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Perpetually torn between two men...

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Surfacetoair · 17/07/2017 17:24

Hello,
First time ever posting in a forum. Worth saying that I am not a Mum but planning for children in the very near future and love Mumsnet for the great conversations and insights. Trying to get my ducks in a row at the minute and it really helps!

I've read similar threads to where I'm at, but wanted to post one specifically from my experiences. I have been torn between two men for a very long time and my mental faculties are totally drained and I have to share as becoming a mother is the most important thing to me as I approach my 34th Year and my maternal instinct so strong and clear.

Last year, I left DP of five years and the beautiful home we owned together - the home we were planning to have children in. DP was the most incredible partner a woman could want. Attentive, loyal, helpful, loving, nurturing, involved, present, attractive, great job, encouraging, confident, thoughtful, great listener, huge mutual respect, great friendship circle and extended family, co-founder of our exciting and fruitful company - all round partner in crime. There wasn't anything he wouldn't do for me, not a treat or an expense he would spare to keep our lives together exciting and fun filled. But our sex life had always been hit and miss. When we first started dating, I looked up and thanked heavens that I found someone who ticked every box I could ever ask for. I'd found 'the one' and I didn't even believe in 'the one.' When the first few failed attempts at having sex - he became flaccid with a condom and even without, struggled to stay erect to completion - I put it down to nerves. The stakes were high as we felt so strongly for each other. The sexual chemistry was there so physically I just thought - it happens to every guy. He was sexually attentive and affectionate in every other way, I wasn't going to start picking holes in an incredible partnership.When I got a coil fitted so that we could keep trying without thinking of condoms, there were still more false starts. One or two good nights of sex to completion, but mostly stalled attempts. Even the nights of full sex felt like he was just trying to 'get through' and please me, rather than really connecting. Again, understandable. After three months, I had concerns but none so strong that I would have ever thought 'deal breaker.' We were on the same page in every other way possible. When my DP's mother died suddenly, a few months in to our relationship - I saw the strength of our relationship solidify. I wanted to do everything to get him through it - his dad died young so he was now an orphan. We moved in together, his grief was great but so was our love. Our intimate life continued as it was, stop and start but with understanding flowing from me and apologies and concerted efforts from him. He tried all alternative remedies, GP, counselling. When we bought our house together, DP's grief was two years in and things were beginning to lift. I was reassured by DP that finding a new rhythm in a house of our own - things would come together. He would be relaxed and we'd get in to our sexual stride. But they didn't improve. Before I knew it, two years had passed and we had had sex once. Not even any attempts outside of that. And even that once felt very strange. I felt sad afterwards rather than hopeful. We then had a year of brilliant couples counselling but things still didn't shift. I think I was too far gone in the resentment stakes. I don't know if anyone has experienced this, but I started to go pretty crazy. I was depressed, not eating, sometimes leaving the house with nowhere to go and just walking for hours. I never wanted to leave DP but even his kisses and cuddles had begun to repulse me. I could not kiss him for nearly 18 months. I always thought - what's the point if it never goes anywhere?!? I started to think DP was gay, asexual, having an affair - anything to justify why a man in his 30's was sharing a bed with the woman he loved and not able to touch her or use that morning boner for something - even out of duty?!? It was when I started getting chest tightness that felt like it was the start of panic attacks that I knew I had to get help. I started seeing a councillor myself and connected to lots of stuff. I became aware how much I wanted children - soon - and how I had completely gone off the idea of DP being the father. Obviously it was mad to think we'd be able to conceive without having sex, but it was more than that. I didn't want my children to feel physically rejected the way I felt. I didn't want my sadness to filter down to my child in the womb - if we did manage to conceive - but if the sexual droughts continued.
One day, at dinner, without anything other than instinct coursing through me - I stood up and left. It came as a huge shock to us both - especially DP. I don't know what I was doing or thinking - but it's been a year now that we've been broken up. The house affairs have been totally emotionally exhausting but are now finalised and I'm looking for new places on my own. DP is still broken by it, he's lost the love of his life - and so have I. We're both suffering. But the instinct to go was so strong by the end, I had no choice but to act on it or be consumed by the sexual frustration and fear of losing the chance to conceive.

Two weeks after the split from DP, a friend I've had for years - same amount of time as relationship - confessed that he'd had feelings for me since the day we met and that he'd been holding a torch for me. Suddenly there were sparks flying over the place. We have huge sexual chemistry and ended up having the most incredible sex of both our lives. Slowly we've formed a committed relationship and are holidaying, meeting families.etc. Getting serious. This new guy is the opposite of my ex DP. He's the sweetest man in all the world - honest, kind, open, fun, gorgeous looking - but lacks all of the 'security' that DP offered. All the inate and unspoken partnership. All of the sensible stuff has gone out of the window completely but there are deep vibrations within me that tell me that this is the father of my children. I want to have kids with this man - not just because I want to have kids! I can see them. Sometimes I talk to them. (!?!?) My friends and family think I'm quite mad. I've left everything stable behind and NOW want to have kids?!? It doesn't make sense. It makes little sense to me either. I'm in temp accommodation, not currently working as needed to change career when left DP and my company, new relationship.etc. The list of how I'm currently not nailing life goes on!
A year on and I miss ex DP like mad, so much sadness when I think about the beautiful partnership we had - but no idea if I'm romanticising. I miss our friendship, our stability, our deep understanding of each other. New guy ignites all the passion that there is inside of me, but not being as 'set up' and similar to me as ex DP was scares me all the time. Me and DP were like twins!
And that's it. I feel constantly scared. Scared I've made a mistake, scared of going back and potentially living a sexless life again (sex to procreate but not for fun potentially), I'm scared of the strong instincts I have about my new boyfriend - what if I'm just being crazy? He wants kids too and nothing more than to settle down with me - I'm 'the one' for him. But for the first time I'm the potential breadwinner, I'm in the driving seat of nearly everything and that scares me as it's totally role reversal. I wish the two people could just fuse together! Because I'm living a life in my head at the moment. Trapped between two men. The first who would make a wonderful 'father' - provide and be on the same page with me as mum but potentially not want to have sex with me. The second who is a bundle of love and sexual energy and kindness that would make a gorgeous 'dad', attentive and fun and kind but potentially not on the same page with me as mum when it comes to the financial stability and that effortless partnership. We are quite different as people. But yin and yang.... I love both men very much and feel like I'm having a total Jekyl and Hyde personality crisis when it comes to working out who I'm supposed to be with forever.

I've rambled here and very aware that writing partly for catharsis. If anyone has experienced this crippling doubt/regret when it comes to serious relationships and your head and your womb grappling for attention - do let me know. Any word at this stage will help so much with what is building anxiety again and wanting to 'do the right thing' before bringing a new life in to the world.

Thank you 😊

OP posts:
TheNaze73 · 17/07/2017 17:45

If you are not married & torn between 2 people, cut to the chase & get with the person, you'd have an affair with.

No amount of nicety is worth sacrificing pure animal passion for. We're mammals after all

Saiman · 17/07/2017 17:53

Sounds like neither of these guys are right for you.

No stability becomes a huge issue when there are kids involved. That said a sexless marriage isnt fun either and that will be a huge issue.

I do think your wanting kids is clouding your relationship judgment. The 2nd guy can give you kids, much eaiser than the first one. I have never (not to say it doesnt happen) come across someone who speaks to kids who aren't even concieved yet.

It suggests to me that the pull of being able to have kids with the 2nd man is making you hold on to him.

Having kids woth no security with a man who cant also isnt secure is a huge recipe for disaster.

Aquamarine1029 · 17/07/2017 17:55

My first thought/concern, is that you went from your ex to your new partner only two weeks after you broke up with exdp. Do you think you really had enough time to process such a massive loss? Now, I totally understand why the relationship with your ex ended. A passionless, sexless partnership would be torturous, no matter how many great qualities the person has. Have you had any therapy to try and work through your situation. I'm so sorry, this must be very difficult.

rizlett · 17/07/2017 17:55

Perhaps neither of these two are right enough for you. There are millions of men in the world. I get that you are keen to get baby making and maybe the right one is just around the corner. Have faith.

OnaTrain · 17/07/2017 18:06

I second what Aquamarine said. You started this relationship 2 weeks after you left your dp? So you didn't have any time to process what when wrong and grieve the ending of it. And you've been in a relationship since then so have probably not had the headspace to do it in the mean time.

Sounds like you're still mentally entwined with your exdp.

Added to that you probably feel very insecure because of your living /work situation.

The problem that caused you to leave your ex dp has not been resolved. It made you unhappy then and would do again if you got back with him. It would be horrible to bring children into an unhappy relationship. Yes you are romanticising.

Are you happy with your new dp?
Maybe take some time without pressure to have a think. You don't have to make a decision straight away. And definitely don't have children before you are more settled. I know wanting to have children is a strong urge doesn't mean you have to act on it. All the vibrations stuff is probably hormones and being in love, no matter how real it feels.

What's wrong with you being the bread winner? Much better to be financially independent that to rely on a man.

user1498328475 · 17/07/2017 18:17

I'd dump both, so much analysis yet you still can't decide. Start afresh.

Onedaysoooon · 17/07/2017 18:20

I don't think your current partner is right for you long term but definitely don't go back to your ex. I don't see how he could give you children in any case if you went years without sex.

nauticant · 17/07/2017 18:40

Definitely not ex-partner and probably not your current partner. There's something off with you current partner which you seem to have hinted at but not made explicit. Is there more to this you haven't posted?

KarmaNoMore · 17/07/2017 18:50

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ILostItInTheEarlyNineties · 17/07/2017 18:52

I agree with nauticant what is the problem with your current partner? He's not rich? He's not working/can't work? If he's on a low income, then it's still possible to be happy.
Your post is long but very flowery, it's hard to see the facts.

Gotanewusernamenow · 17/07/2017 18:55

I too agree with nauticant

AuntieStella · 17/07/2017 18:57

Neither sounds right for you.

It might be best to live independently for a while, and find out more about what you really want, then find a partner who is a closer match to that than either of these two.

Talking things through with a neutral third party (such as a counsellor) might help you sort out what you are really thinking or feeling, and help you move on. You sound very stuck right now, which is why I think breaking free and really being you is likely to help.

NinonDeLenclos · 17/07/2017 19:02

Neither.

By the sounds of Mr great sex doesn't have a job and may not be good at holding one down.

MistressDeeCee · 17/07/2017 19:14

You want the 2nd one but you don't like that he's not as financially stable as the 1st one that you left. Its as simple as that.

If money is important to you at this stage particularly thinking about raising a child, then you need to leave Man2 and hope to find someone else. That doesn't mean going back to Man/Mr "just in case"- if he was enough for you, you'd not have left him. & be aware that going back wouldn't necessarily mean he'd jump for joy even if he seems happy to have you back at first. You left him. & that could cloud any happy ending you perceive, in terms of doubts and trust and going ahead to have a child with you

Not to mention when you are a mother you will understand that children are the biggest strain on a relationship ever - and if you aren't in love with your partner or on the same page in very many ways then it is going to be a nightmare. You'd be in an almost sexless marriage too, and have feelings for Man2 on top of that

Its YOU that isn't right for THEM. You want what you want but are aiming to get that via 2 men who aren't up to what you want, for differing reasons.

The right and sensible way would be to be very honest with yourself and leave them both. If you want a combination of love, sex and financial stability then thats not possible right now. & you want things in place right now. I doubt things will end well at all if you don't move on

bluejelly · 17/07/2017 19:27

I used to bounce around from relationship to relationship saying 'he's really nice, but...'. There was always a but.
I then took 2 years out of dating, learned to enjoy being single and then met someone with whom there were no buts.
Don't settle for second best. Keep searching until you find someone who is your best friend/would make a great dad and with whom you are physically compatible. You can have it all.

jeaux90 · 17/07/2017 19:57

Take a couple of years out from relationships altogether you are defining yourself and your life by them.

4 years single was the best present I ever gave myself

kittybiscuits · 17/07/2017 20:07

When you feel like two people joined together would be exactly right for you, neither of them is. It must have been very difficult to be with your husband and very hard to leave too. It's not really surprising that you wanted an exciting sexual relationship. But you know the other guy is not right for having children with.

Whichwayyisup · 17/07/2017 20:16

What is it about your new partner that you feel is unstable?

Barbaro · 17/07/2017 20:41

In all honesty? If you continue bouncing between the two men (not literally, but you cant decide which one to have), I can see you ending up pregnant by the second one, leaving him to try and get back into a relationship with the first one, which may or may not happen, and you may end up as a single mother. Might not be bothered by that, but I can see that happening if you continue like this.

I think like others have said you're not ready for a relationship. You havent gotten over your ex, and you're too desperate to have kids right now, you need to calm down, be single for a while and get your head straight about what you want. Having children will happen, but neither sound like the right person to have kids with, or will be your lifetime partner.

SchnitzelVonKrumm · 17/07/2017 23:36

So you're in a serious relationship for five years, split up, and then two weeks later you're ready for another serious relationship? With literally the next bloke you speak to?
Please don't bring any children into this.

MrsLupo · 18/07/2017 01:23

One day, at dinner, without anything other than instinct coursing through me - I stood up and left.

To me, this is the most important sentence in your OP. Instincts like this shouldn't be ignored. I don't know if Mr2 is right for you, but I'm damn sure Mr1 isn't. That doesn't mean there won't be sadness and regrets, and you probably haven't made it easy for yourself to process those by jumping headlong into a new relationship, but imo it would be a mistake to go back.

But what about Mr2? He sounds fantastic tbh. I think whirlwind romances can be very successful actually, especially for people with good instincts. At some level you obviously recognise something in him that answers the question, what am I looking for? But you also have doubts, so what are they exactly? If it's literally that he doesn't earn much, isn't a 'good provider', as MNetters like to call it, well, there are worse things, and if you know this going in then you have the option to take steps to mitigate the effects of it. If it's more that he isn't emotionally stable partner/father material, then I guess I would think more carefully about whether the heady chemical excitement of your new romance is worth the years of lone (or might-as-well-be-lone) parenthood that might follow. I'm in the driving seat of nearly everything is a state of affairs that will pall as you get up for a crying baby at 3am for the umpteenth night running, especially if you're also the one getting up for work in the morning, and it won't feel any better as your child/ren get older and more complicated.

I think I would give some thought to what you're really seeing in your mind's eye when you say potentially not on the same page with me and ask yourself honestly how you feel about your worst case scenario with this guy.

But forget Mr1, he's a red herring.

And knickers to what your friends and family think. No one knows what goes on between a couple, so no one else is in a position to judge.

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