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Unequal finances & domineering partner

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KarolinaIna · 27/11/2017 12:59

I will try to make this concise without missing out anything significant.

I am in therapy due to PTSD issues from childhood.

I have been married 12 years to an older man who in trying to ‘help’ me has in the past ‘taken over’ the joint finances. This has included taking away my joint bank card and taking out loans (in his name but which impact our joint finances) without consulting me. I asked him not to take out any more loans without consulting me.

My therapist has encouraged us to work together as adults rather than him treating me like a child, and to allow me to have responsibility with him in managing the finances, rather than him ’taking care of everything’ so that I am included in decision making. He agreed to this and as part of allowing me access to the joint account I fond that he has taken another loan to consolidate debts and pay off a bank overdraft. I was upset because he didn’t talk to me before doing this. I would rather have found other ways to pay off the overdraft – obeying / reducing food / entertainment etc.

As part of granting me access to the online bank account, he got aggressive: accusing me of 'standing over him' and meaning he couldn’t concentrate / remember passwords etc. I was simply standing in the same room.

He started shouting and saying it was all my fault and that I had incurred debts. I responded by saying that had I been given access to the finances and known what was going on, I could have been more responsible in my spending. I didn’t know he was funding it all with loans.

He seems to have an attitude of wanting to ‘spoil me’ on one hand, which means him saying yes to some purchases I want, while secretly not being able to afford it, and hiding the real situation from me.

This leads to me feeling powerless, resentful and depressed. I am conscious I am probably repeating learned patterns from childhood by being with him in the first place. I find him mean spirited, aggressive, hard and argumentative. However, my therapist thinks he loves me and I am merely protecting feelings from a family member onto him. I do trust her so I am confused.

The other day (before I found to about the £6k loan), I withdrew almost all of my savings to pay for some dental work he needed. This means that I am unable to spend £400 on a plane ticket to go to visit relatives abroad in January, which I badly wanted to do, as one of my elderly relatives is unwell and I fear might not be here much longer.

Yesterday after all this, I was reduced to hiding in the bathroom for 30 mins and sobbing my heart out (silently so not to upset DS), then drying my eyes, reapplying my make-up and trying to continue as if everything was OK. I feel alone and broken hearted. This was not how I imagined marriage or any partnership to be. It took all of my energy not to argue back at him but I stayed calm and repeated that whatever mistakes have been made in the past I want to move forward as an equal.

I just don’t agree with his approach to money management which is very much ‘quick fix’ orientated – I.e. Get a loan, rather than thinking ahead and resolving to live differently to find a lasting solution.

I have in the past repaid an overdraft by severely restricting luxuries and yet he thinks it’s find to drink half a bottle of wine a day and keep on going to the cinema / getting takeaways just because he has ‘sorted things’ - by getting us into yet more debt. I don’t want to be in this situation but feel trapped. I work part time and my solicitor has said I couldn’t afford to leave him and because of my mental health issues in the past I might not get custody of my son – although she was presenting a worst case scenario.

Thank you if you have read this far and I would really appreciate some advice – especially from someone who has been in a similar situation.

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saladdays66 · 27/11/2017 13:04

I find him mean spirited, aggressive, hard and argumentative. However, my therapist thinks he loves me and I am merely protecting feelings from a family member onto him. I do trust her so I am confused.

*I think this is a problem. Your heart and gut are telling you one thing. Your therapist is telling you another. You should believe your gut instinct. It's there to protect you.

Do you think there's any future for your relationship? Can he change? If not, I'd think seriously about leaving him. What does he bring to your life?

It's not professional of a therapist to take sides like that.

KarolinaIna · 27/11/2017 13:04
  • in the 4th paragraph there is a rogue word 'obeying' which isn't meant to be there - think it's an auto correct error for 'budgeting'
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KarolinaIna · 27/11/2017 13:23

Salad, I find it difficult to know what I truly feel or think - I seem have cut off from it all and feel as if I'm just existing. Naturally it's easier to exist with someone there (albeit not perfect) than be alone... but he certainly doesn't make me happy. :(

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Hidingtonothing · 27/11/2017 14:18

I'm quite concerned about the advice you're getting OP, your solicitor shouldn't be saying you 'can't afford to leave', the focus should be on finding a way to make it possible. Your therapist sounds shocking too, it's not their place to offer an opinion on whether he loves you and your feelings about his behaviour shouldn't be being dismissed like that. I have to ask, were either of them (solicitor or therapist) recommended or arranged by your partner?

KarolinaIna · 27/11/2017 15:12

Hiding, no neither were anything to do with DH

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 27/11/2017 15:18

Both your therapist and Solicitor sound well below par to me. I would seriously consider finding another now Solicitor to talk with and actually contacting Womens Aid on 0808 2000 247. To my mind your husband is financially abusing you at this time and like many financially abusive men is also not solely financially abusive either. He is not the loving husband he portrays himself to be. You do not have to stay with someone who makes you this unhappy.

KarolinaIna · 27/11/2017 15:41

Attila, what can women's aid do? I'm not strong enough to leave right now and there is no physical abuse. I have zero self esteem and am scared to death if doing anything g stressful / which might upset the delicate balance. I can afford to go to another solicitor; I've already invested £125 in this one which will be deducted from the cost of any further proceedings.

I wish I knew how 'normal' partners resolved financial difficulties- I have no idea any more of what is or isn't normal.

I suspect it's not normal to wish you were with someone - anyone else who would treat you kindly. However I'm not ready for any relationship at present until I've sorted myself out.

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saladdays66 · 28/11/2017 09:03

There doesn't have to be physical abuse before you're 'allowed' to leave a relationship. You can decide to leave at any time because YOU want to.

Agree with ringing Women's Aid on 0808 2000 247. To

This might also be useful: www.entitledto.co.uk/
and
www.citizensadvice.org.uk/family/gender-violence/domestic-violence-and-abuse/

AttilaTheMeerkat · 28/11/2017 09:18

Womens Aid can give you a valuable and importantly an impartial and safe outlet.

There does not have to be physical abuse for there to be abuse in a relationship for you to be "allowed" to leave one. Emotional abuse and financial abuse are just as damaging as being physically hit and what this man does to you works for him. That is why he does it. Also he does not have to hit you to hurt you.

You have zero self esteem also as a result of what he is doing to you; he likes keeping you in this confused and unhappy state, its all about power and control with him. Your own childhood as well set you up for this type of man to come into your life and further abuse you. What do you think your son is learning about relationships here from the two of you?. Would you want him to have this type of relationship, no you would not. You would want him to treat his partner as an equal, you are clearly not an equal in this relationship and never will be.

springydaffs · 28/11/2017 09:33

I'm very surprised your therapist is telling you you are projecting unresolved feelings about a primary relationship onto your partner.

I'm also very surprised your solicitor has told you you ' can't afford to leave ' or that your past mental health issues may mean you wouldn't get custody of ds.

From here it looks like your partner is financially abusing you. This is a specific, well documented, form of abuse designed to entirely control the victim. His torrent of abuse when he was required to reveal the financial position to you indicates he is abusing you by controlling you financially.

These days it is recognised that physical violence isn't the only way to control a partner. Psychological abuse is just as devastating and harmful. Financial abuse falls in this category. It is recognised by the courts as domestic abuse for which legal aid is available for all legal proceedings.

Contact your local Women's Aid to get support and advice about how to go forward. They will not force or push if you don't want to leave. Please contact them asap - they are the experts and you need them behind you.

Women's Aid will recommend you do the Freedom Programme. Do have a look to see where there is a course near you and do go along. It is a wonderful course, life -changing and life-affirming. You'll meet some great people there.

KarolinaIna · 28/11/2017 11:07

Springy dads, well that's what they said. Maybe I should find a new therapist but am loath to as don't want to go over old ground again .

I feel worn down, crushed and utterly broken. Most days I wish I could just die. I have no desire to live anymore and nothing to live for. DS used to be a reason for living but he's older now & less depending on me.

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springydaffs · 28/11/2017 22:16

Do look up the Freedom Programme, I've linked it in my last post. Get on a course. It will change things for you, it really will Flowers

Fishface77 · 28/11/2017 23:30

Get out op.
It's not you it's him.
Find a new solicitor and a new therapist.

Disquieted1 · 29/11/2017 01:03

OK, as I understand it.
He has a younger wife and in your words he has been spoiling you and funding it all through loans.
Your therapist has said "it's not him, you're projecting" and your solicitor has advised you that you can't afford to leave and risk losing your son if you do.

This is all rather confusing and no-one on MN can have the complete picture. However you have spoken with professionals who I assume do have the full picture, but didn't tell you what you wanted to hear.

Be honest with yourself. What exactly has been going on and what has been your role?

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