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Emotional affair(s) and other deceit - can we come back from this?

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fretfulsmarties · 27/09/2017 11:32

NCed for this, but am a regular poster.

I'm in a same sex marriage (just to clear any pronoun confusion up). DW and I have recently come close to divorcing. Last year I found some messages to a man online, graphic sexual ones, though it never went beyond online, I know that from the messages themselves. I confronted her, she initially blamed me for being preoccupied with our baby (I'd recently had one) but eventually conceded that while it wasn't cheating, it was inappropriate. I disagree, I think it counts as cheating. She also said, not just in the heat of the moment, but weeks later, that if I hadn't have read the messages then I wouldn't have known so it was my fault.

Then several months ago, I found out that she'd got a load of debt hidden from me. She told me that some of it had gone on bailing out her eldest daughter, told me some figures and how much SD was paying back. The rest of the debt is foolish spending apparently, and she is trying to get on track with that. This is the point at which I nearly divorced her. There is also a lot of drinking going on, which she is also trying to reduce.

We have agreed to give things 'one last go' because I was ready to divorce and she wasn't and she begged and pleaded for me to stay. To my mind this is not one last go, that was the previous time, but I was adamant that this time really is. That was a month ago and we are supposed to be doing marriage guidance but she has yet to book it - it's offered through her work so she has to do it and keeps forgetting.

In the last few weeks she has been glued to her phone, constantly texting and I knew by her face it was something no good, a secretive guilty look. Then she was showing me and some others a video, got a notifcation on the top and snatched her phone away to answer it. When I leaned over she shielded the phone from me and said 'can't I have any privacy?'. She talks about this friend from work all the time, and has that same face on as when she's texting, it's kind of a smile disguised and guilty looking.

She was going out with the same friend, all already arranged and half-arsedly invited me, so I agreed to come along. I had a feeling I was calling her bluff, that she wouldn't expect me to go. 20 minutes later, she said the friend couldn't make it as she had an appointment. I suggested going another time, but she has shrugged that off. I asked later about the friend and why she was texting so much and got fobbed off with some wishy washy answer about her having difficulties with her family and needing support.

So I looked at her messages. I know it's wrong, but I knew something was amiss. The messages about meeting up are followed by DW cancelling it because 'fretful wants to come, how awkward would that be, lol' and shock smilies, other woman replies with 'fuck I'm not coming then!'. Shortly after my questioning about the friend, DW had sent another text, saying 'fretful has been asking suspicious questions, we need to cool it. I know nothing is really going on as such, and you're straight but you know how attractive I find you and I think she's going to pick up on that. You'll always be one of my best friends but I need to put fretful first.' All other messages in the conversation thread have been deleted, even though she never deletes text conversations, going back months.

The other thing I found, though, was a conversation with her eldest daughter, dated just after I confronted DW about her debts. It tells SD that she has told me about the extra money she bailed her out with, then goes on to explain what she told me, ie how much she paid, where the money had come from, how much SD is paying back, and telling SD to 'just go along with this'. So basically, when we had our 'full cards on the table' honesty thing about money and this debt bailout, she was yet again lying, and also telling SD to lie to me. I found other messages about other things she had told SD to keep quiet from me.

The SDs are very much my children too, I have raised them in our home since they were very young and I and DW are the only parents they have, their father is absent. Initially I was furious about the stuff with the other woman, but as I think about it I am more furious about the stuff with SD. The other woman is a fleeting thing, but the constant encouraging to keep things from me is severely damaging to my relationship with my SDs. I've had a lot of disrespect and cheek from the eldest SD lately and I'm beginning to realise that this is partly being fuelled by her mother telling her to lie to me. I feel like a fucking mug, 15 years of my life being a parent to her children - really hands on, doing a lot of the wifework/mumwork, and this is what I get.

As for the other woman - it might only be a flirty thing, but this was meant to be last ditch attempt for her to keep me, and yet she's still carrying this on behind my back? She's only curtailed it because she thinks I am suspicious.

I haven't spoken to her about any of it yet. Part of me thinks maybe to push for the counselling and bring it up then. Part of me wants to throw things in her face and tell her to go fuck herself.

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hellsbellsmelons · 27/09/2017 11:39

Part of me wants to throw things in her face and tell her to go fuck herself
I'd be doing this.
The disrespect she is showing you is massive.
You've given her many chances.
Time to follow through on your ultimatums otherwise she will continue.
Could you do this on your own?
Have a look at maintenance, benefits etc...
Take it from there.
She's a liar and a cheat.
I also consider EA's as cheating.

Sadlady77 · 27/09/2017 11:45

Oh my goodness I feel so bad for you. Your DW sounds awful. Honestly it sounds like she has no respect for you and no intention of changing her ways. I can't see that there is much hope for this relationship

fretfulsmarties · 27/09/2017 12:23

The thing is though, she's going to turn around on me for looking through her messages. She did last time. It takes me off the moral high ground.

I could leave. It would be quite shit but I know I can afford it. I'd have to move back to where I grew up as I have limited support around here.

She's loving and attentive at other times and I keep seeing the person she was when we were happy.

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JackietheBackie · 27/09/2017 12:28

She is emotionally abusive. She lies to you, encourages your children to lie to you and she makes you out to be a neurotic fool to her side piece. You have given her chance after chance. I think lots of people would find it hard to forgive how she has treated you.

27Feb · 27/09/2017 12:38

Oh goodness, she's behaving badly. Especially with the kids - she shouldn't be getting SD to lie to you. That's actually super unfair on you both. And the repeat nature makes it worse. I'm normally not a LTB person, but I think you'd be very much in your rights to do so. How the hell does she expect you to come back from all this?

And I don't care if her friend is straight! That's not the point. The secrecy and lying and weird "wouldn't this be awkward" is!

Isetan · 27/09/2017 14:16

Wow she really is quite the catch. Moral high ground, really Op? If thats what's stopping you from showing this woman the door, then you really can't see the wood for the trees.

You have given her second and third chances and she's still being disrespectful. Her begging your forgiveness was the extent of her appeasement and given her subsequent actions, she doesn't plan on being any less loathsome than before.

hellsbellsmelons · 27/09/2017 16:01

when we were happy.
WERE, WERE, WERE, WERE!
You aren't happy now.
From what you have written there is not coming back from this.

SandyY2K · 27/09/2017 16:27

If you confront ..she begs
..you forgive ...she'll hide it better next time.

She's wrong and she's deceiving you.

I'd tell her to forget about the counselling. It's clear she doesn't want it and agreed to appease you.

GeriT · 27/09/2017 17:32

If you can truly forgive and she can stop doing what she is doing - then you have a chance.

She will have break any ties to the OW (she probably thinks its an emotional connection but that bullshit. It's just new attention. The novelty will wear off and by too much damage will have been done) and once she has you can go to counselling and move forward.

Ultimately, it's down to you two individuals. It will be hard to rebuild the trust and will probably take years.

But you have to make sure you don't throw it back in her face when times are tense.

Everyone has an opinion on how bad or good a marriage is. It's not until you are living in the situation that you understand what it is that you value!

Do what's right for you..even if that means confronting her!

MyBrilliantDisguise · 27/09/2017 17:37

You need to leave. She's shown a complete lack of respect for a long time and this cannot be recovered.

You sound lovely and honestly, she sounds bloody awful.

GlitteryFluff · 27/09/2017 17:42

What are you getting out of the relationship?
Sounds like nothing but trouble.
I'd get rid.

LilyMcClellan · 27/09/2017 18:06

Time to ditch the bitch, OP.

She has been completely and utterly disrespectful towards you, and she's treating her "last chance" as a joke. Between blaming you for her emotional affair, overspending, lying about the repayments, undermining you and now embarking on a second deceitful relationship, it's clear she doesn't really value you as a partner. (I'm sorry - you sound nice.)

I wouldn't bother having a big conversation about it. She's obviously good at tugging on your heartstrings/playing the guilt card to get you to do what she wants.

I'd get all my ducks in a row, and then when you're literally ready to walk out the door, sit her down and tell her you just don't think it's working, and you're done. Stop asking her to book the counselling... I guarantee you she won't do it off her own bat, and that will tell you all you need to know about how invested she is in your relationship.

GlitterSparkles17 · 27/09/2017 19:25

She goes mad that you look at her phone to take the attention away from the fact she's doing things she shouldn't be behind your back, oldest trick in the book, she will continue to do this no matter how many chances you give her. You need to follow through on your ultimatums

fretfulsmarties · 27/09/2017 21:26

It's really hard, to leave means to move away, leaving the few friends I have here, back to where I grew up and I've lost contact with my friends up there, just drifted over the years and I'm terrible at making new friends.

It's my only long term relationship and the thought of leaving the only person who I've ever been close to is heartbreaking. I know she'll be devastated too and will plead with me to stay. We've been getting on better since I told her she had one last chance, regaining emotional intimacy and spending more time together, she's turned a corner in other ways (the drinking was a big issue and that's lessened).

But I don't know how I'd ever not be able to snoop on her again (assuming she was stupid enough to not lock down her accounts). Because I genuinely believed her this time and she still went behind my back. I don't know how I'd deal with the SCs knowing that she lies to me and encourages them to do the same. That's the bit I'd find hardest to reconcile. I'm considering doing the counselling but even if we do somehow sort things out, how is she going to fix my relationship with the SCs.

I don't think I know how to leave. Not practically, I get that. But to break this bond, to walk away from her. She's been my best friend as well as my wife.

I know you are all right, my head tells me to just do the sensible thing and get out but how do you make your heart listen?

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