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Not considering his feelings

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WittgensteinsBunny · 24/08/2017 09:09

Huge argument last night. I'm really confused and can't work out where my head is today. I slept on the sofa and haven't really slept. I haven't eaten since yesterday lunchtime. He has told me that I don't consider or allow him to have feelings, that I'm cold and that I just use him as my whipping post, person to dump on. I feel deeply hurt and misunderstood because I just don't think this is true. But every story has two sides and I guess I do have a tendency to be big with emotions, difficult and angry. Maybe it's the way I'm acting in general rather than anything that's directed at him. I also think it's based on the past couple of days rather than a long period of time. I was so worn out the other day after a full day of meltdowns, that I didn't have any energy to do anything by the end of the day. I went to bed to have some quiet and down time before their bedtime as I thought he was going out. I have been phoning and face timing him in the day because I haven't known how to deal with situations with the children (DD1 hitting, kicking, screaming, shouting) and wanted some parental back up and also to show him how bad they are - it has been very hard work. Apparently, I am very wrong to do this. DH works for the family company and is the only person in his remote office. I don't think a couple of short calls for some support are a big deal. His friend thinks we should go to marriage counselling, he has been scared to raise this as he thinks he will reactivate my anxiety (diagnosed 2 years ago) and that I would think it was heading for divorce. He doesn't like feeling lonely - he often sleeps on the sofa as the girls sleep in our bed and is terrified that if I instigated divorce I would take the children with me and he'd be left on his own.

I haven't once considered divorce, I often tell him it's time for bed (he falls asleep watching TV). Last night when DD1 came in, I gave her a cuddle and told her to go back to her bed. Hearing her sobs, he said to let her in and that it's not a problem. I can't win!

Its the 6th week of the summer holiday's. I'm a SAHM. I have a 2,5 year old and 4 year old. DD1 is starting school in September and we've had a few behavioural problems over summer which I've attributed to this and to being a bit bored. I have tried so hard to keep them entertained (big days out, simple days, friends... we haven't had a day of not doing at least one activity) and to keep on top of the house. I fired our cleaner as the cost of entertaining the children plus having a cleaner who wasn't brilliant was a drain in all sorts of ways. The house is another bone of contention. I really want to move house as I feel ours is too small; DH is interested in checking things out but is finding the thought of moving on top of my rudeness / distance, the stress and tiredness from work too much. This was the start of the argument last night when he thought I was trying to convince him to move into a certain house. I guess I was looking at it more objectively and thinking of ways that we could make aspects of a horribly decorated larger house better. I do see that the extra space would be a huge bonus, the house ticks a lot of boxes and I wanted to go through the pros and cons. I knew he wouldn't;t be so keen as it's not the sort of house he wants. So, the conversation whipped up a big row. I then explained that I've been struggling with the summer holidays and that I'm tired and worn out from constantly entertaining, sorting out arguments, decluttering, tidying toys, moving things around, general housework, arranging holiday's (3 trips away - I do all packing, sorting out on top of the usual stuff), running nearly every aspect of the household, and generally sorting out everyone's stuff. I'm really very worn out. I have been drinking more than usual, although I have stopped this week, because I haven't been coping. I haven't been interested in sex, again, I'm worn out and just tired. Last night I had some suicidal thoughts - not that I would do something but more a fantasy about escape, I think. I have had these frequently during bouts of bad depression and anxiety in the past. It's like my brain can't cope any more and just wants to turn everything off.

I don't know where to start. Apparently, I don't listen, I don't allow him to complain or have feelings. If I tell him that what he's saying about me is wrong or misinterpreted I'm not letting him have his feelings. I feel utterly broken this morning.

He made breakfast for everyone and tidied the house so that I would be "Happy". I thanked him for breakfast and followed immediately with "and I tidied, so that you would be less stressed' I feel like I have to be thankful for everything. I don't feel like it is like this the other way around, like "ah, wife here are clean pants in my drawer, thank you for the clean pants" He usually says thanks for making dinner, and thanks for organising / packing holiday I appreciate it. He's a brilliant man and I love him dearly. Maybe I'm not good enough. Maybe I don't do enough.

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hellsbellsmelons · 24/08/2017 09:16

Maybe you just need a break.
Maybe marriage counselling would help.
Maybe some counselling for you would be good.
Maybe you need to get some of your life back.
Maybe a part time job would be a good idea.
Just something to get you out of the house and mixing with adults and doing something for you.

Are you on medication at the moment?
You do sound down and depressed.

WittgensteinsBunny · 24/08/2017 09:21

No, I have always refused medication. I have done lots of counselling in the past.

Thank you.

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WittgensteinsBunny · 24/08/2017 09:42

Thank you for your feedback. No, children don't melt if they are bored but they scale things, they fall off things, they drag each other around and they scream and shout and argue. They are much nicer if they are out and engaged in activities. I take your point though.

I have decided to stop calling him at work. I will email about mundane household / life stuff so that he can check in and respond when he needs to. I will respond courteously to texts, for example he has just sent a text to say "how is this morning" and I have replied "Good. Thanks x"

Interesting about the house. I guess I just feel like we're swimming in plastic / clutter - that's untrue I keep it tidy - but it feels like it's always coming in on me I am here all the time. If I were at work, it probably wouldn't bother me. I will stop nagging about the house. I think because he booked a viewing last week of something he liked, I thought it was what we're doing. For clarity, I am not completely financially dependant on him (I am a share holder with variable income) and we will be borrowing some from family plus extra mortgage for a house. I don't feel like I should be a domestic doormat. I do feel like my brain is turning to mush. Usually I write a blog and have been setting up my own company. The summer holidays and extra childcare demands (plus no help from my family due to their holidays) have really put a strain on me. I haven't done anything but cleaning, childcare and organising family stuff. Maybe things will be better once the holidays are over.

And yet, there is so much to work on with my marriage, which I thought was good and secure and mostly happy.

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Brandybunny · 24/08/2017 09:56

This is very simple, take my advice it will solve all your problems ...get back in the saddle on a regular basis. Sex in a marriage is crucial it's the glue that holds everything together it's also free. In a world thwart with economic uncertainty free sex in a marriage should be one of life certainties. I guarantee you if you start initiating sex at least every other night you will feel happier and you will be able to get your husband to do just about anything you want him to do.

hellsbellsmelons · 24/08/2017 09:56

Can you sit down and have a really honest conversation with your DH?
2 sayings to consider when having a chat.

We have 2 ears and one mouth so we can listen twice as much as we speak.

Listen and silent are spelled with the same letters - think about that.

Take it in turns to really listen to one another.

Why have you always refused medication?
It could really help just to get your brain back in balance.

Shoxfordian · 24/08/2017 09:57

Maybe you could do with some classes about child behaviour so that you can manage them on your own. Or you could use the money you're saving on the cleaner to get some childcare for a couple of days a week so you have some space.

I think you and your husband could benefit from some relate therapy or relationship counselling. Also it seems you could separately benefit from this.

Can you find somewhere else to work even at a coffee shop to get away from the house? I think you could do with somewhere to sort out your thoughts.

Hont1986 · 24/08/2017 10:33

He wants to sleep in the same bed, he wants to improve the relationship with counselling, he wants to have sex, he wants you to be less stressed, he wants to be thanked... I think above all he wants to be wanted.

Are you demonstrating to him that you are pleased with your life, and him in it, in any regular ways? Perhaps you don't feel that way at the moment, in which case counselling and possible medication could help.

WittgensteinsBunny · 24/08/2017 10:51

Thank you for your comments - it appears that I'm at fault and need to take action in some way. Perhaps I'll self refer back to the mental health team, DH didn't want me to take meds last time (I was keen but anxious about DD). Behaviour classes sounds sensible. Marriage councelling sounds pretty vital.

I feel a little bit sad that all of my efforts arent considered. I booked us a night away / meal for our anniversary in July, sorted out childcare, made lots and lots of effort. I reckon 5/7 nights I ask him to come up to bed but he always wants to watch one of his programmes to unwind and invariably falls asleep on the sofa... I feel that on top of the childcare and housework and housekeeping and booking holidays by 9pm when we sit down to watch a programme, I'm exhausted! I've suggested nice meals out and coffee etc. I probably don't have a lot left right now. My point to him last night was that it wasn't this bad before the holidays when DD1 was at preschool 2.5 days a week and my parents were here to do 0.5 day a week.

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WittgensteinsBunny · 24/08/2017 10:52

Sorry but garbled I'm out at the moment.

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Brandybunny · 24/08/2017 10:54

Leave him he's playing mind games.

hellsbellsmelons · 24/08/2017 10:56

I think you just originally made it sound like your fault.
From your update, you do a lot and try to do things together.
What does he do?
Does he do anything to make you feel special or that your efforts count?
Does he ever book a meal out or anything?

TheNaze73 · 24/08/2017 10:59

You both sound at the end of your tether. One of you needs to break the cycle or this will spiral into oblivion.

WittgensteinsBunny · 24/08/2017 11:00

He booked me an amazing birthday treat last year. He's arranged a couple of trips to the pub this year. He's always very grateful and says he appreciates my efforts as he finds that sort of thing hard.

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