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I can't take any more....need help to grow a pair please!

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Freefalling123 · 14/10/2017 19:44

Long term lurker, occasional poster. Lurked so long I should know the answers, but when it's your situation it's not as easy to see wood from trees. This may be long....

Backstory: married in early 20's, now together for 28 years and late 40's. DS16 and DD13. One year into marriage (I was then 22) I had a ONS, and got found out. Far from proud of this, no excuses, but boy 24 years on I am still paying the price.

At the time, we agreed to move on from it, it was a one off, we moved house, then eventually to this 'dream' house and had the DC.

Last 3 years have been awful. FIL died, aged MIL became a demanding nightmare, my dad got diagnosed with MS, my career flew spectacularly, H's business was tough (self employed), DD had a traumatic change to secondary school with bullying...it goes on.

This year has been the worse. I got diagnosed with CIN2 (pre-cervical cancer) and HPV. MIL gradually got worse with dementia (she's 89) and is now in a home; the financial stuff has been a nightmare, DS got accused of serious sexual assault at school by a girl who turned out to have lied, but not before police intervention, interview under caution etc. And my stash of nice underwear and a few sex toys got discovered by H.

I'll explain: I suffer from low self confidence and low self esteem. I am in a senior level job which I love, and do well at. But my own underlying confidence in me is shot. Going out the house with a 'too short' dress, 'what are you doing wearing that', 'aren't those heels a bit high', 'your hair looks awful that colour'...so I have a small stash of nice underwear (including stockings and suspenders) which i occasionally wore becasue it made me feel good. And a handful of sex toys for my own use as I can't bear H touching me. I don't want sex. It's now been about 8 months.

He has now put 2 and 2 together and got about 9. Assumes the stuff is for use with someone else, assumes i 'got HPV' as I must be sleeping around, assumes because I am away a lot with work I must be up to something. I made one mistake 24 years ago and am still being persecuted. Almost daily this year; prior to that was occasionally when he got pissed.

Which brings me onto his drinking. He goes out to the pub every night, usually about 9, earlier on a saturday. He comes to bed about 12-1am, and probably 4-5 times a week shakes me awake to have a go about something. Accuses me of cheating now (last night it was because i have 2 phones - i have a work one and a personal one, as we are not allowed to use the work one for own use. Apparently it's my cheat phone). At least twice a week he mentions my ONS. It's been far worse since he found the underwear and toys, but was happening prior too regularly. He goes for a drink because I don't talk to him and he won't sit in silence (his words).

DD is badly affected by the arguing. She gets really upset. I just won't be spoken to like he speaks to me, and won't be accused of things I am not doing!

The sleep deprivation is crippling. Being woken 2 hours into a deep sleep then listening to him often ranting is debilitating.

I have told him it's over and I want to leave. I then get the tears and then the suicide threats and then the blackmail (he'll tell my mum and dad all about me and how nasty I am).

Financially I can do it. I earn £70k pa and can afford to rent (this once dream house is now bad memories). His income though is unstable and he says he won't cope and anyway 'we are a family and must stick together'. It's breaking me. Totally breaking me. I can't cope. I hate coming home from work as I dread walking in the door.

He's out now, since 3pm, with a mate in a city half an hour away, so I am already dreading tonight.

Sorry....that's long already, there's so much I could say. Got to go and pick both DCs up now, luckily from the same town, so may not be able to reply for a short while.

Please ask any questions. Help me grow that proverbial pair and leave!
thanks

OP posts:
Freefalling123 · 15/10/2017 09:03

Morning.....I actually slept all night, no awakening for a change on a Saturday night! Doesn’t change anything....you’ve all given me the kick I need to realise this is abuse, it’s not right, and for my own health and for the dc I have to sort this.

To answer some questions.

Blueberry - I had some counselling last year as I wasn’t coping with him or mils demands, plus an issue with a bullying boss at work (now fired but not because of me), H finally had counselling about 3 months ago, as I had been saying for ages he has never coped with his dad’s death. But he refused to talk to the counsellor about his drinking, abuse towards me, why he holds a grudge after 24 years etc. And you’re right, I know what he found doesn’t look at all good, but there was no way I was going to share that stuff with him tbh, I just have no love for him and sex is the last thing I want.

43 - yes, got together at 18,he’s two years older. And I am beating myself up badly. I’m a terrible people pleaser, my counsellor last year said that. I agree with anything for an easy life, at the detriment of my own. And your stick analogy absolutely rings true. Everything is my fault because of what I did 24 years ago (his words). 24 fucking years.

OP posts:
jeaux90 · 15/10/2017 09:28

Don't spend another 24 years of YOUR life being treated like this. Get to the solicitor and try and start to look forward to the future.

Marriage is not the alter you sacrifice your life on, it should be happy and a partnership. This isn't, it's abusive and you are entitled to leave it.

Isetan · 15/10/2017 09:40

Given his personality if it wasn’t for the ONS, it would have been something else. He’s insecure and crapping all over you makes him feel better, no wonder the thought of his emotional punching bag leaving feels him with dread.

Speak to a solicitor but you have to let go of the idea that what happened 24 years ago is why he’s like this, he’s like this because he doesn’t like himself and punishing you for his insecurities is preferable to dealing with them.

In addition, do not screw yourself over financially to assuage your misguided feelings of guilt or because you feel sorry for him, he’s had more than his pound of flesh over the last 24 years!!!!!!!!

Gilead · 15/10/2017 10:35

Do get out. Get legal advice. I had similar. He could rake up stuff from years ago to emotionally beat me with. He'd regularly wake me at four in the morning for a rant, it was hell. He's been gone a year and whilst he's left me with ptsd I'm no longer scared to put my key in the lock.

pointythings · 15/10/2017 10:56

What isetan said. There comes a point when you have to accept that staying after your partner has been unfaithful is your choice and you have to take responsibility for it. A ONS is not a free pass to a lifetime of emotional abuse. And that is what your H is doing. You are financially secure, you can stand on your own two feet. You also have rights after so long in the marriage. Leave, take your DCs with you, let him stew in his own self-inflicted misery.

Freefalling123 · 15/10/2017 10:57

Gilead thank you - sorry you’ve been through it too. Emotionally beating me sounds right.

Istean - he is insecure, that’s true. And emotional punch bag feels right. The emotional word is coming up a lot. Emotional abuse. I’m such a tough person normally, but he reduces me to shit.

This morning because I’ve said no to a ‘family day out’ he’s threatened to go and see my parents and tell them all about what a bad person i am, that I’m a nasty piece of work, and how much he has to do for us [hmmm]

I’m exhausted by it all, crying is shattering, and I need to deal with this and now.

Typically, tomorrow night I fly out the country until Thursday night with work. Gets me away from here, but will need to arrange appointments etc remotely.

OP posts:
Gilead · 15/10/2017 11:09

Freefalling, I used to get these threats too. I'd tell him to go ahead and of course he never did. Do you know what, he hasn't committed suicide either. In fact he got himself a girlfriend within three months...

dizzy174 · 15/10/2017 11:10

but you will have peace, quiet and calm to do those and that must be a positive. thinking of you x

iMatter · 15/10/2017 11:35

When you are away this week use any spare time you have (evenings etc) to plan your escape. Write lists, research solicitors.

You know you have to leave, it’s just a question of when.

Why delay?

He’s messing with your head and the atmosphere is messing with your daughter’s mental health.

Get out.

You are “fortunate” in that you have a job you love and a good salary so you are not trapped.

You can choose to go or stay.

Leaving won’t be easy but staying will destroy you and your daughter.

And so what if he runs off to your parents to tell tales? I’m absolutely sure they know the truth of your marriage but even if they don’t that is no reason to stay.

Good luck Flowers

Sweetbell · 15/10/2017 11:57

Op sounds like your serving a life sentence dished out by your now abusive H. This is no way to live.
As for his threats to tell your parents including your dad with ms about how awful a person you are I'd take the wind out of his sails and just say 'yes please go ahead and do it so they can understand why we need to divorce and we should go tell them together shall we!'

Take his emotional punch out of it.

And every time he mentions your ONS state firmly to him 'let's stop this merrygoround and face facts that its time to divorce'
Repeat as often as needed
Get advice from a solicitor regarding finances/selling home etc
Moving out may be best all round I think for your mental health
Make a plan with legal advice how best to manage joint owned assets before final settlement/divorce is sorted.

butterfly56 · 15/10/2017 12:22

OP you need to put yourself first for the first time in your life.
Fine yourself alternative accommodation and choose what you can afford.
Do not worry about the divorce side of things at the moment, worry about your own mental health and well being.
I left(and I was in a very bad financial situation and was very fortunate to have a friend who helped me with accommodation and money for the first few weeks).
I waited 18months to divorce the extremely abusive ex mainly because I had to get my head back together and physically get my strength back.

So concentrate on quietly getting yourself a better place for you and your daughter.
I cannot begin to tell you what it is like to be able to close your own front door and have peace of mind. It is the best feeling in the world.

You can do this you are a lot stronger than you think.

Flowers Flowers Flowers

gamerchick · 15/10/2017 12:29

Tell him to go right ahead and see your parents. Then ring them and tell them he’s on the way and why. That you’re going to divorce him and you would like their support.

Time for a plan to remove this clusterfuck from your life. You owe it to your kids future mental health.

EmeraldIsle100 · 15/10/2017 13:06

You have got great advice here. I just want to add that you will leave him and you will go on to have a lovely life. Myself and lots of other MNS have been precisely where you are. We left and experienced the joy of putting our key in the door of a house that he would never live in.

We saw our DC relax without his bullying dysfunctional presence. We also had the joy of making our new home ours. Most of all we were free of being routinely criticised and being made to feel worthless.

I know you don't feel strong but believe me you are stronger than you think. You can leave and even though it will be bumpy for a bit you won't be tortured for something that happened 24 years ago.

Freefalling123 · 15/10/2017 20:45

Sorry for quiet, been an awful day. Have cried so much I’m exhausted. Managed a lovely two hours out with DD which was just awesome happy time.

I so appreciate all your advice, and I feel I can get myself sorted and do this.

I’ve told him many times to go and tell my parents what he wants to, but then just get nastiness back.

I want that lovely happy life I saw a glimpse of today!

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Maelstrop · 15/10/2017 20:58

Speak to your parents and tell them everything you've said here, then he doesn't have a threat to hold over you. Woman up, you can't spend more years with this abusive guy destroying your self esteem/mental health. See the lawyer. Good luck.

iMatter · 15/10/2017 21:33

You have every chance of that lovely happy life if you leave.

You have no chance of it if you stay.

It really is that simple.

You can do it.

Don't shed another tear over this abusive arsehole.

Good luck.

RunRabbitRunRabbit · 15/10/2017 21:36

I’ve told him many times to go He won't go willingly. There is no option where everyone is civil, mature and behaves reasonably. He's going to be a complete bastard. Massively obstructive. Plan for that.

You are in quite a strong position really. When you get the right solicitor you'll see that.

Freefalling123 · 15/10/2017 22:42

Just in bed and hoping for uninterrupted sleep as I’m exhausted

I can’t even describe how much stronger I’m feeling having read all your comments. I guess I had a little tiny hope he might be reasonable, but I can see that won’t happen. So tough times to come, but the pain will be worth it the other side.

I’ve done some solicitor research already, and have also looked at rental properties in the nearest town, where the DC are at school.

Thank you all

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EmeraldIsle100 · 23/10/2017 09:44

Hi OP just Heckington in to say hi. I hope things are still moving forward. You can do it!

shushpenfold · 23/10/2017 09:49

Freefalling; good luck, keep positive a dcas others have said, here’s to the next 24 without abuse.

BewareOfDragons · 23/10/2017 09:59

It takes two to want to be in a relationship. You don't have that here. He will see that eventually, although you're going to have to just go ahead and do it before he reaches that point. You don't deserve to put up with his vileness, his accusations, his shitty behaviour and threats.

The next time he threatens to blackmail you with threats of suicide, contact the appropriate services.Let them deal with him

You really do need to do this. It would clearly be best for all of you.

Good luck, OP.

Cricrichan · 23/10/2017 10:10

You need to split, for all your sakes. When he accuses you of stuff just ignore him. You don't have to defend yourself. Tell him that you no longer love him. You don't have to go into why. You're never going to be able to reason with him, so don't.

See a solicitor and take it from there and if your children have to relocate, they'll be fine. It'll be a lot nicer for them to live in a nice and peaceful home.

ItsNachoCheese · 23/10/2017 10:17

Id do whatever you can to get away from him. He sounds awful who holds on to something that happened 24yrs ago? Thats not normal

ferando81 · 23/10/2017 10:19

He sounds very insecure and finding hidden sexy underwear exacerbates his insecurity.
You both need therapy ,you to improve your self esteem and your husband to understand the damage he is doing to his family.
If he rejects that option leave .

misscph1973 · 23/10/2017 10:24

You have a very unhealthy dynamic in your relationship, OP. But I can understand why it became that way. It's easy to fool yourself that you "have" to do this, that you "have" to stay.

Best of luck.

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