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What is the difference between being a very boundaried person and taking offence at everything?

50 replies

allthatshewantsisanotherbaby · 11/11/2017 20:55

When I met DH, I was attracted to him because he seemed to have a lot of boundaries, which is what I lacked. He used to, without hesitation, cut people dead if they made him uncomfortable or asked too much of him or he felt they were taking advantage. He was never embarrassed about stating when he was not happy or disliked something, and he never worried about causing a scene or not being liked. This made him appear strong to me.

Ten years later and I now realise I am married to somebody so rigid that they can never be wrong, who has never ever apologised, who is never afraid to threaten with a nuclear option, doesn't care if my friends or family like him, will lay down the law or walk off in public if I do something he doesn't like, will never ever compromise, and expects adult-type understanding of his boundaries from our toddler DC.

Is there any way this could be positive? What would you do if you were me?

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RunRabbitRunRabbit · 11/11/2017 22:29

That is very severely controlling and abusive.

Have you tried Women's Aid for advice.

KungFuEric · 11/11/2017 22:31

I'm intrigued too about what you think will happen if you don't give the apology he's seeking and drop the issue?

You are afraid of your husbands reaponse and reactions to you, is that a place you want to be?

gamerchick · 11/11/2017 22:31

IME in answer to your question. People with strong boundaries rarely take offence.

KungFuEric · 11/11/2017 22:34

Christ, he'd actually go out of his way to behave so cruelly to you? To sabotage your assisting your unwell mother? How does that make you feel about him?

Bunnystew · 11/11/2017 22:42

No way I’d be in a relationship with him

Hellomaryimback · 11/11/2017 22:50

allthatshe Flowers

It doesn't matter if he is controlling or he has ASD, the situation for you and your toddler is actually unpleasant.

I grew up walking on egg shells around my mother and it wrecked my self esteem.

I wouldn't try and figure out why he does this to you - to every one, I'd just be thinking of what you life would be like living with out this behaviour to you and your child.

He/ you situation sounds extremely suffocating and soul distroying and it's not fair on your little one.

I hardly ever say on here to leave some one but your walking on egg shells comment really resonated with me and I'd be off (which I did)

Good luck love, you don't deserve this neither does your little one

AcrossthePond55 · 11/11/2017 22:54

Please call women's aid. He's the very worst type of abuser. You need to leave. They can help.

Autumnskiesarelovely · 11/11/2017 23:10

My Ex was very rigid too. Discussions where I had a different opinion resulted in him becoming very angry. Weirdly he was quite unboundaried compared to me.

Boundaries are healthy divisions, to stop emotional manipulation and mess. They are not ‘my way or the high way’.

I confronted my Ex, went to counseling etc which helped. Then my Ex started telling me that I was a bully, he was walking on eggshells etc. it was awful. The slightest thing I said he’d fly into a rage and accuse me of being controlling. It did confuse me.

It took me a while to realise that he was describing how he felt trying not to control me or to lose his temper if I ever disagreed. Compromising made him mad and feeling like he was being controlled!

I think we have to think very, very clearly.

Who gets the most way in your relationship?
Who gets angry quickly if you assert yourself?
Does he tell you the relationship is over?
Is there a cycle where he is nice, then builds up, the explodes?

allthatshewantsisanotherbaby · 12/11/2017 00:10

Autumnskiesarelovely my H sounds exactly like your ex.

I often get accused of being the bully, the controlling one, and I get called "the boss" often. Even though I am not by any means the boss. I don't many any decisions. I feel powerless.

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Hermonie2016 · 12/11/2017 00:24

I was explaining calmly how I felt about the fact he was controlling money

This is key, you wanted him to hear you and he twisted it to you being awful to him.
Can you see that this is a highly effective way for him never to have to meet your needs?

You are describing someone aggressively thin skinned.Like Autumn I had a similar stbxh, he may have ASD but it was his abusive childhood that caused his underlying behaviour.Its just toxic behaviour not someone with good boundaries.

I would recomend you read "Why does he do that" and "the Verbally abusive relationship"..Also keep a journal and write down each argument.Start to identify his triggers, such as you asking for something.
Note his reactions, how long he sulks for and if he looks to punish you.

Once you observe the behaviour rather than absorb it you will feel stronger.

Get support from family or friends and a counsellor or women's aid.
If you have been together 10 years you maybe conditioned to his reactions and an outsider can help you work out "normal".

Kr1st1na · 12/11/2017 00:26

So if you try to discuss a topic he doesn’t like, he does this

Sets up a straw man
Refuses to listen to you
Walks out
Demands an immediate apology
Says he will never get over it
Says he will never discuss the topic again
Turns his phone off
Makes your ( and your children’s ) life hell for a couple of days
Threatens his children’s financial security
Goes AWOL
Cancels social events
Causses as much disruption to your life as possible eg Tries to upset his MIL who is unwell

That’s a hell of a lot of punishment when you step out of line isn’t it ? All that just to ensure you shut up and do what he wants.

No wonder you feel powerless. That’s why he does it, to keep you in your place.

You know this is abuse, don’t you ? Its nothing to do with him having boundaries, it’s him controlling you.

Isetan · 12/11/2017 07:57

You’re married to a controlling, manipulative, emotionally abusive bully. You mistook these traits for something positive, instead of the products of his extreme insecurities because of your own issues (explains why you ended up with this bully). This is who he is and he’s given you no indication that he wants to be different.

Your children are learning terrible lessons from this mans behaviour and the damaging dysfunctional relationship that exists between you and him. You need to save them from this toxic environment.

Your options are, continue as you are and further collude in the dismantling of your sense of self or stand up to him and rediscover your sense of self worth, hopefully realising that you could and should do better than this toddler.

Never expect the person who benefits from the status quo (yes, your misery benefits him) to change it. You aren’t powerless, by accepting his behaviour you’re just to chosen to surrender your power to him. The good news is, you can take back your power anytime you want but your going to have to fight because he’s not going to make it easy.

If you really want to escape this half life you’ve hidden in for so long then you are going to have engage with people who have not been affected by the toxicity that you’ve become accustomed to (Women’s Aid etc).

Shoxfordian · 12/11/2017 08:10

Boundaries are not about enforcing your way over someone else all the time. He's controlling and bullying you. Ltb

Autumnskiesarelovely · 12/11/2017 22:13

I often get accused of being the bully, the controlling one, and I get called "the boss" often. Even though I am not by any means the boss. I don't many any decisions. I feel powerless.

I so relate to you OP. We are with men who can’t stand being with a woman with any strength. I know I kept thinking, am I overpowering? Yet I bet your friends don’t describe in that way?

I was relatively powerless too. In the house, who has say in decor, repairs? Who controls the money? Who controls what you do as a family? Does he have a good relationship with with your friends or family?

No?

I bet, like me, our men control most, don’t like our friends or family, don’t like to do anything they don’t want to. It’s so sad really. My Ex was so nice in so many ways, we had kids too, he was probably ASD but that’s a red herring. It’s no way for us to live is it.

Autumnskiesarelovely · 12/11/2017 22:23

Really good advice from hermoine...

I would recomend you read "Why does he do that" and "the Verbally abusive relationship"..Also keep a journal and write down each argument.Start to identify his triggers, such as you asking for something.
Note his reactions, how long he sulks for and if he looks to punish you.

Also, the totally over the top reactions to raising normal topics is key. For me, whether he was abusive/controlling - it was tricky for me to put this label on... at the time... but like you...

Not being able to raise any issues? That stifles a relationship. Nothing can be moved forward.

Does he take your issues on board at any point? My Ex, to be fair to him, did make changes from things he’d raised, but only after...

Having a go at me for raising the issue.
Often telling me the relationship was over.
Being cross with me because I would be sullen, quiet (I’d just been shouted at and rejected!) and not just get over it.

Then a period of weeks, months with him harbouring that resentment.

Then a sudden change! But quite late in the game.

Does your DH ever compromise?
Does he ever take your needs on board?

allthatshewantsisanotherbaby · 12/11/2017 23:03

Kr1st1na

The list you wrote of my "punishments" is very significant and made me see things in a way I hadn't before.

His reason for doing these things is because he says I lie and tell untruths about what happened. So if he takes offence and tells me that I have done the wrong thing or something careless (usually something around the house, or I've made a decision on my own like something to do with the DC nursery,) I will say "it is a bit controlling that you take offence when I make such a small decision which doesn't affect you?." He will then say "you called me controlling. That is the most insulting thing I ever heard in my life. I will not engage with you again until you apologise unreservedly for what you said." Then he will switch his phone off and ignore me.

I don't know how I am supposed to reason with that?

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ZorbaTheHoarder · 12/11/2017 23:19

Hi OP, you say "I don't know how I am supposed to reason with that?".

Well, you can't! You simply can't reason with someone who has no interest in hearing your point of view. I think that if you carry on in your current set-up, you will become increasingly unhappy and so will your children.

Nothing you say to him will make any difference, so I think that your only option is to prepare to leave him.

Please be careful, because he sounds as though he would see that as the ultimate betrayal and would react very badly.

Good luck, OP. Please don't feel you have to live like this forever.

Hermonie2016 · 12/11/2017 23:41

Just because he feels controlled doesn't mean you are controlling.
It's important that you know you are not in a healthy relationship but you can't fix it alone.

I was constantly accused of saying things, to the point that I suggested we record our discussions so they could be played back.
It did help BUT I couldn't live like that.

Your husband is supposed to be the one who you are most relaxed with.

There isn't a magic way to say something so your H hears you.He can't or won't.

Autumn, my ex would also change behaviour sometimes but only after he had considered all angles and realised he could do it without harm to him.However the change came only after he has caused such upset that the damage was done.
I felt he put every conversation through a filter to determine if he was losing in some way but that often took a few days or weeks.

CashewNut11 · 13/11/2017 00:01

Please stop bending to suit his rigidity. Please stop doubting yourself. Will he EVER say "sorry, I think I overreacted," or, "Yes, I see what you mean" ?

OP it is essential that you know your ground, and stand it. He's chipping away at you, to make you suit himself.

Reflect on where you were/who you were this time last year, and the year before that. Where will you be this time next year? In 2 year's time...?

There is nothing you can do about him and his behaviour. You must protect yourself and stop him wearing you down.

Short answer: leave.

Bruceishavingfish · 13/11/2017 06:22

It took me a while to realise that he was describing how he felt trying not to control me or to lose his temper if I ever disagreed. Compromising made him mad and feeling like he was being controlled!

Jesus this really hit home for me. I am seperated. Stbxh was extremely controlling and when he started counselling the same thing happened. I was told I was controlling, gas lighting, abusive etc for trying to find compromises and keep the marriage together.

Op, your husband is controlling and abusive. I never understood peoplr tapking about the fog of abuse, while I was in it. But once the fog starts to thin out you can see so much more clearly and realise how much it impacted you. You can see it all.

He is abusing you and you need to end this. Life will be so much better.

May50 · 13/11/2017 06:33

My father was the same as this - controlling, bullying - we all had to walk on eggshells around him. I was never allowed an opinion, grew up severely affected psychologically into adulthood.
This is not good for you or your DC.

SelmaAndJubjub · 13/11/2017 19:35

He will then say "you called me controlling. That is the most insulting thing I ever heard in my life. I will not engage with you again until you apologise unreservedly for what you said." Then he will switch his phone off and ignore me

This would be funny, if I wasn't so sad for you, OP. "How dare you call me controlling? I'll make you apologise - by being controlling."

Change is very unlikely, I'm afraid. You need to think about ending the relationship.

SeaEagleFeather · 14/11/2017 17:18

From what you say, he is unable to consider he might be wrong, OP.

Which leaves you the choice of accepting him as he is, or acting in a way that might end up with separation (asserting yourself more, refusing to apologise when -he- is the one who's made the mistake, wanting more equality financially etc). Or biting hte bullet and initiating separation.

I think you would need to consider how each option will affect your child though. If you accept him as he is, you might have to be a doormat and that is the behaviour they will see as normal. If you are assertive, then arguments / terrrible atmosphere will ensue. If you separate, how much time will he want with the child?

I have a suspicion though that an awful lot of his ways are emotionally abusive and controlling. If you document that over time, all the incidents especially regarding your child, perhaps that could be used to minimize contact.

If the dating situation ever arises again though, I think you need to look at yourself first to work out your own boundaries and how to hold to them. You were attracted to him becuase yours were weak and now your husband is consistently trampling all over them which is even worse. You need your own boundaries, not externally imposed ones.

DarkPeakScouter · 14/11/2017 17:23

Leave him, this man is toxic. If you want to communicate bunnystews text was spot on. This is a man who wants to control and doesn’t want to compromise.

CousinKrispy · 15/11/2017 08:53

I don't think you can reason with him, OP. it might be more helpful to you to decide that his mind just doesn't work like yours, or like any reasonable, kind normal person's. He is probably just not capable of carrying out a relationship without being a controlling, emotionally abusive jerk.

Definitely start keeping a diary of incidents (keep it absolutely private). Definitely read the Lundy Bancroft book and definitely call Women's Aid. The more you talk to others, the more perspective you will get on this--right now he is trying to get you to believe his version of reality in which his behavior is normal and acceptable. It's not, but it takes a while to get yourself to the point where you can see that.

Good luck OP.

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