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Am I always in the wrong?

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elsielake · 19/08/2017 22:52

This is long and I'm not even sure what I'm saying. I don't even know where to start. Me and my dh have two girls, 4, and 4 weeks. We've always had a very passionate relationship. But when we argue, we come to blows. And on several occasions he's tried to dump me. And I am always the one in the wrong and his words are 'I don't need this shit' even to the point of telling me he doesn't love me, causing many a panic attack. Which he doesn't think is a panic attack, tells me to 'calm down we all have anxiety on some level, I just show it different' then takes it back when we've made up. A few examples. I was watching his football match one day, stood talking to one of his friends, who also happens to be a friend of my dsis and dbro. We were chatting and joking, lots of other people there too. Later that night he accused me of flirting, said I can't love him if I flirt with other guys and said he didn't want me and we were done. I begged and cried all night for him not to end it, I had to admit I was wrong and beg for his love and forgiveness. Then another example, couple of weeks ago, he had football and my auntie and uncle who live abroad who he'd never met were stopping at my mums. We were to be there for 430 for dinner, come 440 I see his car go past. Call and ask where he is. He is having a drink at the pub, says Saturday is his day and he can have a drink if he wants to. Come 510 still nothing so I leave dc with my mum and go to the pub to find him. Go over to him, and say 'are you kidding me?' He smiles and walks outside with me. Then outside starts screaming at me that I embarrassed him in front of the pub, he doesn't want me anymore, doesn't love me, is sick of my shit, I'm stood crying begging, trying to stop him leaving, to the point where people come out, his friends come out and tell him to just come with me and see my family. We eventually got there an hour later and my auntie was leaving. I was so embarrassed. Even after that when we got home he continued the argument, saying I'm wrong and should be embarrassed for going into the pub and he doesn't want me anymore. Kept it up til the early hours of the morning refusing to give in til I admit I was wrong and apologise which I only did because I was so exhausted and saw no other way out. We do have amazing times the rest of the time. But when we argue he always threatens ending it. He never admits he's wrong. It has to be me begging and doing the ego stroking. I don't know what I'm asking or saying. Just wanted to talk.

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MummytoCSJH · 20/08/2017 10:21

Leave him first. He's an asshole and he will keep manipulating you in this way until you have no self esteem, are cut off from family and friends and can't leave him because you will have nowhere to go. I honestly wish you then best.. but please, please get rid. If not for you then for your children.

ShinyTamatoa · 20/08/2017 10:26

Call his bluff and tell him to leave then. And stick to it.

He isn't expecting you to say that, he's expecting you to put up with this bullshit treatment because you have already for so long. Don't let him make you feel like you have to beg to be cared about, I've been there and it isn't good for your mental health.

Siwdmae · 20/08/2017 10:31

Classic emotional abuse. Why do you let him beat you down like this? This is his way of keeping you in line. It's a cycle of abuse.

What's the house situation? Rented/owned?

gamerchick · 20/08/2017 10:36

God help him pack.

I feel really sorry for any kids trapped in the middle of this.

Pollydonia · 20/08/2017 10:59

Op not been back on ? Oh dear, hope your ok .

ZZal · 20/08/2017 11:43

Hi OP. I can relate to this so much that it has actually hit home for me a bit. My partner and I go through that same routine of arguing and threatening to leave almost every day, yet a few hours after he threatens to leave and finishes packing his bag, he conveniently changes his mind, as he "can't stay with his mum as it will get his family involved". There's a brief history of him acting aggressive and a bit violent when I was 7 months pregnant - it ended in him smashing a glass door and it cut me, resulting in me ending up in A&E. He dismissed it as a freak accident. 2 weeks later he told me he cheated, yet somehow I'm still here. Think I haven't left him because we have an 8 week old baby, and I can't do it alone. He now hasn't came home from work last night, texted me at 6 this morning to say he's at his friends partying. Feel like I'm at the end of my tether.

Only skimmed through the other posts on this thread as I think I'm too scared to face the reality of what this is and what I should do. I think I needed this though, so thank you for making this thread @elsielake. Flowers

elsielake · 20/08/2017 11:44

Still reading just taking it all in. Never looked at it as abuse to be honest, I just thought we argued a lot until recently I realised it was me taking the brunt of it all. I fully agree I would tell anyone in my shoes to run a mile. We still haven't spoken he's not been home. House is rented, thankfully. We were about to start the process of building on land he owns. Just hadn't begun yet due to pregnancy/newborn

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elsielake · 20/08/2017 11:46

Zz- so sorry you're going through that it sounds awful. I'm glad this helps, I just needed to write it all down and see it front of me to see how bad it had got. Hugs Flowers

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elsielake · 20/08/2017 12:06

Is it too early for wine?! My brain is like mush

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LoyaltyAndLobster · 20/08/2017 12:19

Let him go.
Flowers

IDoDaChaCha · 20/08/2017 12:38

ZZal hugs. Can you talk to family and/or friends about what's been happening? Sounds like you need to leave him but you'll need support to do that with your baby so young xx

elsielake · 20/08/2017 13:07

When the soul has had enough. A friend sent me this this morning.

Am I always in the wrong?
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JessicaEccles · 20/08/2017 13:11

This is not 'passionate' - this is Jeremy Kyle Sad

My parents were exactly the same and it was a miserable childhood. While you and him are screaming, yelling, throwing stuff - your children are hearing it all.

chitofftheshovel · 20/08/2017 13:31

OP you sound strong.

I'm a single mum and I'm not going to lie, it's tough. But it is a gazillion times easier than being in a bad relationship.
Is there anywhere you can get out to today so that you're not home when he decides to pitch up?

Pollydonia · 20/08/2017 13:39

Looks like your taking everything that's been said seriously op, best wishes Flowers

Toddlers4HenDos · 20/08/2017 14:13

This isn't passion or excitement. It's abuse. Pack his bags - let him go. He sounds unredeemably horrible.

Oakleygirl · 20/08/2017 14:25

He is playing you! This is abuse! You may feel vunerable as you have just given birth but you need to be strong and get this horrible man out of your life asap. Please seek help and advice from someone close to you. Nobody will make his behavior right when you tell them your story.
I truly wish you luck. Be strong, you deserve better, always remember that.

EddyF · 20/08/2017 14:46

Never ever beg and plead for someone to be with you. Your level of respect for yourself has to kick in. Would you respect and want a man who begs you? you would eventually have contempt for him. He's made himself all powerful and desirable and that you are 'lucky' to be with him. He wants you to know that he thinks you are less than him and by begging him (wtf) you are confirming to this idiot that he is right.

Be brave and see it through this time. Don't plead. See if he actually goes. He won't. Who will he have to control and mentally break a person? He's not going anywhere and if he does, GOOD.

You and your children deserve way better than what this man is offering.

elsielake · 20/08/2017 16:19

I always knew on some level it wasn't right. But just saw them as pretty intense arguments, eventually leading to the conclusion that I kept fucking up. It wasn't until the incident with my auntie that I knew it definitely wasn't right and that I wasn't in the wrong. A best friend of mine has been telling me for a long while that it's not right, she's the one I initially always confided in, but in my head I just figured what does she know. She doesn't see us in the happy times. And stopped confided in her. I guess because I knew she was right

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IDoDaChaCha · 20/08/2017 16:22

elsielake now may be the time to turn to that best friend for help extricating yourselves from his clutches x

BlessYourCottonSocks · 20/08/2017 16:32

He's a deeply unpleasant little wanker - and considering he told you last night he would be leaving in the morning he's still there, isn't he?

I would be looking him straight in the eye at this point and saying, 'I thought you were leaving? Or was that all just bullshit as usual? Because this is getting very tiresome and actually, I just want you gone now, so go and start packing'.

Butterymuffin · 20/08/2017 17:07

When he does come back to the house, he will be fully expecting you to apologise and beg him tearfully to stay. Don't do that. You can see now what he's about and this is your chance to have a better life without all this unhappiness and drama.

BrownJenkins · 20/08/2017 18:28

OP, how can you live like this?
The only advice I have is to get out.
Call a taxi, take your own car, walk, flag down a low flying helicopter.
Just get out now.

elsielake · 20/08/2017 19:39

He came home and acted like normal. He said we're fine aren't we? I said no we'll talk about it later, the girls are here. It's weird. Knowing it has to end is a mixture of relief, and feeling like my world is crashing down around me

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LazyDailyMailJournos · 20/08/2017 19:40

Elsie you are doing the right thing. Stay strong.

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