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A long one..

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Adrift17 · 17/09/2017 08:42

Brew I expect this will be long. Thanks to anyone who makes it through and takes time to reply. I'll try and speed it up by just setting out the facts quickly.

  • abusive childhood which included horrible sexual abuse which affects me now.
-no longer have any contact with parents (perpetrators) sibling relationships are strained and kind of just "exist" rather than anything solid. -married ten years with two small children to a man who I love deeply. He's always been my fun, drama free escape.
  • stresses of life and two children later, our relationship is unrecognisable and has taken a turn for the worst the past two years.

I have always had issue with sex. In the early days of our relationship I was able to maintain a relationship and a healthy sex life. Prior I had never managed to have both. Was either emotionally invested but couldn't have sex, or was meaningless sex and nothing more.

However, our sex drive has always been mismatched and as time has gone on with having the children we basically just don't. In the years gone by DH never nagged or put me under pressure. But I understand that he is now at the end of his patience and is unsatisfied. He feel unloved - I am tired and busy and I withdraw from showing affection because I feel Under pressure of the expectation of sex and the inevitable falling out when I say no. I want to have a healthy sex life with my husband but it's like a mental block. I am due to start therapy this month and I will finally try to deal with this but I think it's too little too late in terms of it benefiting my relationship but I know I need to do it for myself too as the cycle of ignoring my issues and then it coming to a head again- huge anxiety, nightmares etc.

I feel that my safe place has gone. DH has always found it hard to deal with my emotions. When I finally broke down and spelled out what my issue was, he quizzed me about the specifics of the abuse, like he was trying to determine "how bad" it was. He often just walks away from me. This hurt so much. He always comes back to apologise and say he loves me but i feel let down and I'm not sure I can forgive how he reacted . I feel emotionally exhausted from trying to explain myself ..... how I feel.. that all relationships suffer with small children and that I'm just trying to survive these years etc.

We are almost at logger heads. He thinks if we have sex more, our relationship will be a happy one and improve. I think we need to fix our relationship (we argue all the time now) and the sex will follow. I can't have sex with someone I feel absolutely infuriated with. Sometimes I'm so I dunno. I don't even know if I like him anymore. Then we will have a good spell and I remember why I love him so much. Our home life is not a happy one. This breaks my heart as it's so far from what once was. He had a milestone birthday and seemed to hit a "peak" and suddenly his dissatisfaction was intensified and it's all been horrible since basically.

I wish I could spend time with him and we could cuddle and kiss without being made to feel like a disappointment for not following through to sex. So I avoid him. He says he feels alone and unloved and that it'll never get better and his frustration just oozes out into our lives. We have stressful jobs and various things on going in life which just add to the situation too.

Sometimes when I get stressed I tell him to just go. That I don't make him happy so just go. I put on a brave face and act like I don't care but I do. Of course. He says we don't have a relationship and I think it comes down to the fact we both love each other so much but is it just dead in the water? Neither of us want to leave but we aren't happy are we.

We had a row the other night and I said I couldn't spend my life living of edge worrying about him leaving and that he made vows. That I accept my part in this failure but I'm trying and I'm going to get help and he either needs to stand by me or go. He said he wants sex but he doesn't want to be alone. I keep playing this over in my head now.

Additionally I have never ever felt an ounce of worry about the solidity of our relationship, someone close to us recently had a massive affair and he said things like he could see how it would happen etc, and now I feel angry inside that I feel there's a seed of doubt that's been planted. Like if I don't start having sex the amount he wants soon he'll find someone else. He knows if he ever cheats I will never forgive. Especially not when I've given him ample chances to leave if he's unhappy.

I want us to survive but I also don't want to ruin his life by keeping him in an unhappy marriage if I'm ultimately not the right person for him. He says he loves me and he doesn't want to split. Sometimes he cries. I feel a cruel person. Making him feel like this. But I cannot help these issues deep inside of me.

I don't feel like I know him anymore, like I can't read him. There's resentment on both sides. I feel let down and I'm frustrated by how our parenting is because we are both frustrated with life. I want a happy home. If I could flick a switch and be better and a normal and be the wife he wants I would.

Anyways. That was long despite my attempts. He used to be such a calm and funny man who just made light bright. I think I've made him depressed and he suffers some anxiety suddenly. I think I've ruined his onde unconditional love for me and I am scared at where we will end up. Either alone, or trundling on for years in an happy marriage.

So. There we go. I hope I haven't drip fed, and I'm not sure what I'm asking. Maybe I just need some reassurance of some sort.

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DinnaeKnowShitFromClay · 17/09/2017 09:22

I think you would benefit massively from couples counselling. You can get your point across under controlled conditions and so can he. If he won't attend, go on your own. Neither of you are wrong (or right).

Adrift17 · 17/09/2017 10:06

He refuses to go. He says the issues are caused by me alone and only I can fix.

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Hermonie2016 · 17/09/2017 10:06

I think you are right and you are in danger of a downward spiral.You are both talking of leaving and this adds to the negativity.I think if you can try to use more positive language it may help you both to feel secure.

I guess from his side he is wondering if life will ever change, will this just get worse and if he's not had intimacy for a long time it's soul destroying.I'm glad you are getting help, try to be more tactile around him if you can, even hugs in situations you feel safe knowing sex wont follow.He seems to be a good man who has supported you.

Adrift17 · 17/09/2017 13:26

Yes I acknowledge this Hermonie.. my main focus recently has been to being 'open' so not instantly rebuffing him when he approaches me and saying no less. This means we've actually been had more frequent intimate encounters so to speak, but it's not enough for him. Then when he inevitably gets annoyed again, I feel myself instantly pulling away and closing myself off again... and so the cycle continues.

He is a good man yes. No one is perfect, and I have tried to be really honest and fair in my OP because I didn't want him coming across wrong. He's been patient for a long time.

Often I read here that mismatched sex drives need to call it a day, but we have ten years of history and the love is deep. And I can't be sure if I truly have a low sex drive because it's muddied by the mental health implications of my history.

Despite the threats (both sides) .. and the hurt, DH admits he doesn't and can't see us splitting. Which offers me some reassurance... but I don't want to be responsible for someone's misery. So i try to remain realistic.

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Trampoline11 · 17/09/2017 14:01

I wouldn't leave just yet. Wait until you've had your baby. It may not be exciting, but you sound very loved. I think that's so important - don't you? You do sound depressed if that's ok to say? I had an early menopause, hormones all over the place etc and it made me think some really strange things. I also did some strange things (I'm not suggesting you are). Take care of yourself x

Adrift17 · 17/09/2017 14:44

Trampoline I think you may be on the wrong thread!

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Trampoline11 · 17/09/2017 15:22

I think you may be right! Ooops

EternalOptimistToo · 17/09/2017 15:39

You have one big issue there and it isn't your past and your issue with sex.
It's the simple issue that he sees the problems only coming from yOU and NOT from him. That he is all whiter than white and it's all down to you - read all your fault for refusing to have sex with him. As if this was a due because you are his wife.

What you are describing is what a lot of couples are going through with young children. And the asner is to pull through TOGETHER wo putting all the blame into your partner.

I agree that couple counselling would be the obvious answer.
He might have to learn to listen to you more, support you (eg with the dcs, HW etc.. so you are not so exhausted and don't feel taken for granted). He might well have to learn to spend time together cuddling wo it always being a sign for sex.
You might want to carry in exploring you own issues, accept that it's OK fo r him to ask for sex, make an effort to spend time with him again and recreate the intimacy (esp as you will enjoy it too).
All the ideas about having a date night, spending nice time together but wonte iresaure of sex after etc...

If he absolutely refuse to go to couple counselling, then go in your own. But tell him it's about couple counselling so his side will always be missing. (Aka he can't make you responsible for the fall out if he isn't putting some effort too)

Hidingtonothing · 17/09/2017 16:27

I would start your therapy before you even try to come to any kind of decision about your marriage. I also think you would benefit massively from couples therapy but understand that you're hitting a brick wall with DH on that one. I wonder if he could see your therapy starting to make a difference he might reconsider, maybe even tell him your therapist has recommended it for you both.

But start your therapy, I'll be honest I think he bears more responsibility than either of you are currently seeing for where you've ended up, I don't think it can all be blamed on your childhood abuse and he could certainly be handling it better now.

The comment about it being your problem to fix is unkind and unhelpful, any problem which affects your marriage should be something you both make an effort to fix. I would focus on doing your 'part', which seems to be what he's asking of you, and see where that leaves you. I suspect he also has work to do on himself but he may not see that until you've 'fixed' everything you possibly can and his weaknesses become obvious.

Adrift17 · 18/09/2017 07:32

Eternal yes I do feel that he has an inability to accept his part. I think he feels justified because he wouldn't be like this if I wasn't how I am.

Aside from the logistics of getting to counselling with busy jobs and small children, I think I could force him to go with enough nagging- but I want him to go voluntarily. If I force him then what's the point.

DH grew up very differently to I. He comes from a financially secure, happy loving household with a long line of happy "till death do us part" marriages. He's never suffered great trauma or difficult times and I actually just don't think he's emotionally equipped to deal with complex issues. He just shuts off and walks away. I get extremely upset and then several hours later he will seek me out and say sorry and that "I know how he is" and yes I do, but I wish he could give me what I need emotionally.

Since I have no family our little unit is all I have. I am stubborn enough that I wont cling helplessly no matter how devestared I'd be for it to end, if it's dead in the water. But I will be alone.

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