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I don't know if I'm overreacting but am hurt and angry

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veryveryhurt · 22/07/2004 11:17

I'm not sure where to start with this really and have changed my name. Not looking for sympathy, but a sense of proportion IYKWIM.

Me and dh are having a particularly difficult time at the moment. We have had an enormous amount of strains on our relationship since we married, involving illness, bereavements etc which are far too complicated to go in to here.

Anyway, we've managed to battle our way through all this and are still together (also have had 2 small children in that time).

I know everyone has rows and arguments, but I feel that recently things have gone too far. Things dh has said and done in the last few weeks have really affected the way I feel about him.

I need to say here that I am by no means perfect, and can be a moody so and so if he has upset me.

A few weeks ago during a row (about DIY and money), he called me a stupid c**t.

He has NEVER spoken to me like that before. I was really shocked and hurt. Eventually he apologised and said it was because I "push him too far".

I know its only words, but it took me a while to get over him saying this, and made it clear that he was not to speak to me like that again, no matter how angry or frustrated he is.

Things settled down again until yesterday. Another row, which started because he had promised to fix the phone line (he had cut it by accident working in the garden at the weekend) and 3 days later he still had not done it, so I tried to tell him it was causing me problems (mobile reception very poor so couldn't really use that).

Anyway, an argument ensued and I told him he was manipulative, because he tends to take the stance that problems arise because I make unreasonable demands on him (eg ask him if he is going to fix the phone line which he said he would do the day before).

He then came right up to my face and sort of snarled at me about not being manipulative, whilst pushing me back with his body IYSWIM.

He then told me I was a "dirty cow" and a f
useless lump.

At this point I lost my sense of reason and lashed out at him, thumping his arm a few times. Feel very ashamed about this as its inexcusable to use violence. Being stronger than me, he was able to restrain me.

I kind of dissolved into tears at this point, and he went to get stuff to fix the phone line (he had told me he had everything he needed to do it already and it was relatively straightforward).

When he came back, I was still very upset. He then told me that he called me a dirty cow because I smelt of urine and had done for months. He was being very "matter of fact" as he said it, as if this was perfectly acceptable.

He claims to have told me about this "problem" months ago, but as I still smell, that's why he called me a dirty cow. Apparently, I smell of it in bed and its a ploy of mine to keep him away from me.

I was mortified by all this and rang my sister in quite a state as I needed someone to talk to. Among other things, she told me I do not smell of urine and never have done. She also said the fact that our youngest sleeps in with us (still a baby), could account for any urine smells, given that babies wear nappies.

I can't bear to look at my dh. I went out to the cinema on my own last night so I didn't have to sit with him, plus I slept on the sofa last night.

Am I being over-sensitive. I feel very hurt and humiliated.

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boudicca · 22/07/2004 11:25

no way are you being oversensitive-what gives him the right to speak to anyone like that???
I would feel just as you do(and would/have probably have reacted in a far less reasonable way than you have.

hercules · 22/07/2004 11:25

OMG. Shocked for you. Was he saying this to hurt you and get back at you? How is your relationship otherwise?

hercules · 22/07/2004 11:26

Sounds like you were both getting very upset and need to talk it through when calm.

Fio2 · 22/07/2004 11:28

Was this out of charchter for him to behave like this? Do you think stress is making his personality change?

angelpoppet · 22/07/2004 11:30

So, so sorry for you. (Big hugs)

I would never let anyone speak to me that way, esp my husband.

What are you doing sleeping on the sofa - tell him to get there, he is the one causing this bad feeling and I'm sure he'd prefer it as he says you/your bed smells of wee.

Please be strong - your dh may be physically stronger than you but you can bet your bottom dollar you are mentally stronger (women usually are, as most men's brains are in their pants)

Hulababy · 22/07/2004 11:37

From what you have said here you are not reacted and there is no way that I would find it acceptable for Dh to speak and act in this manner to me. I think you need to ask someone to watch the children for you for a while, and for you to both sit down and discuss this calmly if possible.

veryveryhurt · 22/07/2004 11:37

I wouldn't say things are enirely OK usually as we have a non-existent sex life which obviously doesn't help. This has been down to me because I have been taking AD's for some time and they've affected my sex drive drastically (plus 2 children under 3).

Dh has always been very understanding. Ironically enough, the phone argument started because I had been trying to book an appointment for us at relate, as we'd decided we wanted some help to sort things out.

There are mitigating reasons for him showing anger and frustration, but to be sooo hurtful and humiliating is awful.

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veryveryhurt · 22/07/2004 11:41

Fio2, the aggressiveness and insults were out of character and yes, he is under stress, we both are. However, he has made no attempt whatsoever to apologise, whilst I have apologised for hitting him.

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dh40k · 22/07/2004 11:46

"Eventually he apologised and said it was because I "push him too far"."

A classic male apology: I'm sorry but it was your fault.

I realize that it's nothing more than a symptom fo your current problems, but the "smelling of urine" issue is not as far-fetched as it might sound. I'm not a medical professional and I recommend that you speak to one, but it sounds like your skin may be excreting ureic acid. Most people wouldn't notice but a husband, close beside you in a warm bed, probably would. I believe it can be linked to atypical hormonal imbalances but may also be a sign of kidney problems (minor ones - don't panic ).

Meanwhile, if you want to save your marriage someone's going to have to start building bridges. It doesn't sound like he will so guess who's picked the short straw? A good start might be to see a doc about that skin thing. Show him that you take his complaints seriously and that you're prepared to do something about it. If he's got an ounce of intelligence, he should work out that he then needs to reciprocate.

veryveryhurt · 22/07/2004 11:49

dh40k. Actually, he is diabetic and TBH I think he's smelling himself and blaming me.

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MeanBean · 22/07/2004 11:53

Sounds like you really need that appointment at relate, vvh. Hope you can sort it out.

veryveryhurt · 22/07/2004 12:20

He always says he has a slight problem with one of his kidneys due to the diabetes, so could definitely be his problem, not mine. Then again, I would never call him a dirty b because it it, would not dream of being so hurtful, however angry I was.

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tigermoth · 22/07/2004 12:21

I do hope you can get that relate appointment quickly.

Not excusing your husband at all, but as this uncharacteristic outburst happened when you were organising the relate appointment, his feelings about seeing an outsider could be stirring up all sorts of worries.

I think you're right to give him and yourself some space. Then when things have calmed down, do some talking if you can. If not, save it for when you are at Relate together.

mummytosteven · 22/07/2004 12:23

just a thought but could his outburst have been connected to a hypo? how well controlled is his diabetes?

veryveryhurt · 22/07/2004 12:27

No, he was ok, he controls his diabetes pretty well on the whole.

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dh40k · 22/07/2004 12:45

QUOTE: "Actually, he is diabetic and TBH I think he's smelling himself and blaming me." ENDQUOTE

I don't want to go off on a tangent about this, because it's not the issue. This sounds like the "circle of blame". Someone has to break the circle and you're the only one who's acknowledging that there's a problem. Go to the doc anyway, even if it's probably him and not you. It's not about whether you actually have a problem, it's about showing him his feelings matter.

[anticipates likely response]

"What about MY feelings? Don't they matter?"

Of course they do, but if you both go around in circles waiting for the other one to do something then no one will do anything. If you let it fall apart, you'll only end up asking yourself "what else could I have done?" So do it now and know that you've done everything you could do.

In short: do something! Who knows? It might work.

veryveryhurt · 22/07/2004 13:15

Thank you sobernow and dh40k for your wise words. I'm trying to wrestle with so much in my head and I still feel so hurt and angry. If he'd just acknowledge that perhaps he didn't behave well either, I'd feel I'd have a starting point.

I know I should be "big enough" to sort this out, but I spent many, many years with a stepfather who was verbally very abusive to us all. Dh knows this and whilst we have loved each other through thick and thin, I find all this so hard to forgive.

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veryveryhurt · 22/07/2004 13:18

Thank you sobernow and dh40k for your wise words. I'm trying to wrestle with so much in my head and I still feel so hurt and angry. If he'd just acknowledge that perhaps he didn't behave well either, I'd feel I'd have a starting point.

I know I should be "big enough" to sort this out, but I spent many, many years with a stepfather who was verbally very abusive to us all. Dh knows this and whilst we have loved each other through thick and thin, I find all this so hard to forgive.

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veryveryhurt · 22/07/2004 13:18

oops

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newgirl · 22/07/2004 13:47

I just got a good book called Intimate Relationship Solutions which is really practical and down to earth. It might be helpful - probably similar to relate. It sounds like there is lots of love there as you have survived so much. Good luck.

veryveryhurt · 22/07/2004 14:38

Thanks newgirl, I shall get a copy of that.

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veryveryhurt · 22/07/2004 19:25

Anyone been to relate?

The thing that worried me about it is I get very emotional when I'm upset, whereas dh can remain very matter of fact. He always demands that I cite very specific examples when I talk about behaviour or attitudes of his that I find difficult. Often, I just can't because it all "merges into one" IYSWIM.

I feel as though it will be just more of "he's right and I'm the problem.

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Flossam · 22/07/2004 19:53

Sounds like you have an 'expert arguer' (sp) there!! My DP does exactly the same thing when I argue with him, I tell him 'you can be such and such' and he says, when, why? What have I done? And I know that there are times when he has been, but I just stand there gawping like a goldfish!!

I think it is the nature of the sexes that makes us argue so differently, men are meant to be cool and collected, women, by nature are more emotional. Sorry can't tell you anything about relate, but just thought it might help for you to know that I am an emotional gawping goldfish and DP is reasonable, calm and argumentative! So you are not alone!