dismissive of me.

Neither of them make any effort to tidy up after themselves. They bring things into the house, put them down, and rarely put them away. They never tidy up or clean unless I ask them to do specific things, and then they only do them after several requests and several reminders.

We bought our house many years ago and it’s still a building site. Three years ago, my husband got builders to strip the plaster from the hallway walls the week before Christmas and it's still all unplastered. Four years ago, we bought a stair carpet which has still not been put down because my husband insists we need to do other building work first so we have bare stairs. I used to try to get builders in to do things but my husband was critical of them, and blamed me when things went wrong with them. I couldn’t stand the shouting so now I leave it to him—and nothing happens.

The house is huge, and every room is full of mess and untidiness and dirt. I can’t stand it. A month ago I told my husband and son that I wasn’t going to do anything for Christmas unless they stepped in and helped me clean and tidy so it was nice. They have done nothing. I reminded them both on Saturday and they looked blankly at me. My son has since done nothing. My husband put the kitchen bin out yesterday and scooped out the cat litter tray while I was out, but only because I asked him.

Last year my husband pushed me into agreeing to remortgage our house in order to buy a business that he said would make us hundreds of thousands of pounds every year. We bought the business but he has done nothing with it in the year since (it involves heavy manual labour, which is beyond me, otherwise I’d do it). It has earned us very little. I don’t know how much because he makes excuses when I ask him.

Yesterday I went to the optician to get my glasses adjusted and they told me I might be losing the sight in one eye. I came home and told my husband and he didn’t even comment.

My husband snores very badly when he drinks. He now sleeps in another room away from me, because he’d rather drink and snore than remain sober and sleep with me. He’s drunk almost every night but denies it and gets angry with me whenever I try to speak to him about it. He shows signs of alcohol dependency (sweating heavily in the mornings, hands shaking, looking pale). He drinks at least four times the maximum recommended amount, usually more, and he drinks every night, but insists he doesn’t drink too much. Three times in the last year he’s pissed himself in the bed at night, and not even noticed. He denied it when I told him last time, and got angry with me for washing the bedclothes and cleaning up after him. He said he wants to see evidence of it next time it happens. He obviously doesn’t believe me that it’s happening.

I cannot bear the mess and squalor in our house. I really can’t. The entrance hall is caked with mud from everyone’s boots (we live in a farm). There are coats all over the place, and shoes and boots. Tools all over the floor. There’s a generator, a workshop heater, and lengths of cast iron guttering in the entrance hall which my husband put there over a year ago and hasn’t moved since. I have panic attacks when I think of how much work there is to do, and how little help I have with it. I want it to be nice for Christmas, as our eldest will be coming home from university. It wasn’t so bad when he was at home because he would help me clean and tidy. I am going to have to tell him not to come home because of the state of everything, because I am going to stick to my guns and not do anything until my husband and younger son put some effort into cleaning—and I know they won’t.

We have had numerous discussions over the years about how things have to change, how I can’t live like this anymore, and they always end up with me in tears and my husband shouting. The only time he didn’t end up shouting at me he went downstairs and told my son he wasn’t going out and had to help with cleaning because I was upset. They swept out the hallway and tidied it up a bit (ignoring the guttering, heater and generator), and that was that. Nothing else happened, and nothing changed.

I feel like driving off to a hotel somewhere and not coming back until it’s done, but I know my husband will just be angry with me if I do. And that they’ll not do anything to the house anyway. I will just come back to a house which will be even worse than it is now, because they’ll not do anything while I’m gone.

And I can’t even leave him because we can’t sell the house as it’s in such a state no one will buy it. And if we sell it, we lose the business we’ve invested in so heavily (it’s in our outbuildings, lots of heavy machinery that can't be moved easily). And if we don’t sell the house, I can’t afford to live anywhere else.

Also we earn money through the companies we own. We are paid minimum wage, and then get dividends. I am certain that if I leave my husband he will be difficult about paying maintenance, because he controls the companies and has made sure I am not very involved. I am in my late fifties and in poor health and gave up my career to bring up our children and move to the country, where I’ve become more and more isolated and friendless (I can’t invite friends here because it is so awful and couldn’t work in the industry I trained for because it only exists in London).

I just don’t know what to do. I can’t see a way out and even if there were one, I’d be alone and friendless and homeless, with no money and no chance of working. I don’t know what to do. I just know I can’t do this anymore.

OP posts:
Cleavergreene · 06/12/2017 23:53

Your husband isn’t motivated to change because he feels he doesn’t need to. Your "complaining" is just white noise, as it is to your son. Until you impact on them in some way, nothing will change. You can talk, cajole, discuss....whatever....nothing will change.

If you want change, you’ll need to drive it in some way. Or make an impact on there lives.

Some suggestions:

....don’t care for your sons car....don’t register it...don’t insure it...don’t pay for petrol.

Don’t shop....don’t cook...until son stops eating in his room. Make meals just for you. Fuck hubby until he sobers the fuck up.

Throw shit out....make a deadline....I’d shit ain’t cleaned....get a dumpster and dump the shit lying around.

That sort of thing.

Btw....I feel for you OP. It must feel horrible feeling powerless and not respected.

Oliversmumsarmy · 07/12/2017 10:28

I am going to talk to them tonight, and tell them once again how I feel, and say that if they don't sort out the house in the next couple of weeks they will HAVE to sort it out in the new year because we'll be selling it

If they won't sort it out just so you can live in it they are not going to sort it out just to sell.

Tell them it will be sold in the NY if it isn't sorted.
Your dh can have umpteen businesses but if he is drinking to the extent you say nothing is going to get done on anything.

Deathraystare · 08/12/2017 11:00

He has learned this from my husband, who is often very dismissive of me.

Bingo! This is what happens when you allow a partner to be this way with you. He now has a 'mini me' in the shape of your son who you have allowed to walk all over you. Stop washing his clothes and providing meals and get your respect back pronto!

Todayfrustratingday · 08/12/2017 11:12

Can you book yourself a trip away somewhere over Christmas or stay at a friends' house for a night or two?

Your DH sounds a difficult man.

I have similar but not as severe as you when it comes to living in a building site. I have ceilings unmade, walls without the plaster, floors that are covered in unfixed, sockets that don't work, lights that work intermittently etc. I have allowed it to go n for too long. He says he's going to do it when he has the time...........he says he's going to do it when he has his next day off work (rest day).......... he says he doesn't want to 'get someone in' cos they won't do it to his acceptable standards. You see the pattern. I have called it time and said that he pays me no attention. He says he doesn't like being told what to do. Anyhow, back to your situation. I would not advise you to accept this lot in life. Could you write a list of the absolute biggest concerns/issues indoors/in the house that really are the hugest and you're unable to cope with? and then consult each other about how the first one can happen. Don't put pressure on yourself to have a 'perfect Christmas'. In December, every year, the whole of the UK seems to wind down and go to office/works drinks etc, food shopping, gift shopping etc. Builders, painters and the like don't want to take on estimates and new project 2 weeks before Christmas. In my house I have made my mind up that I will get a plasterer round to price up the work whether my DH likes it or not. Our MH is more important than anything.

Blackteadrinker77 · 08/12/2017 11:16

When was the last time you did something fun with your DS & DH?

It sounds like all you have done for years is shout or nag at each other.
My DS (Age 19) does nothing in the house off his own back. But if I ask him to do anything he does it with out complaining.
Every Sunday is family day, DD1 & 2 and their partners come round, we eat together, have a few drinks, play board games or poker. Just laugh and enjoy each others company.
It builds a bond and respect.

Change tact, spend some quality time with them, they will be far more inclined to listen when you are relaxed and happy.

ColdAndSad · 01/10/2020 23:41

I didn't post in this thread again because Blackteadrinker77's comment that things might improve if I stopped nagging and was nice to everyone was so upsetting. Talk about victim blaming.

But today I was sorting out my old laptop, and this thread appeared in the history, so I thought I'd give you all an update.

In July 2018 I discovered that my husband had committed a fraud worth more than £70k. When I confronted him about it he seemed proud to have done it. I was horrified. He promised to make everything right but did nothing apart from drink even more.

He left me in July 2019. His earnings immediately dropped to less than 10% of what they had been before he left, and I knew he was hiding money from me.

Our GP was thrilled when she heard he'd left: she said she'd been worried about me for years, and that she thought he was a psychopath.

I filed for divorce, and he insisted on then applying to the courts to get a financial settlement. I'd made him an offer, which he ignored. We've now finally reached an agreement but because of his delays we are going to have to pay huge amounts of capital gains tax, and my legal costs alone were over £15k. My solicitor has said that if he'd accepted my offer last Christmas he'd now have £10k less than he's agreed to have, but I'd have had £300k more. I have no doubt he only insisted on going through the courts to cost me money. And we've all been so stressed--my sons have been miserable (and my youngest, who still lives at home, has transformed into the most wonderful man since his dad left, and has done nothing but help and support me, bless him).

It has been very difficult reaching this point. He has done everything he could to make trouble for me. I've had men turn up at the house and threaten me, the house has been vandalised, I've been assaulted, all sorts. It's been awful. But that's not the worst of it.

After he left I discovered numerous bank accounts he'd opened in my name, which I knew nothing about; when I took control of them (they were in my name after all) he was furious. I was told by the bank that his actions amounted to identity theft and fraud, but I foolishly decided against pressing charges against him over that.

I then found out he'd committed another fraud, and then another, then another... I've now found evidence of multiple frauds going back more than ten years.

More worryingly, I have found that he's been committing fraud through several businesses owned by one of his clients--a very dodgy man who has been in prison for fraud.

I have of course reported it all to the police. And the police have done nothing at all to help me. In fact, they've failed to hand things on to the relevant agencies (sorry, being vague here for obvious reasons), have asked me if I'm sure I want to report it all as I will get prosecuted too (I won't be--I can prove I had nothing to do with it) and have told me that I'm making it all up because I'm angry my husband has left me. It's been so bad that my solicitor is convinced my local police force is accepting back handers from my husband and his client.

When I realised the police weren't going to investigate the frauds I wrote out a report of all I'd uncovered, and sent it off to the agency which had to investigate (not the police force). They have since told me they suspected that the frauds were happening but couldn't prove how, or who was doing it; I've not only proved it all, but I've also shown that the fraud is much bigger than they thought. It's tied in with a grant scheme and is worth hundreds of millions of pounds, potentially. I've been told it's one of the biggest frauds ever uncovered in the UK.

My husband doesn't yet know that he's being investigated. So we're now selling the house, and I hope to get free and clear before he's arrested. Coronavirus has delayed the investigation, which has proved to be very helpful for me. He has hidden a huge amount of money from me, and no doubt thinks he's been very clever; but as soon as he's arrested all his assets will be frozen, and he will lose everything to the Proceeds of Crime Act. If I can get the house sold before then, and get my share of it separated from his, then it's highly likely I'll be able to keep my share of it.

It has been a horrifically difficult year, as you can imagine. But it's been just bloody wonderful to be here without him; and to see my sons both becoming wonderful, kind, thoughtful men. They've barely seen their dad in the 15 months since he left. He just doesn't seem interested in them, and they aren't sure they want to spend time with him now they know what he's been up to (and they don't know it all, it's just too much to go through with them). So despite his hiding all the money from me, and doing his best to make things as difficult as possible, he's actually done me a huge favour, because my sons now see him for who he really is.

It's early days yet. I have bad times, still. But overall, it's such a relief to be rid of him, and his nastiness. And when I do have bad days, I just imagine him getting locked up and I feel instantly better. There's a good chance, I think, that he'll be found dead in a ditch somewhere before it all goes to court, because of the people he's involved with, and that will be sad; but I will be fine, and so will my boys be. Things can only get better from now on.

OP posts:
OneFootintheRave · 02/10/2020 00:51

Wow. What an update and yes, what a shitty victim blaming comment from @Blackteadrinker77

It sounds like you have been very brave and that there is light at the end of the tunnel. Hang in there Thanks

CookieDoughKid · 02/10/2020 03:25

I think you are an amazing woman. Very brave too and a wonderful mother. It sounds like you’re not far from concluding all this mess. Focus on selling the house. Hang in there and thank you for your update. It will help many others too.

Shakespearsister · 02/10/2020 04:59

I don't wish to appear alarmist but you should be mindful of your personal security.

mallorytower · 02/10/2020 05:17

Keep going OP and make sure you are safe. You need a big dog and alarms id say. If you’re right about who he’s involved with!

ColdAndSad · 02/10/2020 08:48

@Shakespearsister

I don't wish to appear alarmist but you should be mindful of your personal security.
I know--a few weeks ago three men came to the house, barged their way in, and assaulted and threatened me. I no longer open the door to unexpected visitors.

The police have warned me that I might have to go into witness protection before anyone's arrested, and that my sons will have to as well as they could be used to get to me. So I'm sort of preparing for that too.

And thank you, @CookieDoughKid. I don't feel like an amazing woman, I just feel frightened and anxious and out of my depth. All I've been doing is getting up each morning and doing what ever is in front of me. Things are a lot better now than they were a year ago, and I've learned a huge amount about company law, fraud, and money laundering (did I mention that my ex was using one of the bank accounts he set up in my name to launder money? At least £70k over two years). I'm keeping detailed notes, as you can imagine. And a couple of my friends, who work in publishing, have told me I should consider writing a memoir because it's such an incredible story. So I'm considering that too.

Anyway, thanks for your kind comments, everyone. I am so looking forward to this wreck of a house being sold, and moving somewhere he can't find me. And I'm looking forward to him being arrested. That thought keeps me going on the darker days, I can tell you!

OP posts:
user1471538283 · 02/10/2020 17:54

I would tell your DH that the house is going on the market finished or not and you are leaving. Hopefully there is some equity but even if you break even or lose a bit it would be worth it. This is no way to live and your life is too short. I know it's scary but its got to be better than this. Your younger child can choose who he lives with. For Christmas I'd take the children to a hotel somewhere. Also you need to understand the finances so you can make sure you get your share. One day soon you will have your own lovely home even if its rented away from this

user1471538283 · 02/10/2020 17:58

Oh my goodness I do apologise I hadn't clocked your update. You've been incredible! I am sure you will be even happier very soon

CookieDoughKid · 02/10/2020 18:36

coldandsad I would buy your book so you got one customer already. People buy wrecks. You will get it sold don't fret (too much)Flowers

Lovestoned · 02/10/2020 20:59

@ColdAndSad I would like to read your memoir too. Chapter two of your life will be relatively amazing, please focus on that, and as others have posted - take great care.

Iloveme30 · 02/10/2020 21:12

Life is too short . I totally understand and feel so sorry for you. Just leave . Your are being treated like an animal . Leave the lot and start again . It can be done you'd be better off living in a clean little bed sit on your own than stuck with them . I guarantee your health will improve massively out of that hellhole . I'm really sorry your going through this you sound lovely 😊. Please just go . Find the courage and leg it . This is Your life !!! We only get one xxxxx

Shizzlestix · 02/10/2020 21:25

Wow, you are one fabulous woman! Get the house gone, that’ll be a huge relief. Definitely get writing, what a story!

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