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Struggling to know if IABU with my sister

24 replies

Witsender · 02/09/2017 09:17

My younger sister and I rub along fine, but are not close. We used to be, but mainly because before I got married, had kids etc I was happy to bend in whichever direction she wanted and ignore the various jibes and digs. If you speak to my parents she has always felt second best, but is quite the golden child really.

Anyway, I struggle to maintain boundaries when she appears, she is not the type to take no for an answer so despite our not getting on brilliantly, and she and my husband just about being civil she is very good at laying on guilt trips if you don't do what she wants.

Case in point is this weekend...she messaged late last night to say she was around this weekend (doesn't live in our town, but see her every few weeks) and what were we up to. I replied saying that we were around on Sunday afternoon after a birthday party, what were her plans.

Convo goes on as follows (paraphrasing)
Her: Oh right, what are you doing tomorrow?
Me: I have work until mid avo but definitely free Sunday afternoon.
Her: Oh, I see. What about the children? What are they doing?
Me: Not sure, DH will be taking them out I expect.
Her: I'll meet up with him then, what are they doing?
Me: I don't know, it is easiest to stick to Sunday. Why don't you join us for Sunday lunch?
Her: That sounds good, thanks. But tomorrow, why don't I come round and take the kids out?

Cue me head banging the nearest wall. And then I don't know whether I am just hyper sensitive to her and her ways and that makes me put up more boundaries than normal, or whether she is actually being quite rude and steamroller like in her refusal to accept that others sometimes won't do what she wants them to do?

My family has a history of not respecting boundaries and being over involved, so I do have to work hard to try keep some semblance of separation. And tbh, I find my sister hard work. She is hugely negative and the whole world is always against her, last time I saw her she quite literally didn't say a word unless she was directly asked about something relating to her, no casual joining in with chat etc.

My husband is hugely supportive of me and has seen how the various odd dynamics in our family have caused me issues over the years, so is very much of the opinion that she is unreasonable. But then I worry that actually someone impartial would say that I am being unfair, not her. And that I should feel sorry for her.

As it turns out I now don't have to work potentially, so in theory could message her to meet up. But DH and the kids had a lovely plan for the morning that I would far rather do, and like most families with work we don't get a whole day together until the weekends. I would invite her, but then the whole trip turns into placating her and keeping her happy, she doesn't just muck in

I always doubt myself when it comes to my family, and feel ferociously guilty if I don't do whatever they want.

So tell me, is she pushing it a bit too hard in the above scenario? Or is this a normal sibling thing and I am being too over protective?

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Gemini69 · 02/09/2017 09:31

say NO x

AlternativeTentacle · 02/09/2017 09:34

I agree. Unless she is actually going back on Sunday, in which case she should have originally said she was around on Saturday only.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 02/09/2017 09:39

"My family has a history of not respecting boundaries and being over involved"

Your sister is simply continuing that dysfunctional dynamic that started in childhood with your parents (and likely before then as well).

Your boundaries are still too low re your sister (that is not surprising really since you were perhaps raised yourself to put your own self last) and she is taking advantage of your good nature. People from dysfunctional families end up playing roles; what has your role been here?.

Do you actually get anything positive out of continuing a relationship at all with your sister?. Doesn't sound like it. And no you are neither being too sensitive or too over protective either. You are the parents here and you need to protect your children from malign influences like their aunt.

The phrases, "no we have plans" and "no that does not work for us" should be used by you far more often. Of course she is pushing too hard, she is ignoring your boundaries and pushing forward her agenda and intention to see your children when it is not convenient for you people.

I am impartial here and I do not think you should feel sorry for her either; she certainly does not feel sorry for you and she has put the boot into you more often than not when you were children as well. The golden child role is indeed a role here not without price either but she is treating you seemingly the same from back then too. You're her whipping boy.

Fear, obligation and guilt are but three of many damaging legacies such dysfunctional families leave their now adult children. I would also suggest you post and read the "well we took you to Stately Homes" thread on these pages.

feebeecat · 02/09/2017 09:44

Stick to your guns! She can't text late last night and expect you to change all your plans - she must have known she would be around earlier?
What does your DH say? I know mine would not change plans he had made to spend time with dc, especially if involved hanging out with a dementor - we have one or two flying around this way too Grin

Looneytune253 · 02/09/2017 09:46

Ah bless, from reading that though it does just seem she had Saturday in her head to see you guys. I couldn't see the point in deliberately excluding her when she could've done something with the kids. And now you've got plans and you're also not at work you're deliberately not ringing her and asking her to come? Seems a bit petty on your side. I often plan (in my head) what I'd like to do with my weekend days. I have an idea of how the weekend will go then I confirm it with the others. I can see why your sis might have wanted to keep to the Saturday.

regularbutpanickingabit · 02/09/2017 09:52

In those text messages you talk about Sunday but don't explicitly say that saturday is not possible. If she's tunnel visioned about Saturday then she could have read the texts as just you not answering about Saturday.

Witsender · 02/09/2017 09:58

That's my fear. She asked what we were doing this weekend and I said we were free on Sunday but busy tomorrow, which I thought was clear enough. I'm happy for her to do something with the kids this afternoon now I am not working, but the dynamic just doesn't work for a whole day out.

I'm waiting for the inevitable texts from my mum asking what we are doing, and why can't my sister come, how disappointed sis is etc. And then the quieter disapproval from my dad when I see him. It always strikes me that I am supposed to do what I don't want to do to keep her happy, but it wouldn't occur to anyone to suggest that it works both ways. We are 36 and 33 for the record, not 6 and 3. 😂

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Squeegle · 02/09/2017 10:04

She should have rung earlier, and it's still fine for you to say you're busy - what's she doing on Sunday that she can't come for lunch? Turn it round and ask her!

TokenGinger · 02/09/2017 10:07

From the OP, it sounds like she's wanting to see the children. If she doesn't live in town, is it not possible for your DH to do what he has planned another weekend with the DC, let her take the children as she's asking, and you and DH have a date day?

I obviously don't know the history and ongoing problems you and your sister have, but it seems quite sweet she's asking to have the kids. I think if I lived away from my nieces and nephews, I'd love to take them out when in town, too.

Of course, you should not feel obliged to change plans at short notice for her though. I just wondered if you and DH could benefit from her offer.

Minkyfluffster · 02/09/2017 10:08

Stop giving so much info? Sorry we are busy Saturday, I am working. That's it. Ignore your mums messages.

emilybrontescorset · 02/09/2017 10:09

I think your sister is unreasonable.
You have told her you can see her Sunday she either accepts that or waits until another time.

TheDuckSaysMoo · 02/09/2017 10:12

Reading your OP doesn't make it clear that you are all busy on Saturday. It reads as if there are no firm plans for dh and the kids. I think you need to be firmer in the words you use with her.

smilingeyes79 · 02/09/2017 10:14

Less is more in situations like this. I have historically been the flexible family member / friend, never getting anything I want done at the weekend because of last minute calls / texts. Now I just say just say I'm busy / have plans and say what I can do .... it took a few times to changes people's way of thinking but now expectations are more realistic and my free time is being respected more.

I almost felt to begin with I needed to say no to everything to make a point and now when I say yes they appreciate it iyswim

Witsender · 02/09/2017 10:17

She's coming for lunch tomorrow, just wants to do something today as well. I might suggest she sees the kids this avo when we get back.

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Goodasgoldilox · 02/09/2017 10:18

You have made things clear to your sister - and are ready to welcome her tomorrow.

Now - turn your phone off. Go out with your family and leave the phone behind!

Crispbutty · 02/09/2017 10:23

Could she not be invited to join in with you all this afternoon. It sounds to me like she's trying to make an effort but you are not too willing to build bridges.

Witsender · 02/09/2017 10:35

She does make an effort to an extent, but only on her terms. So she will talk about herself or nothing. And won't be in touch until she is here and wants to be entertained.

I know I sound stubborn, and it is a big fear of mine that I am. I just find it hard to relax around her as there is so much history, I feel like I get sniped at, and spend my days defending myself. I can't get past the past.

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RandomMess · 02/09/2017 10:51

I would text her and say, our plans have changed so if you want to come around today after x let me know.

She is def the golden child and you need to stand up to your parents as much as your sister - easier said then done!

Witsender · 02/09/2017 11:03

Ha, very true. Smile

I've taken the advice on here and told her I'm no longer working but will be out this morning, she's welcome to come round when we are back and take kids to park or whatever.

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ItsInTheDogsMouth · 02/09/2017 11:04

It seems like the problem is that you think you've been clear in your communications that sat doesn't work for you, but have offered Sunday as an alternative. However, she is not receiving that message ( for whatever reason), so you will need to be more clear. "Sat is out, but let's meet Sunday". No excuses for why sat doesn't work, (excuses give her the chance to argue her way in). I am having to learn to handle my (very pushy) MIL in this way, but it's hard as i feel very firm boundaries sound rude, but i have a phrase i repeat in my head when dealing with her..."normal rules dont apply" , because she refuses to pick up on 'normal' cues in a conversation and just keeps bullying away until she gets what she wants. Good luck in dealing with her, practise makes perfect....

SeaCabbage · 02/09/2017 11:13

I don't understand why even after this thread you have now given in to her demands.

Surely the whole point of the thread was to have support in sticking towhat you wanted, ie seeing her tomorrow.

she only contacted you last night for god's sake. you are busy. You have free time on Sunday.

Why are you rewarding her bad behaviour?

TokenGinger · 02/09/2017 11:19

How is it a demand? I feel like OP's sister is getting a hard time here.

OP said she was working. It looks like her sister's response thinks she's doing her a favour by asking what the kids are doing. She's asking to take them out. I don't see how that is a demand.

Witsender · 02/09/2017 11:20

Cause I have spent a lifetime feeling sorry for her for various reasons. At the moment, she is the family victim because she doesn't like her job and can't find a partner when she wants to settle down. I have a lovely husband and kids and am always being told how hard that is for her etc.

I know how frustrating my capitulation must be, but even putting a caveat in is a big step forward from my previous 'just roll over' behaviour.

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Angelf1sh · 02/09/2017 12:29

I don't think your OP was particularly clear either tbh. Other than saying you had to work this morning, you were fairly vague about what was happening today. I'd say she thought she was offering to do something nice for you/your kids by offering to take them out whilst you were at work. If it happens again, I think you need to be more specific-we can't do Saturday, but Sunday is fine - and take it from there. I think you were both being fractionally unreasonable and only following your own train of thought.

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