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Where do I go from here?

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Pathilton75 · 02/08/2017 09:53

Where to start? I'm a 42 year old man, married (not happily at present) with three beautiful and lively boys, 11, 9 and 5. I've lost both (adopted) parents, dad from pancreatic cancer in 2003, mum from sudden heart attack in 2014. My adopted mum was (I can now admit to myself) was a bit of a cow to me. Mum remarried an alcoholic waste of space who remained in her house as per her will until last October when my (narcissistic) younger brother and myself found his decomposing body in the front room. Fast forward to now, the house has been sold at auction and is in the conveyancing stage. Although I can't do much about how my mum was with me, I can change how my brother treats me. I work for him but he's basically a carbon copy of my mum who also treats me like shit. He's split from his wife and for the last three years has dissected, moaned about, bitched about and generally talked about himself never once asking how it was going in my relationship ( he knows but doesn't seem to care). This then brings me to my marriage. I'm 7 years older and we've been together nearly 17 years, since she was 19. We married albeit hastily before my dad died and now have three boys. Outwardly we have a good life. We live in a nice house, in a nice area but inwardly it just isn't right. It's become apparent that we have very little in common apart from the boys. Our hopes, dreams and general outlook on life are worlds apart. They say opposites attract and I guess we never noticed but now we grate on each other. Being older ive done the pubbing, clubbing and wild nights and I think she feels, understandably, that she missed out. We've separated three or four times over the four years that this has been going on but somehow we're living back together. I've tried to get her to do counselling but she refuses. She won't talk about it on anything like an adult level. She has a reactive approach to anything I try and discuss with her 'I only do 'that' because you do 'this' and therefore it's all your fault. If you didn't do 'it' first then I wouldn't have to react like I do'. I can't go on like that. I'm the first to hold my hands up and say yes I f*ed up. And I'm no angel, this isn't a finger pointing bitch session at her. I'm a pain in the arse. I'm moody, overly sensitive, pessimistic and downright difficult sometimes. She's optimistic, not moody and generally sunny but she has her faults as well and it drives me crazy that she can't at least acknowledge my concerns when I raise them with her. I can't take the 'it's really all your fault' response she gives. The sexual side of things is a major problem. Our sex drives vary wildly with mine sky high and her's at rock bottom. She says she's kind of happy a few times a year where I'm happy a few times a week however unreasonable that is (I know she has the boys and a home to run) but I'm a builder grafting physically and I still could chase her round 😀 But really it's an excuse that I don't think she fancies me anymore. There's no
Passion from her anymore. I see the fire in her eyes when she sees a guy she likes and it crushes me. I'm no Brad Pitt but she's had three boys and it hasn't been kind to her body. She hasnt lost the weight she gained but to me she's the most beautiful creature to walk the earth but she just goes through the motions with me and it kills me inside. I've got a beer belly but I'm clean and okay looking (though I've never had high self esteem, mum saw to that). I think I'm trying to get her to love me (like I did with my mum) but whatever I try it's never enough (like with my mum) and I've contemplated leaving for good this time but it's the thought of what it'll do to the boys that keeps me hanging on. I've explained it in the past to the older two in a way that they understand why we separated before so it's not like it'll be a massive shock but they make it clear they don't want me to go again. I feel desperately unhappy and trapped by my situation and don't know the best way forward. Head and heart and all that...

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Peanutbuttercheese · 02/08/2017 10:08

Communication is the key, clear and over a long period of time. It cannot be sorted after 'a chat' I separated from my DH at Christmas.

Our issues were very different to yours. Basically when it reached rock bottom due to separating it scared us both so we began a series of incredibly painful and difficult discussions but we actually listened to each other.

Men often concentrate on the physical appearance of women. You know what enraged me was when I was in discussions was my DH commenting on his physical attraction to me, that wasn't what I wanted to hear I wanted to hear I was loved and cherished for who I was as a human. Getting compliments for looks is fine but not at that point. Maybe that was just me but I noticed your comments on physical looks for both of you are very much to the fore.

I want to hear why you class yourself as no angel. First step in repairing is to admit our own faults, both sides. That's the hardest part.

Pathilton75 · 02/08/2017 10:14

Thanks for taking the time to reply. By no angel I mean I'm a difficult person. I know have an issue around sexual relationships. I have texted a couple of her friends in the past which I know was unforgivable. I felt at the time I wasn't getting what I needed from my wife so stupidly looked elsewhere. No angel. She's admitted to fancying the hell out of one of her friends partners telling me after a BBQ we'd been invited to that yes, she did want to fuck him. She also has been in touch for a while (well since last summer) with the guy she was with before me. No angel either. The crazy thing is I do want her. I just want her to want me too but she doesn't but won't end it either. The responsibility will fall on me if it gets that far.

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Cricrichan · 02/08/2017 10:16

I think that you blame everyone else - your mum, your step dad, your brother, your wife. You say your wife has a sunny disposition and you're moody.

There's no reason why you have to work for your brother if you don't want to. Work for someone else or stop moaning about him. Or set up on your own if you think you can.

If you want things to work out with your wife then be less moody and stop blaming others people for things. Help out at home and appreciate what she does. Give her a chance to go out and enjoy herself without having to think of you and the kids on a regular basis. Otherwise she'll just see you as an extra chore.

Your mum is dead now. It may be worth getting some counselling if you feel she was abusive as it may be affecting how you feel about everything.

Pathilton75 · 02/08/2017 10:17

She also hooked up with a guy on her birthday last year although we were apart at the time. She doesn't seem to mind going out and finding that with other guys.

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Pathilton75 · 02/08/2017 10:20

Thanks for replying. Yes I do tend to wallow, I wish I knew how not to. I can sort the situation with my brother. As for my marriage, being moody and of a less than sunny disposition doesn't automatically mean I'm wrong and she's right does it? I do help at home, in fact I feel like fucking Cinderella sometimes. I work all day and come
home and get on with washing up, laundry, cooking meals etc whilst she's viewing her selfies on FB or instagram

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Racmactac · 02/08/2017 10:30

You sound really bloody miserable. Stop working for your brother, get some counselling to deal with your mum issues and if the relationship has run its course then leave.

Keep it as amicable as possible and put kids before everything

Pathilton75 · 02/08/2017 10:36

Fair assessment but I don't wanna be!

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HeddaGarbled · 02/08/2017 10:49

You think that if you repair the sexual relationship, it will repair the relationship. I suspect your wife needs the relationship repaired before she will want to have sex with you. This is not uncommon.

I would strongly recommend that you have some counselling on your own. You have had an awful lot of difficult family issues to deal with in both the recent and long term past, plus two major current issues - your relationships with you brother and your wife. Maybe you need some help with this.

I too think that you should look for work which is independent from your brother.

If you do end up separating from your wife permanently, that doesn't mean you have to leave your children. If you stay living nearby, you can have them living with you half the time.

SpongeBobJudgeyPants · 02/08/2017 10:56

Felt some sympathy for you until you wrote 'she's had three children and it hasn't been kind to her body'. Your children, not abstract children. You make it sound like she should be grateful. If my moody, difficult 'D'P spoke about me like this/treated me this way, there's no way you'd be getting jiggy with me....

Pathilton75 · 02/08/2017 10:57

Thank you for replying. I do have problems and I acknowledge them. Once the house is sold I will have financial independence to leave my brother, seek more long term and appropriate counselling and go from there. Like I say, this isn't about saying it's all my wife, 75% is my side I know but I don't feel, as a couple, we can deal with issues as she has the approach I mentioned previously

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Pathilton75 · 02/08/2017 10:59

On the contrary, physically she has had three children. They are as much mine as hers. They're ours. Grateful for what exactly? I'm not sure what you mean.

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Pathilton75 · 02/08/2017 19:29

Any other thoughts?

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LondonNicki · 03/08/2017 00:54

Stop working for your brother and decide if you love your wife enough to stay with her and have an honest conversation about flirting/infidelity and aetbthose boundaries.
If that doesn't work decide to split but keep your children's welfare at the forefront of your decision.

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