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Would you be concerned about friend?

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DownstairsMixUp · 29/08/2017 11:05

First of all just want to say, my friend, up to this point, has been reliable and never let me down, I need to put that here so this makes sense.

We have been best friends for six years now, in this time she has been in another long term relationship and was still a brilliant friend, never once backed out of plans etc.

A friend has recently met a new man. They met in February this year so still early days. Within two weeks, her boyfriend had declared love. She does not want children and he did, within three weeks he said that he would give up having kids as he couldn't live without my friend. Obviously, she is my best friend and I think she is brilliant but it didn't feel right for me. She is 26 and he is 27 so it's not like a couple of teenagers. She told me she said it back to him (I love you) but wasn't sure and felt she had to say it back. I felt like this was a massive red flag but didn't say anything.

New years eve 2016 me and her booked a week holiday for my 30th birthday this year (we are going today) obviously she was single at the time, I am married but very much looking forward to it. I've been excited too, haven't been abroad for a couple of years. Last week she suddenly said she didn't have enough money and would have to cancel. Very unlike her, she is off several times a year and saves fine. I said ok, I'll try to sell the holiday on a buy sell group but by the time the admin fees are gone and it being such short notice I doubt we'd get much money back. She suddenly backed down and found the money.

Since February I have seen her twice. We usually see each other twice a month (I work in health care, she does nights but we've always managed) and we message most days, now, rarely. Last week we were meant to go to the cinema and she texts to say she couldn't go as I was getting ready. Yesterday night she was meant to stay over before leaving today for the holiday to do my nails (She can do them gel nails) again, let me down last night. On the way back from the airport we had planned to have a breakfast (we land early) then just mooch around the airport and get the train home, now her partner is coming to collect us. This is fine, but this keeps happening, we visited Ireland on the one rare time I saw her and he again insisted on picking us up. When he met us at arrivals, he didn't even look at me, said hi to my friend, she went to the toilet and we stood and waited for her. I asked how he had been and he mumbled a reply then walked off to the shop. Very odd. As we walked to the car he then grabbed her and snogged with me standing there like a lemon, she has always been anti-PDA anyway so this was just awful.

The car journey home was excruciating, she kept speaking to me every so often but he didn't say a word.

The two times I have seen her as well since then she is non-stop on her phone, she has never been like this, rarely logs into FB or any social media. Since she met him the phone is super glued to her. We only went away three nights to Ireland and he phoned every night and they'd be on the phone an hour each time as well as multiple snap chats/texts.

My concerns are that I think these could all be red flags of him being quite controlling? My husband is on fairly good terms with her to and says I should mention it but I don't think I should as I could be reading the situation completely wrong. Sorry, this is long, I am off to the airport at 16:30 with this friend and am already dreading the holiday as I think it will just be her on her phone all the time. Needed some wise advice from Mumsnetters!

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FruBayerischOla · 29/08/2017 11:15

Your holiday with her could be the ideal opportunity to have a heart to heart. I don't mean go in all guns blazing about him, but you'll have plenty of chances to ask how he is, how the relationship is going etc. She might well open up a bit while she's away, which might give you a chance to air your concerns diplomatically.

But if she clams up or doesn't say anything to indicate any problems, then, I'm sorry, I don't how you can raise it without causing a rift between you.

DownstairsMixUp · 29/08/2017 11:21

Thanks fru, don't be sorry, this is what I said to my husband to. He seems to think as we are best friends she will open up and tell me everything which I don't think is the case. i anticipate if I mention it and there IS a problem, she is still in the honeymoon phase and just can't see anything wrong at the moment. It sounds like a good idea to ask though, she can be very defensive but we have rarely argued, we've had two minor spats about something silly in the past six years of friendship. I am just a bit worried, it all just feels very full on very soon.

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youarenotkiddingme · 29/08/2017 11:22

Fru is right. You now have her alone and can chat. I'd avoid doing it over alcohol or even face to face over a meal as that can be intimidating.

Either whilst swimming/shopping/sunbathing or whatever you can open it up with 'so things erm serious with BF - it's been a good 6 months now' or something. Avoid questioning her directly or criticising how things are.

With airport thing you can be positive such as "it's so kind of x to collect us from airport. I was quite happy to mooch and train it" hopefully her answer will give an insight into how the arrangement came about.

DownstairsMixUp · 29/08/2017 11:26

youarenotkiddingme that's a really good idea about asking about the lift from the airport thing, I have wanted to ask but couldn't find a way to ask it without looking like I had the hump with the situation. I will let us settle in the first day and Thursday bring it up by the pool, I have a feeling she will say all is good and maybe it is, I'm hoping I'm just worrying for nothing and he is genuinely a nice guy.

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Eebahgum · 29/08/2017 11:28

I would be concerned too and think you should say something. Having been in a controlling relationship she will probably defend him initially, but your words will stay with her and reassure her she's not going mad when she has niggly feelings about her "perfect" man. Hopefully one day she'll decide she's better off without him.

FruBayerischOla · 29/08/2017 11:31

I've 'been there' with a friend and her new boyfriend a good number of years ago. We could all (good friends) see he was a wrong'un, but she couldn't. And we all knew that if any of us said anything to her just wouldn't go well at all. She subsequently married him and they got divorced a few years later.

In a recent conversation with her, she said that she half wished someone had said something at the time - but also added that if we had it would have gone down like a lead balloon with her. Her final comment was "well, I walked into it with my eyes wide open", to which I said "no you didn't, you walked into it with your eyes wide shut". She ruefully agreed with me.

Sorry, this is no help whatsoever. It's awful to see this sort of thing happening.

I agree with youare too.

numbmum83 · 29/08/2017 11:33

My Sister is in a similar situation . We went on holiday right after she got with her boyf and it was awful. She spent half the holiday in the room on video call . I basically went on holiday alone coz she would leave me by the pool to go to the room and then would be up there 2 hours.

I definitely would keep dropping into the conversation how much you miss her and you haven't seen her very much lately . Perhaps tell her how your partner was looking forward to a week on his own and couldn't wait to get rid of you, maybe it might throw up a couple of warning flags in her head .

DownstairsMixUp · 29/08/2017 11:35

Thanks EE and Fru I'm glad it's not just me, the biggest thing for me was the how he'd always wanted children and within three weeks he was saying that. He has made comments about her smoking to (sorry about the slight drip feed) She has always smoked since I knew her and, I can't remember how it came about in conversation but she said to me how he'd mentioned he'd never date a smoker and only put up with it because it was "her" again, this was like, a few weeks in. It's all roses and butterflies at the moment for her though and I respect that, all new relationships feel like that. He has already mentioned about them moving in together/marriage and I have a niggly feeling a proposal is on the cards this year.

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DownstairsMixUp · 29/08/2017 11:36

Sorry about your crap holiday numb I have a feeling mine might be similar, especially since there is free wifi at the hotel

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PregnantAndEngaged · 29/08/2017 11:58

You're right to be concerned. This sounds like classic love-bombing. And yes, it's not unusual when you get in a relationship with someone to want to spend lots of time with them and sometimes put your friends a little on the back burner during the honeymoon phase, however to keep cancelling on your best friend would indicate to me that he might be telling her he doesn't want her spending time with you.

I think he's love-bombing her to make her feel he is the most amazing man on earth and the only person she needs in her life, while trying to control her to stop seeing you so he can isolate her from others so she is completely dependent on him. At the moment it could be very difficult for her to see that this is happening, so I would use this holiday to keep planting seeds into her head that something isn't right.

Could you 'confide in her' about another 'friend' or 'family member' whom you're worried is in a controlling relationship?

PregnantAndEngaged · 29/08/2017 12:04

www.elephantjournal.com/2016/01/love-bombing-a-seductive-manipulative-technique/

Here's a link which explains love-bombing. I've been in a relationship like this myself, and even after he left me when I finally saw through him, he had a hold of my heart for years. It's only been maybe in the last 2 years that I realised that none of it was real, even though I felt my feelings for him were for so long, but what he was displaying wasn't real and nor was the personality I saw.

DownstairsMixUp · 29/08/2017 12:50

That sounds exactly like him and yes, she's had trouble with her mum to and been lonely etc, her mum has problems but she's suddenly just given up on her since the new man which is unusual and again, I keep wondering to myself is it him ? She has one other close friend who lives miles away who we went Ireland with but I could talk to her and ask what she makes of the situation? It's probably harder for her to notice as she lives 200 miles from us. Maybe that is also why he doesn't like me as I am only a mile away from where she lives so I'm never far if things turned nasty. Genuinely worried I will lose my best friend.

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DownstairsMixUp · 06/09/2017 21:23

Hi guys thanks for all the fab advice..

We just got back from holiday and unfortunately I am more certain now he is not a nice man. It was our girlie week away, I spoke to my husband every day but briefly with the odd text, each day he text her, sometimes multiple ones in a row plus hour long phone calls that really ate into our time together,,,

Other bad signs, my friend has seriously damaged her hair with bleach, it feels like candy floss and is falling out daily, I have done this and was advised to cut most of the damaged parts off (she even has a bald patch quite large and noticeable) for it to grow back. She will still look gorgeous anyway and I offered hand holding getting it cut short, since we've been home he has already convinced her not to (he doesn't like short hair on women apparentely Hmm)

I know it seems minor but she's always had a mind of her own and it's strange seeing her so easily influenced by someone she's not even known a a few months.

Also I recently passed my driving test, on the way home a woman driver let him pass when it was his right of way his reply was "what a fucking retard, it's her right of way, this is why I hate women driving" then bleated on about how women cause more accidents (not even true) this comment was deadly serious to. I do not think he is a nice man and am genuinely worried about her. :(

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FruBayerischOla · 07/09/2017 07:45

I'm sorry to hear that, Downstairs. I don't have any good suggestions, apart from just 'be there' for her. That's what I (and all of us) had to do with our friend.

Be aware that he'll possibly try to cut her off from you and her other friends, as he seems to have already done with her mother. I won't bore you with all the strategies friend's DP/DH tried to employ to cut her off from us. Although she fell for many of his suggestions initially, fortunately she eventually refused to be so manipulated. So that's when he played his trump card, proposing marriage to her. Although getting married didn't cut her off from us, I guess he felt it gave him the upper hand somehow.

Slowtrain2dawn · 07/09/2017 11:00

It might be an idea to get this moved/ post on relationships board under a title that says you want to support a friend with controlling partner. You will get a lot of good advice.

DownstairsMixUp · 07/09/2017 15:56

Thanks guys how do I edit this and move to relationships?

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tectonicplates · 07/09/2017 16:01

This man sounds like bad news indeed. Classic emotional abuse.

FruBayerischOla · 07/09/2017 17:19

Downstairs, you can report your own thread (with the Report link) and ask it to be moved to Relationships. I'll do that for you now.

DownstairsMixUp · 07/09/2017 17:41

Thanks for reporting the thread. It's scary how blinkered she is at the moment, he has convinced her (already) they will move in together within two years. She's wanted to move out for a long time so I feel this is playing with her feelings, houses here are minmimum 220k, he earns 19k and she only works part time. I explained, as gently as possible that I thought it might be unlikely he would be lent such a huge mortgage on his wages and just not to get her hopes up, she unfortunately looked more angry at me and I could feel a row coming on so I just kept quiet then. I feel like he is promising her the world and he just can't provide if you see what I mean ?

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FlissMumsnet · 07/09/2017 18:31

Hi There DownstairsMixUp,

We've just seen that the wonderful FruBayerischOla has reported for you so we'll shift your thread across to relationships right away.

Hope you find some useful support and advice.

Flowers
DownstairsMixUp · 07/09/2017 18:42

Thank you fliss

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