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I just don't know how to help my friend anymore

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Nonotheresnolimit · 26/07/2017 01:14

She is 35, I am 35. We went to school together. She is virgin. I am married with 3DC. She has a job which she hates and she lives in a shared house and spends a lot of money on psychics and personal development courses in the hope that she will have some kind of transformation and become a different person.

She has dated people in the past but only for a matter of days and they have broken up with her for reasons that are not clear. She becomes very angry about this and years down the line still fantasies about revenge on them of some kind (again not clear)

She is on social media constantly and she monitors everybody's whereabouts, through the location app or through any pictures anyone puts. If I go away on holiday, she asks what time my flight is and then before I've even landed or done anything, I have texts from her "how's France?" "How's the restaurant?" Which I know are not really about "France" or "the restaurant" but are about having some sense of control of where I am. A lot of her communication is like this - framed as overly polite and considerate but actually used as a way of controlling my whereabouts and my actions.

Sometimes I wake up to long streams of texts she has sent in the night angry with the world. Apologising for venting but still continuing. "She hates this, she hates that, she feels betrayed. I am her only loyal friend." She is constantly doing personality tests online and labelling people as types. Exes as sociopaths and colleagues as narcissists (which could very well be true but even if it was, shouldn't be dwelled upon for multiple years.)

She has had a difficult life. I have spent several hours in her company with her family and they shout (actually physically shout) abuse at her from the moment they see her until she leaves : you look awful, you're pathetic, you stand no chance of doing anything good. Literally word for word. Yet she doesn't (or can't) separate from them and still looks after them : financially, physically. And you can imagine if she has had 35 years of that then of course life is going to be difficult for her.

But I just can't take the weight of her anymore. We have a "night out" every month or so. Although I know that if I allowed it, she would be at my house every day. On that night out if we can actually get to any kind of mutual conversation it is really fun, i also enjoy hearing her news and about the dates she goes on if she can keep it light, but she sometimes looks at her phone at midnight and gets upset and says it's "so unfair" that we only have this short time together (we have usually been talking for 4 hours at this point.) 4 hours constant conversation once a month is enough for me when I have 3 DC under 3 at home and one who wakes in the night.

She finds it very hard to understand my life. I am pulled in so many directions. I am a full time mother with part time childcare who also works. She has never had a relationship. She took my marriage very hard, even though she gets on with DH perfectly well, I just don't think she could cope with the idea of me "choosing" someone exclusively who wasn't her. And she is not a lesbian or asexual (I have asked her.) I always invite her round with the DC but she finds screaming difficult and poo "disgusting" (she doesn't even like to hear the word) which basically rules out most of the things the DC do.

She has other OCD behaviours. What is quite clearly an eating disorder, obsessive hand washing, nervous ticks, teeth grinding, even during the day.

I suggested she go to therapy and she has been going now for two years. It has improved things in many ways. It has given her more self compassion. I no longer feel the unspoken resentment of me if I choose to see someone else in my free time who is not her.

So therapy has improved things but I just don't know what advice to give her to move on with her life. She always asks for advice but I have just run dry. She needs to distance herself from her family and the messages they give her about herself. Her therapist has also helped her see that. She wants to get married but I don't even know where to start with that. She says she goes on a few dates and men are just not interested. I asked her if she spoke in the way she speaks to me about other people and she says she doesn't. I would think, even if she did speak like that, if she made it clear she was up for sex or a casual arrangement, they would go for it.

She is attractive - quite beautiful actually. She seems to have no clue of that kind of intimacy you have with other people when you have close relationships. the lying in bed talking to your spouse, cosying up on the sofa watching a film, holding hands with someone else. I think the closest she has to it is me (as someone who she tells everything to.)

I don't want to pull the plug on the one main human connection she has got as that would be awful, but i need some other things to suggest to her.

What would you suggest?

OP posts:
Motoko · 26/07/2017 01:37

First of all, turn off your location on apps, so she can't "follow" you around.

If you don't want to end the friendship, when she asks you advice, tell her you've already given her all the advice you can. Now it's down to her to either take it and change her life, or carry on as she is. There's nothing more you can do to help her, except support her if she does try to change things.

It must be very draining for you, so don't feel bad about not going out with her more often. I suspect she'd suck you dry given half a chance.

AufderAutobahn · 26/07/2017 07:06

I feel so sorry for your friend. It sounds like she is extremely lonely and lives her life through other people, including yourself. That said, I honestly don't think you can do any more for her than you have already done. You can be there for her as the good friend you already are but she sounds so desperately needy she would drain you. Not because she's a bad person, that's just how her life has made her. I think she ought to cut all contact with her abusive family for a start. But only she can sort herself out. It really is up to her alone. If she is completely reliant on you it does either of you no good. Don't feel you have to give up even more of your time for her, she actually doesn't need that even if she believes it does. Does she have any other interests or talents she can pursue? Something to boost her confidence and show she is special in her own right, rather than live vicariously through others? Would voluntary work give her life meaning and purpose?
I had a friend who was just like this. Her father was an abusive alcoholic and her brother said similar things to her. Only when she had a job and a volunteer role that made her see she was important did things seem to improve for her. Xx

notarehearsal · 26/07/2017 07:17

I doubt you can help your friend and respect the fact that you've managed to stick with what sounds like a very one sided relationship. I'd guess she has a personality disorder and all relationships will be difficult for her. Sadly it is possible that she has only received counselling from a generic therapist and this may not have actually helped.
I may be totally wrong here of course

BatmansPrettierSidekick · 26/07/2017 08:36

What are you getting out of the friendship OP?

It sounds like you are being really supportive and helpful but just getting mithered and a friend that's a real handful to be around.

springydaffs · 26/07/2017 08:49

Tighten up your boundaries. She is an extremely damaged person - if her damage was physical it would perhaps be more understandable to make huge allowances.

That said, it isn't ultimately your job to be her prop or her therapist. You can however have a lot of influence esp if you keep your boundaries.

Don't expect anything much in return, she is incapable of it. It might be an idea if she knocked the psychics etc on the head and used the cash to pay for very serious therapy.

rumred · 26/07/2017 08:59

I have a very unwell friend who I've known 25 years. People have said drop her over the years but she's a good if damaged soul.
I cope with her bizarre behaviours by having clear boundaries, seeing her when suits me (it'd be daily if she had a choice) and not engaging with the paranoia etc. I'm also very straight with her when she's being ridiculous etc.
This means we have a decent friendship on the whole.

Re therapy my mate has had bucket loads. She's so very damaged it hasn't helped. On fact maybe it has hindered because she is obsessed with past abuse. Whatever, friendship isn't always clearly equal and easy (I have many that are) and damaged people deserve love and support too. Just make sure you don't give more than you can afford

livefornaps · 26/07/2017 08:59

She's not a problem you can solve.

She is seeking the intimacy of a relationship with you as everything else has failed. Hence the constant texts more akin to what you would expect from a partner.

Be there for her, but pp's idea that you tell her that you are all out of advice is a good one.

And in your mind: detach. She's invited you to shoulder all of this worry and concern when it is not your place to do so! She has to figure it out, or maybe she won't. Tell her to focus on the present rather than the past/the future.

Admirablenelson · 26/07/2017 11:17

Goodness me, what hard work she is. I admire your patience and good nature. This would drive most of us bonkers. I wonder what type of therapy she is having, and is it the most suitable for her difficulties? This could be a way of helping her; finding the most effective treatment for her problems. The Tavistock and Portman Clinic in London might be able to advise. 020 7435 7111.

springydaffs · 26/07/2017 23:42

She's invited you to shoulder all of this worry and concern when it is not your place to do so!

See, I don't agree with you there, live. She is genuinely damaged, not wilfully damaged. It sounds as though op's friend minds op's boundaries to the best of her ability, just that her abilities are damaged.

Aquamarine1029 · 26/07/2017 23:48

The first thing is you have to get honest with yourself and just admit there is no possible way for you to help her. Her life and problems and completely beyond your control. Some relationships just aren't healthy to be in, and this is one of them.

springydaffs · 27/07/2017 00:17

She may not want your help, just your love and support.

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