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What is an emotional affair and would you like to know?

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revolution909 · 23/08/2017 23:07

If you've seen my other posts people have suggested my DH is having an emotional affair, but regardless of that , that made me wonder.

What do you consider an emotional affair?

When somebody flirts and the other person doesn't reject the advances, would you consider that cheating?

Would you like to know?

An emotional affair to me, seems like an "emotional connection" something that you don't get from your SO and you have it elsewhere.

Flirting, well I guess it depends how far it goes. Smiles and whatever are fine. Unnecessary physical contact maybe not so much

I've always been of the position that I would never want to know.

Just interested about different POV's :)

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JetBoyJetGirl · 24/08/2017 07:17

surely the honourable thing would be to cut all ties?

I'd end the relationship if my partner was behaving so disrespectfully towards me, to be honest.

I agree with pinkunicorns definition.

I wouldn't want to be with anyone who was so emotionally involved with someone else.

revolution909 · 24/08/2017 07:49

Everything that would happen in an affair bar any physical contact.

Surely there are physical that are devoid educated of any emotions?

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mylittlepony6 · 24/08/2017 08:58

I had an emotional affair, it drove me bat crazy. The only cure was to cut all contact. Nothing happened but it was like leading a double life.

revolution909 · 24/08/2017 09:53

Interesting it seems that to some emotional affairs seem to some extent more painful whereas for others they're still within the definition of "nothing happened".

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HolgerDanske · 24/08/2017 09:55

Flirting is different to an emotional affair, as long as it's done the right way I don't have a problem with it at all.

An emotional affair is where the two of you know you want it to be more, and quite often it then tips over into a full blown affair.

revolution909 · 24/08/2017 10:32

@HolgerDanske what's the right way? I know we all have different opinions, just curious.

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chatty1234 · 24/08/2017 10:39

My definition of an emotional affair would be two people invested in each other by phone or in person.

HolgerDanske · 24/08/2017 10:56

It's hard to articulate, it's one of those things where you can't always pin it down but you know it when you see it, IYSWIM.

For me it comes down to a few different things:

Is the person a flirty/very friendly person anyway? If they are flirtatious with everyone it is less serious, I think, than having a proper connection or spark with one specific person and indulging that too much. It's just who they are, and if you choose to be with someone Iike that you need to be okay with it.

Are they disrespectful to their OH when they flirt? Or is it sleazy or lecherous in any way? If I was with someone who is flirtatious I would want that to be out of appreciation for the opposite sex as a whole and due to be being a friendly and outgoing person, not because they are disrespectful of the opposite sex and definitely not in a way that is disrespectful of me.

Flirting is fun. It's healthy, I think, in moderation. It keeps you alive, keeps you appreciative of others and of yourself. I look at it as keeping your fires burning and that, in turn, means for more heat between you and your SO. But there is a definite line over which one does not step.

revolution909 · 24/08/2017 11:14

The way I see flirting is that to some extent it's a two way thing. One side can be overly flirtatious and cross the line. Brushing legs on purpose against the other person comes to mind for example. I so give this example because legs are seen as more sensual than arms. My point being that the "receiving" party would have to move away, otherwise they become complicit and that to me is not as innocent and definitely crosses the line.

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Bibidy · 24/08/2017 11:40

Emotional affairs are difficult to pin down and describe, as essentially they sit somewhere between a close friendship and a crush. Usually in the work environment.

I would only class something as an emotional affair if there is genuinely no intention by either party to take things further, so no brushing against each other, touching, no meeting up behind partner's backs etc etc. It's not about flirting and drawing the other person in so that they leave their partner, it's when people genuinely have a connection with someone, but they're in a relationship and don't intend to end that relationship or to have an 'actual' affair. They would probably be together if they'd met single, but they didn't, and so they're not.

It is hard to accuse somebody of an emotional affair because often they genuinely don't intend to take it any further, and therefore they may argue that it's just a close friendship. They might have feelings for the other person but never intend to act on them, expecting them to pass.

At the end of the day, it's a very fine line to tread. At what point does friendship cross the line when nothing physical has taken place, there have been no secret dates or meet-ups, no socialising outside of the workplace (apart from the odd message)?

To me, if there's flirting and touching then that's not an emotional affair...that's the beginnings of something that is likely to turn into a physical affair (or have the participants end their relationships to be together properly).

To me, emotional affair is where both parties have feelings for each other but never intend to act on them in a 'real' way. They may imagine what life would be like with the other person, but they never genuinely consider ending their relationship to be with them.

As for your question OP, I think I agree that it's best not to know. The likelihood is that emotional affairs will pass in time, never having progressed any further, and your relationship would survive. In my experience, emotional affairs only manage to end relationships where a) it opens the person's eyes that their primary relationship is no longer working, or b) a partner finds messages or emails etc and is, understandably, heartbroken. It is very difficult to recover from, and some people can't.

I believe I'd prefer not to know as I would imagine that at some point in their lives most people form attachments to someone who's not their partner, and imagine what life could be if we were with them instead. That doesn't mean that we don't love our current partners or that we want to end the relationships we're in, or that the attachment won't pass.

revolution909 · 24/08/2017 13:06

@Bibidy I think we have a similar way of thinking. Although I think some people do end up their current relationships because they feel they've fallen in love with the other person. I also think emotional affairs do escalate to physical ones, but that's just from other people's experience.

The flirting is something I don't fully understand. Maybe because I'm not naturally flirtatious. I once had a boss that flirted with anything that moved. I would find it very hard to be his wife for example. I always wondered why he didn't get some sort of disciplinary action at work.

I guess with flirting there are also other things at play, like chemistry / tension. Also flirting at some point can definitely become an advance.

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Potplant · 24/08/2017 13:57

My ex was in a situation with a work colleague similar to what Memove describes.
He clicked with a colleague. At first it was fine, he'd talk about her in the same way he talked about other colleagues. She was younger (surprise surprise) and he mentored her.
It moved away from friendly work colleagues and I noticed the shift when he came home and told me about her splitting with her boyfriend. He went on and on about it. Then I noticed just how often they text each other. Just how much he talked about her.

I joked once about how his 'girlfriend' was texting him and he never said her name again.

Course it carried on and got worse I just didn't know about it till later.
He went on a stag weekend and I found out (from snooping on his phone) that he'd text her as often as he'd text me. He'd call me every day and then follow it up with a call to her.

He went on a 'work night out' that was her birthday party.

His friend started seeing one of his friends and were told not to tell me how they met. And on and on. He swore blind it never went any further and I'm inclined to believe him, but who knows? It was the beginning of the end of our marriage.

BlueDecor · 24/08/2017 14:00

You can't help your feelings any more than you can control whether or not you'll die one day. A brutal but stark truth in it's simplicity.

revolution909 · 24/08/2017 14:13

@BlueDecor not a very popular opinion over here, but I think you're right. You can stop them on their tracks but I think its very hard to control who you feel them for. I think attraction is very similar or even harder to control because it's so primal.

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Bibidy · 24/08/2017 17:27

Bluedecor I agree, you can't help your feelings but you can help your actions, which is why I'm not entirely on board with the concept of an 'emotional affair'. I don't necessarily think it's fair to accuse people of having an affair when it's feelings alone and you've made a conscious effort & decision not to act on them, and don't intend to.

I do believe many people in relationships develop close bonds with others at certain times during their lives, but if they choose not to act on these feelings then, as heartbreaking and devastating it would be to be their partner, I don't think it's fair at all to condemn them as a cheat.

revolution909 I agree, and I know that some people end their existing relationships based on the depth of their feeling for someone else, but to me that goes beyond the limits of the emotional affair. In my mind, an emotional affair has quite strict parameters, as anything beyond that is a 'traditional' affair, and if someone ends their relationship due to their feelings for another, that's not an affair at all, they've just decided to be with someone else.

yetmorecrap · 24/08/2017 18:39

As I have been on receiving end albeit a long time ago if I say it's not necessarily the fact they formed a close emotional attachment, it's the lying and gaslighting that accompany it in many cases, in my case secret meet ups that I'm sure she thought I knew about, over texting again she may well have thought I was cool with (but were being deleted) etc , it's the lies that can kill trust and feelings in many cases and make it that you don't feel the same

revolution909 · 24/08/2017 19:07

Secret meet ups would definitely be crossing the line. I guess the bottomline is if there's any lying involved

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