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Struggling with my marriage. Need advice and hugs :(

29 replies

japonicaleaf · 02/07/2017 11:35

NC for this sorry. It's kind of embarrassing. Sad

It's a bit long, (sorry!) but I didn't want to drip feed.

I am really struggling in my marriage, and with my husband at the moment, and what to do about it, if anything. I go from wanting him to fuck off and leave one day and not being able to be in the same room as him, to being perfectly ok with him, and having a laugh and a good time. I would say the marriage is two thirds good or very good, and one third below average to unbearable. When it’s good it’s great, when it’s bad, it’s absolutely intolerable.

My husband has terrible mood swings, and sometimes has very dark episodes. There are 3 day spells when I can’t say anything right and can’t do right for doing wrong. And there is rarely any reason for it. I am sick of waking up not knowing what kind of mood he is going to be in that day, or what is going to annoy him. Little things seem to piss him off, including little things that I do. And he occasionally has complete screaming fits in public; like if someone cuts him up in the car park, he goes off on one, then he spends the rest of the day in a rage. And he takes me down with him as he leaves a dark and toxic atmosphere in his wake. For the rest of the day, and the following day too sometimes.

He was so incensed at something that happened yesterday afternoon that every last person in the store that we were walking around, looked as he screamed and swore and threw stuff across the floor. Some people looked at me with pity as they could see me going flame red. I walked off to the other end of the store so as not to be anywhere near him, and he comes after me saying ‘I’m not angry with you, I am angry with fucking stupid ignorant people!’ I said ‘too right you’re not angry with me, I have done fuck-all wrong, and I see no need for an absolute meltdown in public. I recognised a couple of people who saw and heard you!’ ‘I don’t care what anyone else thinks’ he snapped. ‘Well I do!’ I yelled.

All the way home (half hour drive,) I just didn’t speak to him, and went and cried in the bathroom when I got in. He went to bed at 5pm in the spare room and is still there now. An entire Saturday evening and night ruined – AND probably an entire Sunday, because of his petulance and dark mood. He seemed ok earlier in the day, but said he had ‘felt stressed for days’ – fuck knows why as he has an easy life!

He works 4 days on and 4 days off in a supermarket and does 30 hours a week. The job is a doddle, and although we are not loaded, we are not poor either. We tick along ok. I worked for 37 years in a government job and took (early) retirement a couple of years ago, and I do a little job from home, around 12 hours a week. I think he deeply resents it that I get to stay at home and he has to work. (We are both in our mid 50's by the way.) He doesn’t mind me being at home as such, he just wishes he was as well sometimes.

Every few weeks I find myself fantasising about leaving him, and think I would be much happier alone, but then he is OK for a couple of weeks, and we have a few laughs, and I think ’I guess he isn’t that bad.’ Besides, where the hell would I go? Both sets of parents have passed and we have very little family. (Just 2 adult children and one sibling each who both lives 100s of miles away – one abroad - who we rarely see.)

I don’t fancy being poor either, and have seen many single middle aged women I know struggling to even top up the electric key, and fighting for hours at work, and struggling to pay the rent. I don’t want to be in that position. I bring in an OK income but would struggle to survive alone. Another thing is, we have a long term social housing tenancy which we waited 5 years for, after living in private let for some years, and I am not prepared to sacrifice my home. It’s a home for life, I love it here, and the rent is super cheap. (It’s a small 2 bed house.)

So I don’t want to leave as I would have to go to some expensive private rental house with no security. And the private lets where we live are very expensive. I would probably need to go back to work - probably full time - , and as I worked for 37 years and retired early, I am extremely happy to be retired, and have no desire to go back into the workplace. I would need to work full time too, and even then would struggle.

We have 2 adult children who left home several years ago and know nothing about how I feel, but they do know what a moody, awkward, passive aggressive pig he can be, and how you never know what mood you’re going to get from him that day. He has annoying habits too, like he follows me around when I am doing stuff and gets underfoot, and keeps talking and talking when I am watching something or trying to do something. And he always wants to know what I am doing on the laptop, and keeps interrupting me. If I say I am doing something, and can he be quiet for a bit, he goes into a sulk and doesn’t talk for a few hours! (Not every time, but sometimes….)

And he opens my texts and reads them but doesn’t tell me so I don’t know I have got them! I got a doctor’s appointment cancellation the other week, and I turned up because I didn’t notice the text because he had opened it! (It’s an old PAYG phone with no lock or PIN, so I have to bloody hide it now, so he can’t get to it!)

In addition, he is rather clingy and flat out will NOT go out anywhere without me. If he says ‘I need to go here or there or wherever,’ I will usually go with him, but if I say ‘ see you later then, I’m not fussed about coming out,’ he says ‘ummm, I’ll leave it then,’ and takes his shoes off and doesn’t go out!’ I say ‘oh for God’s sake all right then, let’s go!’ and he says ‘nah it’s all right now, I don’t wanna go now.’ And refuses to go.

So I end up feeling bad because I have stopped him from going out. (Yeah I know I didn’t stop him, but I feel like I did.) It’s like he’s doing it to ‘punish’ me for not doing what he wanted. I mean like he won’t even go to the doctors on his own, or the dentist or anything. So I end up going with him - otherwise he won’t go. God knows what he would do if I wasn’t here. ARGH! It’s so frustrating. Even when I worked, I worked 3.5 days a week, so he would book appointments and suchlike for my days off! I really wish he would get some friends and some hobbies.

He is fine with me going out without him by the way, he just hates to go out without me.

Apart from me and our 2 adult children who live away from home now, he literally has no-one else (his small extended family lives 100s of miles away and they have little contact and his folks passed many years ago.) I don’t think he would survive without me if I left to be honest, but I am feeling so suffocated and trapped some days.

I swear if I won a couple of 100 grand tomorrow, I would be off. Do I love him? I don’t know. Some days I feel I do, some days I feel I don’t. I care about him and don’t wish him any harm, and if I left I would still want contact and to see him as a friend, and he is the father of my 2 children. But I feel so low some days at the thought of spending the next 30 years (potentially) with him. And I am dreading him retiring. He moans about work every day and how ‘hard’ it is – taking in deliveries in a supermarket and stacking shelves – and he has been to the doctors no end of times this past 2 years, trying to get written off on long-term sick. But they won’t write him off as no matter how many ailments he says he has, when they do tests on him, they find nothing wrong.

Help! I am struggling. As I said, it’s OK maybe two thirds of the time, and I do have some good times and good laughs with him, and we do have quite a bit in common; but it's almost unbearable the other third of the time and as I said, some days, I dread the future with him.

I don’t think leaving him is an option for the reasons I listed earlier (financial problems, don’t want to lose my secure home etc, and it’s not a massively awful marriage,) but how can I deal with this?

OP posts:
chips4teaplease · 02/07/2017 11:40

Imagine this.
You have either your current home or a small home that suits you.
He isn't in it.

Does that feel good?
You know what to do next.
Have hugs.

ImperialBlether · 02/07/2017 11:41

This depressed me so much. I'm sorry but it sounds like he's a dead weight hanging around you. All that moaning and following and moodiness would drive me insane.

The biggest problem, as far as I can see, is the housing. Is there any way you could trade in that house for two flats or something like that?

IrritatedUser1960 · 02/07/2017 11:41

Your only option is to kill him.

But seriously if that isn't an option I suggest you call his bluff and tell him he has exactly 6 months before you leave him for the following reasons and insist he comes with you to counselling and possibly anger management. He can't be allowed to get away with this.

WorknameJimEllis · 02/07/2017 11:43

Imagine you live to be 100, looking back on a long life.

You stayed with him. What did that life look like? Were you glad you spent that ONE precious life living that way?

Get the fuck outta there.

WorknameJimEllis · 02/07/2017 11:45

Oh, and get a second hand smartphone with a lock fgs.

You gen pick the m up very cheap secondhand

Birdsbeesandtrees · 02/07/2017 11:47

It sounds a bit like depression. Is he willing to do anything about it ?

elisa2502 · 02/07/2017 11:47

Sounds like my first Husband. We have been divorced for 13 years. Best decision ever I am far far happier

Birdsbeesandtrees · 02/07/2017 11:47

If not I don't see a reason to stay with him. There might not even be a reason if he did do something about it but that's up to you.

BorisTrumpsHair · 02/07/2017 11:48

Get out of this now and live the rest of your life feeling much much better.

It's clear you no longer want to be in this relationship and I don't blame you one bit.

I lived with an occasionally moody partner. It fucked so much up. It's so so so much better without that presence in my life.

Naicehamshop · 02/07/2017 11:51

I understand your problem about the housing; as previously said, could you possibly swap the house for a couple of flats? Is it worth trying to talk to the council/housing association?

I honestly think you need to seriously look into leaving him. His behaviour sounds absolutely intolerable (especially the public meltdowns) and I think it could end up damaging your mental health if you stay with it long-term.

Good luck. Flowers

japonicaleaf · 02/07/2017 12:35

Thank you all for your thoughts and I know you all have good valid points, I think I am just scared of leaving and being alone, and then I think 'well it's ok about two thirds of the time.' And when it's good it's great. Then I think 'but it's intolerable and 'below average' ONE third of the time.' And do I want to spend the rest of my life like this?

I could have a word with the housing association and mention that I am thinking of leaving my husband but don't want to lose my permanent secure tenancy, and could I go on the transfer list for a one bed flat or bungalow? But again, I am scared of struggling on my own. Then again, the rent would probably be cheap.

There seem to be more reasons to leave than to stay. As I said, we get on ok two thirds of the time, but I am sick of second guessing what mood he is going to be in from one day to the next. The entire mood of the house is determined by him and his pathetic, toxic, moods. If he is in a great mood that week, all is fine and dandy, and if he is feeling shit, the atmosphere is vile. I lose entire weekends to his toxic vile moods, and get sick of seeing his dark face glaring at me with sideways glances like he wants to kill someone. And as I said, it is often for fuck all, and I have - 9 times out of 10, done precisely nothing wrong.. I wonder if that is one of the reasons my kids left to be honest. They said several times over the past 3 or 4 years they lived with us. that they are sick of dad's moods and how unpredictable he is.

I do wonder if I started the process of leaving him, seriously started it, like contacted the housing association and got myself on a transfer list, and opened a private lockup (storage,) to start moving my stuff to, and then told him I am done with the marriage, if that would give him the kick he needs to change.

But then again, I can't see him changing - ever. I mean, I have had it out with him before a number of times, and he has said sorry and promised to change and be better, and then he is ok for a few weeks, then the old him returns, and it's like the conversation never happened. Also, after every 'episode' he says he is sorry and he loves me and he will try and be a bit more cheerful, and then he is a bastard again a week later and it goes on happening over and over ad infinitum.

He has been this way since I have known him if I am being honest; negative, moody about a third of the time, ranty and angry, full of self loathing, hating his life, blaming everyone but himself for how shit his life is (or how he perceives it to be - he actually has an easy life!) and feeling envious of more successful men. He is bitterly jealous of our daughter's boyfriend's father who is a successful business man with a big house, a big car, a villa in Florida, and a lush lifestyle.

Yet my husband has never done fuck-all to improve his life or career prospects. Our daughter's boyfriend's father didn't have any more opportunities than he did. He just worked harder, got himself educated, took a few risks, and did well for himself! My husband can't see this though, and just sees him as an 'arrogant git.' He is absolutely lovely by the way. A really nice man. I think this royally fucks my husband off too. Whenever we meet him and have a chat, he rants about what a boring, arrogant shit he is. Pathetic really.

As I said, he has always been a bit like this, he just seems to have got worse over the last 10 years. Going back to the possibility of leaving him, I am also worried that he might blow up and he may have a meltdown and destroy everything I have and try and boot me out. Shock

He has been aggressive and violent before (never with me or the kids but with smashing things in a temper.) So I don't know how he will react, and am a bit worried about it. That's why I toyed with getting a lock up for my personal private stuff.

It's so hard. In some ways I don't want to leave as I have a nice life to be honest, and leaving would turn it upside down. But I don't know how much longer I can go on living like this. Do I tolerate it to maintain my current lifestyle, (as he is OK more than not,) or bite the bullet, and start the process of leaving him, because nothing is ever going to change, and I think he will get even worse as he gets older. And the thought of him being at home all the time sends waves of terror through me! Shock

OP posts:
Madbum · 02/07/2017 12:42

He sounds like a clingy tantruming toddler.
If you won't leave him and he won't change what else is there, other than pushing him off a cliff I really don't know how to advise you.

japonicaleaf · 02/07/2017 12:47

He has just got up and has waltzed into the lounge with his usual moody dark look, (when he's got one on him.) and a grunt, as he swanned into the kitchen to grab his breakfast. Another day of toxic air.

'You still in a mood?' I said. 'I haven't said anything to indicate I am have I?' he snapped.

Don't know how much longer I can tolerate this.

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UnicornRainbowPoo · 02/07/2017 13:26

Can you you go out anywhere for the afternoon so you don't have to sit with him while he stews? A long walk, coffee with a friend, anything going on around your area, school fairs, fundraisers etc that you could pop along to so you have a destination in mind rather than aimless walking?

My stbxh was a bit like this, the kids used to say he had worse PMT than I did! The house is a much calmer place with him gone. I'd rather live in a cardboard box on the street that go through that again.

You have many years left and you are allowed to be happy and live your life without this misery. What got me about your post was the throwing things around in a shop, I don't think I could tolerate that, I may even have spoken to the security guard. My ex was rude to a bus driver once when he was with me, I told him I would never travel on public transport with him again. Apparently his rudeness was a common occurrence! He was quite proud of the fact. These men don't change, they don't want to, he is using his moods to control you and make sure you toe the line. Leaving is scary, but which is more frightening living the rest of your life like this or leaving?

japonicaleaf · 02/07/2017 13:36

@UnicornRainbowPoo

You have many years left and you are allowed to be happy and live your life without this misery. What got me about your post was the throwing things around in a shop, I don't think I could tolerate that, I may even have spoken to the security guard. My ex was rude to a bus driver once when he was with me, I told him I would never travel on public transport with him again. Apparently his rudeness was a common occurrence! He was quite proud of the fact. These men don't change, they don't want to, he is using his moods to control you and make sure you toe the line. Leaving is scary, but which is more frightening living the rest of your life like this or leaving?

Good points, and I take it all on board.

My husband won't ever change either. I just know it.

When you say they use their moods to control you, why do you think they do this? And are they doing it deliberately? Thing is, I have read so many threads, on here and on other forums, from women who have men who are exactly the same.

So I wonder why they behave like this, and if they know they're doing it.

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UnicornRainbowPoo · 02/07/2017 14:46

I don't know if they know what they are doing, I never discussed it my ex, there was no point as he was never wrong and never took responsibility for his own actions, his emotions were always due to something someone else (mostly me) had or hadn't done!

Read The Emotionally Abusive Relationship by Patricia Evans, she explains it quite well, it is available on Kindle and Kindle Unlimited if you don't want a physical copy hanging around the house.

You do deserve better than this you know, and you've taken the first step in acknowledging that something is not right. There are posters on here who are a lot better at the advice etc than I am and hopefully some of them will be along to help, in the meantime have some Flowers and Brew

pocketsaviour · 02/07/2017 15:26

Of course his behaviour has driven the DC away.

Do you want to be involved in your dc's lives, in those of your future dgc? If you leave, I am 100% certain that you will achieve a closer relationship. If you stay, your DC will continue to distance themselves.

On the practical /financial side, if you were moved into a HA flat, could you increase the income or hours at your current work at home activity? Or take on something else undemanding but well paid. You are clearly well educated and intelligent - could you consider doing some private tutoring, for example?

You say that his behaviour has got worse and that doesn't surprise me. If he had been in his current state when you first met, would you have married him?

AlternativeTentacle · 02/07/2017 15:35

put your name down for a HA flat and get out of there.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 02/07/2017 15:42

Japonicaleaf

What do you get out of this relationship now?. What you are describing here is an abusive marriage.

Such men behave like this because they can and their own parents taught them this is normal. Pound to a penny your H's own childhood was abusive in nature. He probably thinks he has done nothing wrong here with regards to you; such men hate women, all of them in particular his mother.

But I have to look at you in all this; why have you tolerated this from him over the years?. You have stayed for your own reasons and those are flimsy ones at best. Your children have now left home understandably. You state you have a nice life; no you do not. That is your own denial talking right there. Abusive men as well are not nasty all the time but you are certainly caught up in the nice/nasty cycle of abuse and that is a continuous one.

What did you learn about relationships when growing up, was your own father like this man is now?. Did you go into this marriage thinking that you could somehow make this individual nicer?.

Small wonder your adult children have left home and do not come back home to visit often if at all; they may well wonder of you why you have put this man consistently before them.

What you have also forgotten here is that the only acceptable level of abuse within a relationship is NONE. He crossed that line a long time ago.

BTW smashing up stuff in the home is an example of domestic violence. The Rights of Women organisation and Womens Aid are well worth contacting in your circumstances. I sincerely hope you manage to set yourself free of this individual before you are dead because it will certainly be too late then.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 02/07/2017 15:45

Japonicaleaf,

Re your fears of being alone.

The late Robin Williams once said this:-

" I used to think that the worst thing in life was to end up alone. It's not. The worst thing in life is to end up with people who make you feel alone"

I would also suggest better to be alone than to be so badly accompanied. He has simply dragged you down with him into his pit.

MyGastIsFlabbered · 02/07/2017 16:06

Get the hell out, it sounds like your husband has some sort of MH problem but if he won't acknowledge it or do anything about it then he'll never change. Nor does it give him carte blanche to treat you this way. I say this as someone who has seen more MH professionals than most.

However, in a way you've enabled it by putting up with it in the past, you've always accepted his poor treatment of you so why would he change now? Do you really want to spend the rest of your life like this?

MadeForThis · 02/07/2017 16:10

You have many years left. Do you want to spend a third of them unhappy?

It ant hurt to find out if you could transfer your tenancy to a one bed flat. At least you would know your options then.

Don't make decisions based on how he would cope. He is an adult who is choosing the behave this way.

WorknameJimEllis · 02/07/2017 16:22

The thing is, the 2/3 time that you claim it's great...

It really isn't.

You are spending that time on edge waiting for the mood to descend. It must be fucking awful.

Imagine what it's going to be like to feel free of that.

Shoxfordian · 02/07/2017 16:23

Yeah his behaviour isn't acceptable

Ltb

AndieNZ · 02/07/2017 19:17

OP you get one life and that's it. Life's way too short to endure a marriage like that.

It must be living hell. Stifling hell given the fact he has to accompany you everywhere.

Think about If one of your DC had a marriage like yours, what advice would you give them?

Stop making excuses with the 2/3 happy etc. The bad times are surely outweighing the good times. Get out now before he drags you down any further.

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