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Man messaging my wife, emotional affair or not?

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marinebeach · 13/07/2017 16:54

I am writing here as I need some advice on a particular subject. I am a married man in my thirties as is my wife and we have a son under 2. We have been together for 15 years and married for the last 3 of those.
Basically there is a male colleague at my wife's work that fancies her and it all started a few months before we got married. This new bloke started at her work one day and for a good few months I only heard his name crop us very occasionally and within a professional manner, however she is very close to her group of work colleagues and calls them 'best friends' even though I have never been introduced to them and they weren't invited to our wedding. Anyhow overtime his name cropped up a lot more and this time in a more friendly and flirty way then before. I had never met the guy, she and her work mates would go for drinks twice a month and I would never be invited. She would sometimes come home so late and so drunk without letting me know she was OK, she would ignore my texts or text 'home in an hour' and then be back 4 hours later. I would ask her about this behavior and she would always get defensive and tell me I am being silly etc.
I then noticed this bloke was all over her social media pages, liking and commenting on every selfie she had taken but avoided any pictures of me or of us together. I asked her to ask him if it was alright if he could maybe stop leaving 'likes' and 'wink eye' emojis and comments like 'sexy' etc on her pictures. We were getting married at this point and it was causing me anxiety with everything that was happening. She did tell him reluctantly but he still persisted. I asked her to ask him again as he was still doing it and she got mad, she got very defensive and said he was a really good friend and there is nothing going on and she just has to work with him. I felt I could have just been paranoid at this point but my gut feeling was that something was wrong. I suggested inviting the guy to our wedding if he was such a good friend but she denied it by saying she didn't want anyone from work there. She continued to go out with this guy and her work mates without me and I tried to ignore how uncomfortable I felt, until she would come home and drunkenly tell me that he had told her he really fancies her and 'would hit on her if she was single'. This happened a few times. I would question her the next day to which she would deny it but then say it was just harmless drunken chat etc.
We got married and he seemed to back off for a while but then there were late nights texts and snapchats from him. I happened to see one night whilst reading in bed, her phone flashed a few times and he was sending her pictures of selfies of himself he had taken. I asked her if she thought that was appropriate and she said no it wasn't but still defended his weird behavior. I got the impression he knew he was getting to me, so I messaged him and asked to meet for a beer so I could explain why his behavior was causing this situation. I met him and explained how I felt, I kept it cool and he apologised for making me feel awkward but not for actually behaving that way. He made a few comments that clearly suggested he has a thing for my wife but there was not much else I could do at that point, I had to accept his feeble apology and walk away. This seemed to work for a while as he backed off for a few months.
My wife then gave birth to our son and for roughly 18 months I heard not a peep from this guy until recently. After my wife finished her maternity leave and went back to work they started going out drinking again and he like before was suddenly all over her social media and texting her in the evenings, even after spending the day at work together. Yet again I told her how I feel, I just wanted her know and understand how it is from my end and again she got all defensive. She is very insistent on him being a 'best friend' but still to this day, I have never been invited out with her work lot even though others have their partners/spouses there. I get left looking after my son while she goes out and gets drunk, again ignores my texts and turns up at 4am in the morning, knowing full well I have work at 6am.
I saw her talking to him over email the other day, I was next to her on the sofa and she was asking him advice about her phone as it wasn't working properly and she needed to recover old photos. Eventually she recovered them but he made comments about them, like 'oh you were hot 5 years ago but you're so fit now' and 'wow, hot stuff' and 'i'd love to help you out any other way possible, wink wink'...
For me all this is crossing the line, it doesn't seem innocent and it's causing me such mental trauma. I have a mortgage and a little boy to think about now, and this guy still after 3 years and a face-to-face meeting has the audacity to flirt with my wife. I really want to be done with this situation once and for all but feel I am almost powerless, I have been reasonable and opened up my emotions but it's all to no avail clearly.
I don't believe my wife has slept with him or done anything but she does entertain his flirting and keeps me very separate from any situation he is involved in. Any help/advice will be greatly received as I feel I am lost and don't know how to deal with it anymore. I just want to move on and be a family without this awkward situation slowing us down.... Thanks!

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NotAnotherNoughtiesTune · 13/07/2017 20:22

Get a female friend to text the same.

I wonder what her reaction would be?

NotAnotherNoughtiesTune · 13/07/2017 20:22

To you thetcis, not her.

rainbowpie · 13/07/2017 20:26

Oh my goodness, that's really bad. Yes, that is an emotional affair. She has no respect for you at all. You have brought this up multiple times and it still continues. LTB and let him have her.

Nainer123 · 13/07/2017 20:52

i understand you want to blame the guy but it's just as much your wife. She seems to love the attention and is doig doing nothing to dissuade him from giving it. If she had respect for your marriage she would tell him that it's not appropriate and to stop. The way she is behaving is horrible. I'm afraid shes the one that's married and she's walking all over you.

Yes he shouldn't be flirting ect with a married woman but she is the one who is married and let's it continue and appears to encourage it.

Most women come across these really flirty guys and can put them off if the wish to. She could easily call quits on this. What does it tell you that she hasn't and continues to even though you've told her multiple times.

I'd get out of this. You sound like a really nice man and she's treating you like shit

BarryTheKestrel · 13/07/2017 21:15

Her lack of respect for you is astounding.
Ultimatum time. Him or you. Although personally I'd have been gone long ago. Everyone has the odd flirt every now and again but prolonged flirting with someone who you know has a thing for you is too close to cheating for me. It's an emotional affair if not a physical one.

If she won't give up his 'friendship' then you need to leave. She will destroy you otherwise.

Sn0tnose · 13/07/2017 23:31

I think that you're underplaying her behaviour. She's treating you incredibly badly and you're blaming him and letting her have the benefit of the doubt. If this is still just an emotional affair rather than a physical affair, then it sounds like it's only a matter of time before it progresses.

She's your wife. You and your feelings are supposed to come miles ahead of some random bloke she shares an office with. If someone you worked with had a thing for you, you'd say 'thanks but no thanks. I'm happily married'. What you wouldn't do is respond to late night messages, permit them to continue leaving suggestive remarks on your pics on FB and build a closer friendship with them. I think she fancies him, she's welcoming the attention from him and that your trust in her is misplaced.

marinebeach · 13/07/2017 23:37

Thanks for all of these comments, it has been very helpful and I need to start making some changes!

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wherearemymarbles · 14/07/2017 07:58

Do you know for sure she is actually out with workmates?

Next time she asks if you trust her just say, you know what I am not sure I do because the way youe behave gives me no reason to.

As others mentioned so secretive is she with her phone? And just to reiterate the problem is your wife, not him. He owes you nothing.

SimplyJo · 14/07/2017 10:59

I have to agree with the majority of the comments, the problem is your wife, not this bloke. She is not only allowing him an opening to get more personal, but actively encouraging it. And she probably enjoys the impact it has on you, on some unconscious level.

If you want to make an impact, pack your bags and take your son and stay with other family for a few days. I honestly believe she see's nothing wrong with her behaviour. And nothing short of drastic action will get her to see it.

Adora10 · 14/07/2017 11:10

She is a disgrace, your anger at him is misplaced slightly, you should be more angry at her; he'd not be engaging with her if she wasn't participating; I'd honestly be doubting her love as well as any trust I had in her, it's like she wants the marriage to fail; how many times have you told her, you've even met the guy for goodness sake but she still continues this emotional affair, because that's what is sounds like.

Find your self worth and strength and tell her it ends today or else you're done.

OnionKnight · 14/07/2017 11:13

If my wife behaved like this, her stuff would be in bins bags and thrown outside.

franklyidontgiveadamscarlet · 14/07/2017 11:18

If you can afford to go out and drink you can afford a babysitter op.
You know when she goes out so surprise her at the place she drinks.
Or stop going out without each other and connect as a couple and enjoy your time together.
If she makes excuses them you know she dose not care about you or your little family ..

Moanyoldcow · 14/07/2017 13:02

Your wife is the problem here. If I were her, a) I'd never allow boundaries to be blurred in such a way and b) I'd make it clear I didn't welcome the attention.

Your requests have been completely reasonable. Your wife's responses have not.

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AnyFucker · 14/07/2017 13:39

As is usual with most of these threads where someone is being made a mug of, your anger is misdirected

Tell her to get the fuck out

MumBod · 14/07/2017 13:41

What AF said.

supersop60 · 14/07/2017 13:43

Inappropriate behaviour at the very least. Apologies if pp have said this - read "Not just friends". There's a little quiz near the beginning that is very revealing. Good luck.

Youcanttaketheskyfromme · 14/07/2017 13:49

I think her behaviour is awful. I would state she stops all contact with this man or your marriage is over.

As it is she isn't concerned with your feels nor is she respecting your wishes. She doesn't sound very nice at all. Personally I would leave her.

IVFNewbie · 14/07/2017 15:47

Horrendous behaviour from her. I suspect she's already been physical with him. Ultimatum time I'm afraid. And stick to your guns.

Saiman · 14/07/2017 16:44

But I do trust her, I don't trust this guy, that's all.

While this guy is clealy a dickhead. Why would yo trust her?

He hasnt got anything to do with how she is choosing to treat you. He doesnt need telling anything. Its your wife that is your problem.

JellyBean31 · 14/07/2017 17:13

Obviously this is appalling behaviour from your wife and I am not condoning it in the slightest. However I do just want to pick up on what you said about wanting to join her on work nights out and her refusing.

I go out with work colleagues a lot, mixture of male and female. There was never anything going on with me and any of them but things definitely happened with others. when I was married it was about once a month at the most, BUT.... I would never in a million years have invited my exH along

  1. He would have read something into a throw away comment from a male work colleague and tortured me with afterwards
  2. He would have judged the behaviour of other people that had nothing to do with him and tortured me with afterwards
  3. He would have made me (and probably everyone else) uncomfortable as he'd have been looking for a sign of something going on
  4. I couldn't have trusted him not to cause a row and consequently affect my working relationship with others.

He never asked to come a long as he knew what the answer would be but if he had I'd have told him all those reasons to his face

Is it even a tiny bit possible that the reason she doesn't want you there is one of the above?

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