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I need help broaching this subject with my friend

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Windbeneathmybingowings · 07/09/2017 13:02

My friend of many years has totally changed recently. She has been unhappy in her marriage for around 5 years and her family's mental health is now suffering as a result. A lot of this she blames on her husband but I know what she is also culpable, both are unfaithful and it is dead in the water. I suspect she doesn't leave because it's too daunting and he is extremely generous financially.

Since around June last year she has become an entirely different person. Whenever I see her she tells me the same stories about her husbands mistreatment of her, and this dominates he conversation every single time we have met up. This was fine before, I was happy to listen and gently try and encourage her to take some positive action for the sake of her and her family's mental health. But I have had quite a stressful year and yet still she now either can't meet up because she is busy with her squeeze and when she does see me, she still dominates the time without asking me how I am at all. She barely acknowledged my surprise pregnancy at Christmas (I was quite fr along when I found out), I have had a huge family bereavement this year that rocked us all, and my husband lost his job. She never asked about that at all.

Anyway this week I texted her about a holiday I've booked. For us this is quite a thing as we don't go away often. She didn't really say anything that I would expect a friend to say like "oh that's great after the year you've had" or "have a great time". She complained that she never gets to enjoy her holidays (3+ a year, abroad, paid for entirely by husband, she doesn't work) and that her parents never offer to help her so she doesn't get any time to herself (she goes out 2x a month for dinner with family or with friends) and how that's really hard for her etc. That was it. I haven't replied because I didn't know what to say.

Obviously I have a baby so can't go drinking so I am not a priority in her life at the moment and that's fine, I understand that long term friendships go through phases etc but as neither of us work, we could meet up for lunch etc. But she is always busy and when we do I get nothing from the meeting. I feel like I have been there just to say yes or mmm in the right gaps in her conversation. I really have tried to tell her that she seems different lately but she takes this as a compliment and says that she's feeling enriched by the new people in her life i.e. new man.

Help me mumsnet, I really don't want to lose this friendship but I don't know how to voice all this without her brushing it off like she has done before? I don't want it to seem like I am being insensitive about her marriage problems but I really have stressed (non judgementally) to her that the children need to come first and that both adults need to stop playing games. It all falls on deaf ears. As her response about the holiday shows, she makes everything about her lately. It's sad, she wasn't always like this and has been a good friend to me in previous years. Do I just say nothing and wait for the inevitable fall out or have it out with her?

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Brahms3rdracket · 07/09/2017 13:11

She sounds totally self-absorbed. I wouldn't bother keeping this friendship going tbh, she sounds awfully selfish and shite company.

troodiedoo · 07/09/2017 13:15

Why don't you want to lose the friendship? Is it just because you've been friends for a long time?

She gives nothing back and is unlikely to start anytime ever. I'd just gradually fade away rather than a big showdown.

Windbeneathmybingowings · 07/09/2017 13:23

I don't want to give it up because she has been in my life for so many years, and this is quite a recent thing. I know it's a year but in terms of our friendship, that's not long. And if she does ever leave him, she's going to need support.

She has never judged me either and has always been the one to give me the "face reality" chat when I've needed it.

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mymycherrypie · 07/09/2017 13:45

I would gradually fade away as well. She's giving you nothing back when you needed support so don't feel guilty about not being there for her.

Shumpalumpa · 07/09/2017 13:49

There's no friendship here, sorry.

Nothing we can suggest will make her a friend to you.

Find your self-worth and seek better friends.

misscph1973 · 07/09/2017 13:55

My mum was like this when she and my father divorced. Everything was about her miserable life and my awful father - for 10 f*cking years! She lost a lot of friends and I was NC for 5 years with her. You could not have a normal conversation with her, and she had no interest in anything but her own pain.

I don't think you will get much out of it, but do tell her what you have described. She will probably get really upset and never speak to you again. Do not waste any more time on her, life is too short.

Huskylover1 · 07/09/2017 13:56

Hmm. I had a "friend" like this too. Once she had a child, she changed overnight, and every single sentence contained the name of her child. She is still the same 19 years later. Some big life events for me, she hasn't been there or mentioned it (divorce/weight loss/death of pet). I no longer consider her a friend. Honestly, drop her asap. She doesn't care about you AT ALL.

Windbeneathmybingowings · 07/09/2017 14:02

misscph1973 I think you have hit the nail on the head about why I don't want to be too direct. She will get upset and then the story will go that I was responsible for a fall out.

Are there no friendships that have come back from this type d situation though? I'm still thinking she might go back to the lovely friend she was before. Could she be depressed and going though a down phase?

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picklemepopcorn · 07/09/2017 14:06

Just distance yourself until she returns to her old self- if she ever does. You can't change her, but you can change your expectations of her. She isn't your old friend at the moment. All you can do is wait.

TheNaze73 · 07/09/2017 14:23

She'll sap you of energy if you continue to see her. Howvsekf absorbed is she?
Don't make a song & dance about it, I'd slowly shuffle off into the distance. This is done

Windbeneathmybingowings · 07/09/2017 15:44

Part of me wonders if she is enjoying the drama of her husband being the bad guy while this new man is the hero who 'saves her'. And while I can understand her wanting to talk about that, she never stops going on about it. She's not been happy for years but never does anything to improve her situation, all while the kids are growing up in an unhappy home. Lately she is very much the victim while forgetting that I know the real stories (as she's told me them so many times!) Its very draining giving the same advice over and over again, and nothing ever changes.

I think I do need to step back and just see what happens. She isn't a friend at the moment, you are all right.

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IamPickleRick · 07/09/2017 16:46

Oh yes, she will be loving rehashing the drama of her affair but don't let it be at your expense, bingo. Friendship goes two ways.

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