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Told DH I think we should separate

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Greedynan · 11/11/2017 07:23

We've been through a lot in recent years and I just think our marriage has taken a battering. We've 2 dc, one in nursery and one in school.

I think DH is emotionally abusive, not overtly abusive but I find him selfish and he says a lot of hurtful things. We've recently been approved a remortgage which has allowed us to tie a large sum of debt into our mortgage, freeing up our monthly outgoings significantly. He's recently started taking music lessons with one of our dc. (He's a lovely dad, I can't fault him there). He's now talking about spending £800-1500 on a brand new musical instrument. I don't feel comfortable spending this sum of money given our recent financial circumstances. I've tried to suggest alternatives- second hand, or saving up over a period of months. I actually don't think it's necessary at this level (complete beginner) to be splashing out, particularly when we need a new car and stuff doing around the house. His response was to become antagonistic. He said I lack ambition, won't invest in our dc. He then went on to say I'm moody, awful to live with etc. He said he'll be buying the instrument regardless of what I say.

Things have been strained for months. In recent weeks he's said I put hurdles in front of his career and that he can't cope with my 'resistance to change'. It's a joke, we recently relocated 100 miles so that, primarily, he could be closer to his elderly parent who's ill (another stressor on our marriage). I just get this horrible vibe from him that he sees me as an obstacle. I get no compliments, no time set aside just for me, but he still expects sex.

I said last night that I think we should separate. I tried to have a conversation about how we might be able to do it. He continued to tear shreds off me - I'm a bad mother, always snapping at the dc, bad wife, unpleasant to be around.

The thing is I am moody and I do snap at the kids. I'm often carrying a lot of resentment towards my DH. Earlier this year he insisted I be bringing more money in so I went back to work FT. Now he wants to change his career and was recently talking about making huge changes to our family income and routine just to suit his career aspirations. And because I say I'm not sure he says I put hurdles in his way.

Hurdles.
Lack of ambition.
Moody.
Unpleasant.

I won't take it any more. I'm a nice person and a good mum. I certainly have my moments but ultimately I'm a nice person. I find myself looking at houses on rightmove and thinking about how I'd cope with working and parenting as a single mum. I don't know what to do.

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Greedynan · 11/11/2017 09:58

Phoenixmama- that's pretty much what he says 😏

The thing is the way he speaks to me. The career change thing - he suggested going freelance and dropping £23k per annum and pulling our dc out of nursery just so that it means we could afford for him to have a career change. And when I object - mainly to pulling out dc out of nursery (it's taken a year to settle her) he says I put hurdles in front of his career.

The musical instrument thing - he says it'll be an investment but why spent all that money? Why not a compromise? Why not save up after what we've just done with loads of debt? And why, when I suggest such things, does he say he's going to go ahead and do it anyway? Then say I lack ambition?

I would love for things to work. I actually do love this man. And I love my family. But he does not afford me the same respect and admiration that I have for him and his achievements. He does not recognise the compromises I make for our family (relocating, leaving an awesome job and friends). But I don't complain about these sacrifices because I see them as a natural part of family life. In fact, they're not sacrifices, it's called parenting and family life. He just wants it all. But I am not enough.

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Ellisandra · 11/11/2017 09:58

But see, that's the exact kind of self serving bullshit that he probably would come out with - the bit that ignores her moving 100 miles for him and increasing her hours.

I don't know anyone who has given up on marriage too quickly, and I've yet to read a thread on here where it sounds like they are.

Quite the opposite - far too many people staying in utterly shit marriages.

"Everyone is so quick these days" is just easy fluff to say - I don't think it's substantiated.

Greedynan · 11/11/2017 10:05

AForest are you still together? Do you have good times? We are up and down. We always have been but the downs are ever increasing and the knot in my stomach is there all the time. And it's reminding me that I can't suppress myself anymore.

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Ifartrainbowsandglitter · 11/11/2017 10:07

I have no advice but just wanted to send you Flowers.

AForest · 12/11/2017 10:52

Greedynan, we are still together in that we still live in the same house and share a bed although our physical relationship finished 6 years ago. I only stay because I feel like I can't leave. The good times are non existent at the moment probably due to my depression and we have been through a stressful time with DS. Like you we had ups and downs and I felt it was always me trying to get things on track, but we always revert to indifference. I have got to the point where I don't want to try any more and that I feel there is so much to life I am missing out on. I can live without sex (although now I am beginning to wonder how long I can) but not affection, touch, feeling loved etc..

However whenever I get to this point I feel trapped and powerless to change things and cause upset to the children's lives. I have no career and couldn't get a mortgage and that makes me think any action I take would have an adverse affect on the children's standard of living. And then I talk myself out of it. But I told H last week that if I had the money I would leave, that we probably should separate or sort out a way of living that isn't damaging my mental health. We are going to get counselling so we can talk with mediation.

Sorry that became a bit of a long story. My situation sounds similar to yours. You need to listen to your gut, resenting someone is not a healthy way to live. If you think there is no way back then you need to plan a future you want. Life is too short. Best of luck whatever you decide.

OldWitch00 · 12/11/2017 11:06

At the very very least financially you two are on totally different pages.

AForest · 12/11/2017 11:20

I agree, and I know this is not about me. I just wanted OP to know she is not alone and that these are hard decisions to make.

SandyY2K · 12/11/2017 14:35

Don't let your DC be pulled out of nursery for his career. It sound like a pipe dream that the rest of the family have to pay for.

Perhaps a period of separation will help him reflect or you could consider individual counselling for yourself

Hermonie2016 · 12/11/2017 15:39

PhoenixMama, unless you have been in an emotionally abusive relationship it's really difficult to understand the dynamic.As others say these issues are never about the actual issue but power and control.

Normal martial communication and strategies don't work.I spent many years with a very similar person so can relate to it. We did years if you selling on/off but he used every strategy to evade compromise and hearing my needs.

Ok, I found the "Verbally abusive relationship" by Patricia Evans really good as it explains the power theory and why no arguments/discussions ever lead to a harmony or agreement.
If you make valid points he will pull out the big guns and use anything about you to "win".

He isn't seeking mutuality or compromise.Once you understand that it helps you feel more in control.
I feel for you as I relate to the physical feelings of unwellness. I got out a year ago and did try everything prior to that to save the marriage.
I am so much more relaxed than I was and all my irritability has disappeared.Its emotional exhausting being berated.
Like you I moved for stbxh and am trying to move back to..its slow but I will get there.

junebirthdaygirl · 12/11/2017 20:18

He is full of crap coming up with those mad ideas. Bit he seems to have touched an area of doubt in you going on about being a bad mother etc. What would happen if you let all that stuff over your head and said great lm a useless wife and mother but guess what you are still not buying a stupid guitar. Somehow you are believing him instead of seeing its total manipulation..
You have nothing to lose now as your marriage seems totally threatened. So instead of following the same pattern just let rip. Say so divorce me l dont care but lm not pulling dc out of nursery etc so just quit your mad ideas and give me a break. Totally let rip. All his stuff about you is totally blackmail..tell him to get lost you are not listening to it anymore.

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