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Advice please on ds and aggressive 'friend'

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Windytwigs · 15/08/2017 01:21

Sorry, it's a bit long, but don't want to drip feed the situation. I'm not in the UK, so kids are still at school, halfway through the year. Ds (yr 2) made a best friend at the start of the year and we've had a lot of playdates back and forth. Friend was fine to start with, but as he settled in his behaviour went downhill - very 'boisterous', with bad language, spitting on the floor, burping in ds's face, arguing and not wanting to be his friend if they don't play what he wants...he helps himself to my food cupboard without asking, doesn't flush or wash hands after using the loo, etc. All sounds a bit petty, but it's full on. Obviously I've intervened where appropriate, always give snacks after getting in from school anyway (he's always after the 'treats' which my kids have to last the week), helped them come up with shared interest activities etc.
His parents are separated with new partners and a new baby each, so I can understand some unsettled behaviour. However, this seems beyond acceptable. Don't know if there's trouble at home, his dad seems to find him difficult to deal with, and is always happy for him to be round ours. Odd things like at the last minute asked us to pick up friend so we could take him to our ds party (15min drive away) and drop back home afterwards, despite being a short walk away from us and at least four adults living in the house to organise things.
Ds has recently had some episodes of getting upset about things at school and I've seen his teacher. Now it transpires that 'friend' has been hitting him in the playground, doesn't stop when asked and follows when he walks away. I'm due to see his teacher again after school, but what do I say and suggest without making it sound like I've got it in for this kid? They can play together nicely as they do in the park after school, the difference being that I'm there to keep an eye on things. (Friend is taken by another parent, who looks after him and his own two that day, friend asked if ds wanted to go, but the parent seems to have stopped taking him because his own ds doesn't play with them as a group??Hmm) We haven't had playdates for a while, basically because I don't want to have to manage someone else's kids poor behaviour continually any more.
I've suggested the usual to ds, walk away, play with others, tell teacher (which he's reluctant to do, I think because of repercussions), etc. He still wants to be friends. Any other suggestions?

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GreenTulips · 15/08/2017 01:29

Invite other friends over!
Change interest groups
Don't invite himnove roe accept invites
Stick to playing in the park occasionally
Meet other mums!!

As for the teacher - tell how DS feels what DS says etc and ask her for advise on what she's planking in doing to help your son

Can he go to karate to build some confident
Can you role play? For example hand up flat shout 'Stop being mean'
'Do not hit me'
'I am walking away'

Do not retaliate- tell the teacher every time

(Follow up with emails DS tells me X happened this morning, are you aware?)

Windytwigs · 15/08/2017 01:39

Thanks tulips. After school sports/activities are a big thing here, so playdates with his other friends haven't really taken off, though I have tried.
The role play is a good idea.

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SeaEagleFeather · 15/08/2017 11:21

I think you need to put your foot down hard here and say that they -can't- be friends because this is a terrible model for friendship. It's no good for your son to be treated like this by a 'friend'.

I made the mistake of not stopping a friendship and by god is my son paying and paying and paying for it. The effect the other boy had on him won't soon be undone.

RainyApril · 15/08/2017 11:39

I teach and this is not uncommon behaviour. His teacher will not be surprised that you want this dealt with, will not think you have got it in for this child, and should absolutely know what strategies to put in place.

Windytwigs · 16/08/2017 00:33

Well, spoke to teacher and she's going to have a chat with them both separately, for all the good it will do. 'Friend' seems to be largely ignoring him so far, which is upsetting ds, who finds it hard to move on and play with others because he's used to being with 'friend' full time.

Can't win.Sad

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RainyApril · 16/08/2017 04:35

Well friend ignoring him sounds like an improvement on friend hitting him, not stopping when asked and following him when he walks away; and you won't have any more awful play dates.

You sound disappointed with the teacher's response, what were you hoping for?

lou1221 · 16/08/2017 07:49

Get your son into karate or judo, it will give him the confidence to stand up to this bully, and yes he is a bully. Your boy is caught between the devil and the deep, he needs to make other friendship groups and steer clear of this kid. Do not have him over for a playdate again. Are there school clubs that he can join, or things like cubs, where he can have fun and doesn't have to be with this child?

SeaEagleFeather · 16/08/2017 10:02

agreed, he needs other friendship groups. Too much invested in one child who is wild / has a touch of the bullies really isn't good

kittybiscuits · 16/08/2017 10:04

Also start saying no to the cheeky requests! 'Sorry - can't help today' 'we have plans' etc.

Lowdoorinthewal1 · 16/08/2017 10:15

Could you get your DS into some of the after school sports/ activities so he is busy after school, can meet some different kids and has something else to focus on?

He's a good age to start competitive swimming and that takes up plenty of time? Is there anything he's shown an interest in?

Windytwigs · 16/08/2017 21:18

I'm not disappointed with the teachers response at all. I'm not convinced it will solve the problem though, as I have previously had a word re behaviour with this kid, and ds has also said his stepmum has told him to stop it, neither of which seems to have had any effect. Ds has asked him to stop also, so although I hope the chat will be positive, I don't think it's going to change much.
We've tried swimming and a few after school activities but tbh ds is not v coordinated or confident, and found it a bit competitive for him. I'll keep working on the playdates.
Thanks for the advice.

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Seeingadistance · 17/08/2017 01:20

My DS had a similar friend at Primary School, and maintained the friendship, despite my unease for the first couple of years of secondary schools. DS now rarely sees the other boy.

My DS has Asperger's and at Primary School found friendships difficult. The other boy's parents split up shortly after my ex and I split up. However, we managed to keep our relationship reasonably amicable and shared parenting. The other boy's mum told me that she left her husband after he "walloped" her. The teachers at DS's primary school met with me, and as sensitively as they could - which was difficult for them given their need to maintain confidentiality - that the friend was "an angry little boy", and that he was being physically aggressive with my son, who from time to time responded in kind, but was mostly very upset by it. Long story short, the school did keep an eye on the situation, tried their best to encourage my DS to make other friends, and to involve my DS and the friend in different activities and groups so they spent less time together.

Play dates didn't really work with my son because of his Asperger's, but I and his SLT spent a lot of time talking about the nature of friendship, how friends behave towards each other, and how to react if we feel a friend is being unfriendly. So, although my son did stay friendly with the other boy - whose behaviour did improve over time - my son was much better able to see the behaviour for what it was, and choose to spend time with others if he could see that his friend was having a bad day.

It's a difficult one to deal with. You have my sympathy.

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