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please help me - i told my closest friend to get divorced, now we are not speaking...have i been unfair here?

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lizzedays · 18/11/2017 19:58

My best friend got married last year. I know her husband reasonably well, theye been together for 4 years in total to date, married for a year. he's a nice enough man and i get on with him.

before they got married, she told me that she wasnt sure she should marry H (lets call him John). John was going through a shitty time - very dependant on my friend following a pretty horrific accident (cant say too much as will out me/her, but it was ALL mental issues, not physical, that have continued following this accident). cue John stopping work straight after the wedding (pretty much), and he has recently gone back part time.

in the last year, i have seen their relationship crumble. from an outsiders point of view, they never seem to be happy. she is always wanting to meet me after work, go for drinks with us or dinner, she stays at work late. in the middle of summer she told me she thought she had fallen out of love with him, and that she was going to tell him. she told him, he said he was desperate to try counselling. they have been in counselling but she is barely enthusiastic about it - still stays away from home a lot, still talks more about work life than home life, is clearly unhappy.

a few weeks back she told me she had started seeing man she knows through my work, who is also my friend. she is so into this man, her whole personality shines through when she talks about him - it is as if i have got my friend back. shes fun, her opinions have come back, she seems enthusiastic about life. i know she shouldnt have an affair, and they claim not to have slept together, but either way, they are very close. shes told this man she wants to be with him, that shes loved him etc etc. this man is my friend and loyal colleague in the office and whilst i know he shouldnt have spent time with my friend while she is married, i care for him a lot and dont judge him (rightly or wrongly) for his closeness with my friend, as they are so happyin each other's company.

last night i met my friend (the married one), and she tells me that she is so confused and doesnt know what to do anymore. i snapped, and told her to leave John (i know its not my place). her response was to tell me it wasnt that simple, how could i not understand, she couldnt 'just leave,' she didnt know what to do, i wasnt a good friend for not understanding that this takes time and that she was very unhappy. she said she feels guilty about john and if they werent married she would have ended it months ago, she knows it needs to get but feels like there is a tunnel of hell to get to that point.

we fell out. i told her she was being unfair to my colleague and to John, and that i thought she was stronger than that. i told her the marriage was going nowhere if she was in love with someone who isnt her husband, especially as they are going to counselling at the same time.

am i being unfair here? is it really that hard to get divorced if you fall out of love? should i be more sympathetic? i am not married and obviously i get the complexities, but i also feel i have lost sight of my friend who is usually so 'together' and so headstrong, yet she seems to have frozen here and wont actually commit to taking control. it is exhausting and now i feel i have lost her for good.

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Gemini69 · 18/11/2017 20:03

Nope.... sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind.. and you can only listen to so much without her actually taking the advise on board.. she'll calm down.. she's maybe fearful of losing your confidence... because let's be honest... you know Everything... Hmm she might be literally shitting herself.... who does she turn to now... I think she'll be back... Flowers

ShiftyMcGifty · 18/11/2017 20:07

She asked for your opinion and got pissed off when you didn't tell her what she wanted to hear. She's cheating on her husband and your colleague isn't exactly Mr Perfect either. Like hell they didn't fuck.

gamerchick · 18/11/2017 20:11

Let her stew. If you do end up speaking again tell her you don’t want her to confide in you anymore about her relationships.

Ijustlovefood · 18/11/2017 20:14

Why on earth did she marry him in the first place? She wasn't sure before and it's only been a year, oh dear. I agree though YANBU although it must be a difficult time all round.

Pinkpillows · 18/11/2017 20:22

This isn't your fault, you spoke the truth and the truth hurts

She's clearly trying to find out if it works with you colleague I can for see this whole situation blowing up in her face pretty soon and it won't be pretty. Take a step back and wait for her to come back to you she'll need you then

museumum · 18/11/2017 20:30

You’re not being unfair but you’ve taken on the messengers role so don’t be surprised if you get shot.

lizzedays · 18/11/2017 21:16

i can see how objectively she (and my colleague!) seem like awful people. im biased i suppose, but they are good people, i do believe that they have honestly fallen for each other. im just sick of the "i dont know what to do" talk. is it that complicated to end a marriage if theres no kids and you love another person? it is so unlike her to behave to unsure of herself, and part of me wants to talk it out with her because shes obviously not like her usual self, but the other part of me wants nothing to do with her :( i know divorce isnt easy, but for gods sake, you love another man!!!!

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WhoWants2Know · 18/11/2017 21:23

It’s the guilt. She probably still cares about her husband enough that it’s hard for her to make the final move that will hurt him. So she’s treading water and hoping somehow the situation will resolve without her having to be the bad guy.

lizzedays · 18/11/2017 21:28

whowantstoknow - where does it end though? she cant carry on as she is surely.

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ShiftyMcGifty · 18/11/2017 21:31

I know life isn't black and white but good people don't deceive, manipulate and lie to their supposed life partners for their sole benefit. And it's "hard" because she wants her cake and eat it too.

Step away from these two. Even if she divorces and gets together with your colleague, more "drama" will unfold.

sonjadog · 18/11/2017 21:31

She´ll probably take action in time, but at the moment she is insecure about what direction to go in. I understand that it is frustrating to watch, but be patient and listen to her and let her work it out in her own time.

lizzedays · 18/11/2017 21:34

sonjadog - have i advised her wrongly? i am worried she snapped because i suggested divorce, despite thinking it was the best thing to do given how in love she appears to be with someone who isnt her H

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sonjadog · 18/11/2017 21:48

I don´t think you advised her wrongly at all. She snapped because she isn´t ready to hear it yet. I think you were right to put the idea out there, but don´t get frustrated if she doesn´t immediately go about getting the divorce.

lizzedays · 19/11/2017 09:55

i just cant understand how someone can complain so much about their marriage and not get divorced?!

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