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When is it OK to call it a day?

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TherealMrsBloom · 02/08/2017 19:28

I’m a long term Mumsnet user but I rarely post. I have followed the relationship threads, found many to be heartening with good advice given. I would be so grateful to have your views on my situation as there are very few people in RL in whom I can confide.

I have been with DH for 14 years. I was a professional in a good job but gave it up on the birth of my third DC (I have 3: aged 12, 10 and 8). It seemed easier to be a SAHM as DH works incredibly long hours. He is a hard worker, and seemingly devoted to his family. I say “seemingly” because work takes everything out of him and we get the dregs. He suffers from stomach complaints which he thinks are stress-related and he’s probably right, but he eats really badly too which must exacerbate things. He had a tough childhood and says he wants more for his children. He earns really well and on the face of it we have a lovely lifestyle: nice house, holidays, the children want for nothing on a material level. They go to a fee-paying school which they love and in which they are thriving but which is becoming increasingly unaffordable.

I have been unhappy for a while. We moved away from my family for his job around 10 years ago and over this time I have built up a support network of sorts, through the children. I have one or two good friends and several acquaintances. But I still feel lonely. In part, this is, I think because I always thought I would have my career for mental stimulation but going back into it has been harder than I imagined: both because I would have a long commute to where I need to be and also because I just don’t have the capacity mentally to cope with both a full time job and all I need to do at home and for the children. I have looked for part time jobs but there are none in my field unless I commute for 4 hours a day and having done it before I know it would exhaust me.

DH pays lip service to my getting a job. He knows I am unhappy and have been looking for a while, but his view is, why work if you don’t have to and someone needs to be keeping the domestic fires burning. He tells me he does not want the children to suffer through my being pulled in another direction and that if I am not doing what I do at home he cannot continue bringing in the money we need to keep the children in their school. This keeps me feeling sufficiently guilty and constantly looking around for ways to make it work. The longer I am out of work, the more confidence I lose and the more I feel vulnerable about being reliant financially entirely on him. I feel an increasing sense of anger that I am expected to do everything domestic: because of his work hours, I do all the children’s stuff, all the cleaning and cooking and washing (although we do have a cleaner once a week and I could enlist more paid help) and most of the shopping (he will bring shopping home willingly if I ask). At weekends, DH is exhausted and apart from doing runs to various children’s activities and shopping it is difficult to get him to do anything else. So I do the gardening, the bill-paying and the DIY, as well as organising any social activities. Occasionally, if I nag, he will mow the lawn but only when he is ready and on his terms. He is fanatical about sport and spends much of the weekend watching TV and he will go to the gym which he says helps him to deal with the stress. I encourage this and also support him in finding a hobby because I want him to be happy and I realise his mental and physical health suffers because of the time he spends at work. But I keep thinking - is this all there is? It is just domestic drudgery.

I have asked him so many times to find a less stressful job so that we can spend more time as a family and have proper quality of life and fewer material things, a smaller house. But he keeps saying he can’t do anything else and that the area he works in is just like that. He says there are more staff joining or he will delegate more but it never changes. He keeps saying he wants the children to have the best chance in life and that they are happy at their school (which is true).

I have started to disconnect emotionally from the relationship: I seem to be trapped with no way forward; I feel my needs are neglected as his work always comes first and if he doesn’t do what he does we will have to move the children from the school and the friends they love. We never do anything fun at weekends because I have so many chores and he is so tired. To make things worse, DH binge drinks every Friday or Saturday night (again, stress-related) so he usually spends one day lying on the sofa recovering from a hang-over. He won't admit to having a hang-over and blames his torpor on his week at work. But I know he drinks more than he says he does as I have found the evidence. In fact he lies about various things to avoid confrontations: e.g. how much he spent on buying his car, what the children have had to eat (he lets them eat junk food when I have asked him not to) and sometimes I catch him out. He will tell me it’s because he knows I would badger him about it. He has consistently lied about seemingly small things over the course of our relationship and the lies (and his inability to see that his lying upsets me) has slowly eroded some of the foundations of my love for him. There are other issues, such as his anger and selfish behaviour; the fact that when he is not working he puts his needs before me and the children, but from his perspective this is a quid pro quo as his working the hours he does is a sacrifice that he makes for us. But from my point of view, it is not a sacrifice I or the children have asked of him and we would rather he earned less but was happier and participated fully in family life! He has seen a counsellor a few times at my instigation, who, apparently has confirmed to him he is not an alcoholic and he says he is getting help for managing the stress. My question is: are any of these points potential deal breakers for you? I am coming to the end of my tether and I am not sure if this is just my frustration at being an SAHM with little practical support, or whether it is him that is making me unhappy. My counsellor tells me I can’t change his behaviour but I can change mine, but I just feel overwhelmed by all I have to do with so little support. I am thinking of insisting we move closer to my parents so they can help with childcare and I can go back to work. But a large part of me doesn't want to take him with me. Am I being unreasonable? Should I try harder to make this work?

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1234hello · 02/08/2017 21:58

Hi MrsBloom

Sorry to hear you're unhappy, I can empathasise. There isn't an obvious solution is there?

If you don't need to work for the money, but would like to build your confidence, could you do some volunteering?

Also, in your shoes, I would buy in more help for chores etc. Use free time to make yourself happier, whatever that may involve...hobbies, exercise, seeing friends etc.

If your husband is not going to budge re his work, then he does need to stop the binge drinking and make more of an effort at weekends.

Does he know/realise that the relationship is in jeopardy partly because of his ways?

1234hello · 02/08/2017 21:59

The lying thing would piss me off big style, and I can see why you're considering your options re the future of the relationship.

Could you do couples counselling together?

Shoxfordian · 02/08/2017 22:14

It doesn't sound like a satisfying relationship

I don't know that you should definitely leave but you should reevaluate the situation and decide if it's one you want to continue

AdelicaArundel · 02/08/2017 22:17

You have it on DH's word that the counsellor says he is not an alcoholic?

He seems to be a workaholic then...relying on his work to fill his time so that he can avoid the emotional demands of relationships with his wife and children.

You're right though- you have no ability to control his behaviour.
He will at some point (hopefully not too late) realise that all his hard work to provide financially for his children is not the fix for his tough upbringing. The fix is being present with his children and they will value that far more than private school and belongings.

I don't think anybody can tell you whether the things you've noted are deal-breakers. Personally, I've very very little tolerance for lying in a relationship. The lying about the cost of a car would not be ok for me; nor would undermining my parenting.

To me it keeps circling back to his inability to be emotionally mature and present with his family.

whirlycurly · 02/08/2017 22:57

I found myself in a similar situation with xh. He was (is) a workaholic and it took me years to realise how much that impacted me and the dcs. He would never just relax and engage with family life. I was bored, trapped and hated it. I used to compulsively online shop for something to do. He claimed he worked to provide for us all but it was really quite selfish behaviour in retrospect.

I got divorced, got myself a career (couldn't work while married, he made it impossible) did a load of decluttering and am much more independent and happy now. I do all the house stuff myself and it's full on but far better than constantly anticipating help from someone else and it not coming. We cope just fine.

Xh remarried, had more dcs and took an even more high powered, less family friendly job. Ho hum.

TherealMrsBloom · 03/08/2017 13:23

Thank you, all for wading through my horribly long post and for your insightful and helpful responses.
1234 volunteering is a good idea, thank you. I have considered it in the past and suggested it to DH. He scoffs at the idea as he sees no value in working unless it is for the family or in return for payment. I am afraid he takes a rather transactional approach to life and considers me to be well-meaning but naive. I will look out for something, although I do long to have my "own" money again and not feel beholden to him (I should say nothing he does overtly makes me feel like this, it is just a feeling I have and can't shake).

Shoxfordian you are right, the relationship is not satisfying. There are other things that I didn't go into because the post was long enough and I have my head in the sand a bit about them.

Adelica you are spot on: there is an emotional maturity issue. The lying I am really uncomfortable with and I feel it has been going on for so long that I almost expect it now which makes me feel very sad. I think the worst thing is that he lies to me so easily: he is very charming and very manipulative - I see him do it with others and it is shocking. He is right - I am naive because of course I should have seen that he does it with others so he does it with me. I don't know the full extent of it, but on my darkest days I suspect I see only the tip of the iceberg.

Whirly I think I have seen some of your posts before and remarked on similarities between your XH and my DH. Did your XH have anger issues? DH is better at controlling his temper now but DC and I have had horrible experiences. In the past he has lost it in public with a stranger who may have been thoughtless or slightly rude and DH has gone berserk - shouting, threatening violence. I have had to drag him away. It doesn't happen very often nowadays (maybe once a year) but it used to be mortifying. So much of his behaviour is dependent on his moods and they seem to dominate the home. He can be lovely, charming, attentive, almost child-like in his eagerness to please. Then he can be absolutely vile. He doesn't call names, but if he is in a certain mood and we cross him, or someone annoys him on TV, he will shout and swear at me, the TV, the children, whatever or whoever is the source of his anger. His ranting makes us all very anxious. Even when "relaxed" he is like a coiled spring and will very rarely engage fully with family life; he is not a team player and always has his own agenda. I dream of being free of him.

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