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My ex is a narc! Get me outta here!

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mermaidofthewestside · 01/07/2017 18:25

Hi all
There used to be a thread for those whose exes are up there on the narcissist scale I think but couldn't find it.
Split with ex when DD was a year old. Three years later I have pretty much brought her up with no support from him. He never instigates days to have her/overnights and I have exhausted myself by trying to keep them in touch. I have tried everything & even stayed in touch with his mum with photos & updates etc.
He has gradually become more & more disinterested in DD since he met his GF 2 years ago. They have since had a baby and moved away from where we are (an hour's drive)
Since March he has seen DD (age 4) three times & she has stayed at his once.
He doesn't ring her or ask how she is. He does pay maintenance which I usually have to remind him about.
He has been away & not seen DD for 4 weeks & is due to see her next week. He frequently cancels her and never suggests alternative days.
She doesn't want to go next week and said she never wants to stay there again.
There's no consistency.
We (DD and I) have a nice life. Lots of friends (both) & DD is now having sleepovers with friends so we both get a break from one another.
I have emailed ex 3 times in last 2 weeks re dates to see DD & nursery fees. All emails ignored.
Three questions really...

  1. Should I suggest he calls it a day for a while with contact until something more solid can be arranged as DD is very up and down before she sees him, I think due to the inconsistency and last time she saw him said she felt 'sad' at his house.
  2. By law does he have to still pay maintenance if he agrees with the above?
  3. Can anyone understand how his current GF is attracted to someone who hardly ever sees his daughter & doesn't instigate having her apart from at Christmas when he takes her to his mum's?
Any advice/thoughts gratefully accepted. I want the best for DD but he's shown time & again who he is & I don't think the way things are is the way forward. Confused
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foreverconfused83 · 01/07/2017 19:01

Your situation sounds stressful. In response to your questions...

  1. Yes stop contact until he can agree to concrete dates. The contact is not about him it should always be about the chils's needs.
  2. Yes he does, contact or no contact, legally he is still her father
  3. Maybe she has no morals?!

If all else fails stop all contact and tell him to seek legal advice if he wants contact

mermaidofthewestside · 01/07/2017 19:10

Thanks *foreverconfused'
It's stressful indeed & really confusing for DD who asks questions like 'why doesn't daddy want me to come to his house'
It's becoming harder to be diplomatic & it's heartbreaking as all her friends with separated parents see their dads lots & many have been on hols with their dads and she is seeing that.
It's really sad.

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jeaux90 · 01/07/2017 19:15

Knock it on the head. My dd 8 hasn't seen her dad since she was 3. I left when she was 1. Abusive narc.

I've stayed in contact with his family who have a positive relationship with her but don't bust your balls over him. She is better off.

The therapist who I say told me to take my daughter and run.

You don't need to formalise it with him just leave it alone and go limited contact with him.

I say this from experience. It's better for your kid and you. X

mermaidofthewestside · 01/07/2017 19:21

Cheers Jeaux
I've just chatted to DD and she said she feels happy with me & everyone else and sad with daddy and she'd like to not see him for a while. Wow.
Sounds like you've been thru a lot.
My only concern is him refusing to pay maintenance which would mean we couldn't stay in our home as it'd be unaffordable.
What wd happen to him if he refused?

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ddrmum · 01/07/2017 20:25

OP, as already said by pp he still has to pay child maintenance. If he refuses, go to the child maintenance sevice & let them deal with him (hopefully he's not self employed). You DD doesn't want to see him, then don't force it. As for the gf, she probably doesn't know the truth & has been spun a merry tale or she's gullible/no morals etc. Don't waste time worrying about it, just enjoy your DD without the interference of someone who just can't be arsed.

RedastheRose · 01/07/2017 20:34

It will be better for her in the long run if you cut contact since he doesn't seem to want to bother with her. If she feels sad seeing him then don't let him put her through that. Narcs are simply unwilling to consider anyone but themselves. Go to the csa or whatever it is called now and get them to collect the maintenance payments for you.

RedastheRose · 01/07/2017 20:39

Support thread for those of us having to coparent with a narc or very difficult ex partner thread 5
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/2856671-Support-thread-for-those-of-us-having-to-coparent-with-a-narc-or-very-difficult-ex-partner-thread-5

mermaidofthewestside · 01/07/2017 20:51

Thanks DDR and RedRose
I really need to hear this. I'm still minimising his behaviour and letting him get away with cancelling her a the time 3 years later.... It's so unfair on DD.
Seeing her standing at the window for 45 minutes & him not arriving or the time he cancelled her to go to a mates wedding reception when he hadn't seen her for 4 weeks... It's so shit. Yep, I'll just say that he seeks overwhelmingly busy with everything & perhaps better for everyone if he works out how & if things can be more consistent.

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mermaidofthewestside · 01/07/2017 20:52

*seems

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PeppermintPasty · 01/07/2017 20:59

My abusive ex was shown the door almost four years ago. For about a year I exhausted myself trying to keep him in the children's lives. After a series of utter fuckeries by him, quite serious ones involving a gf he had who had her dc removed because of neglect, I drew a line. I said he had to go through a solicitor if he wanted to see his dc. He never bothered.

About 11 months went by, and my son wanted to speak to him, but was too scared to call him so I suggested he text him. He rang my son right away, which opened up a discussion about him seeing the dc. By then he had another gf whom he clearly wanted to impress.

I offered him structured contact as he had been away from them for so long, way more than the law would accept as a starting point, but he immediately (and I mean within 30 seconds of him receiving my text) said he'd see me in court

He had no intention of seeing them, but every intention of making out that he'd tried, but I was so awful I had stopped him, which everyone round here knows is an utter joke.

So, come September this year, it'll be three years since he's seen the dc.

I worried for a bit, particularly with my older child who was a bit sad about it, but I stopped worrying and started using all my energy on being the one good parent.

It's absolutely fine now. The dc have totally adjusted, they never mention him (he still lives around here and we see him about sometimes, never speak to him, my youngest doesn't ever realise it's him!). The dc are amazing frankly, and have shown me the way.

He's with yet another gf at the moment, she has three dc of her own, she also knows about all the emotional, financial and physical abuse I suffered at his hands (more long stories), and yet she is with him.

There really is no accounting for some people.

Oh, and recently I found out that he finally got a decent job, put in a claim for cm, and boom, he's having to pay it, through his employer.

He can't refuse to pay, if you know where he works it will be deducted at source.

mermaidofthewestside · 01/07/2017 21:09

Hi peppermint
It sounds like you have been through so much & you and your kids sound brilliant.
Thanks for the tip about where he works & cm coming out of his wages....
I'm wondering if he is so shallow that now he has new gf and baby to look after he genuinely can't 'manage' any more feelings and has actually ditched DD. She is an amazing kid and none of my friends & family can believe how he has been/is being...
I really believe he is void of all real emotions.

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RedastheRose · 01/07/2017 21:27

Mermaid really don't waste your time or energy on trying to understand him, it really is a completely and utterly futile exercise. WN (Wank Narcs - abbreviation from the parenting with a narc thread) don't care about anyone or anything other than themselves. They can pretend for a while, play the game, say the right things whilst all the time doing as little as possible to actually parent their child. I would bet that his girlfriend will currently be doing absolutely everything for him and the new baby and will very soon start realising that she can't rely upon him for anything other than lip service when it comes to actual support or assistance with the baby. Don't envy her or her child, try and pity the poor bitch, she still has to live with the lying bastard, she has the same sort of disillusionment that you suffered to come. Also I would imagine that her child will be in the same position as yours in a few years time when their relationship has gone tits up too.

kittybiscuits · 01/07/2017 21:33

I don't think you have to tell him anything. Just stop trying to force him to be a decent parent. Don't offer anything further. If he eventually turns up, tell him he contact would have to start in a contact centre or be court ordered. Don't ask him for maintenance. If he can't pay it unless you chase him, give CMS £20 to do it for you. Is he self-employed?

mermaidofthewestside · 01/07/2017 21:42

Hi
Kitty biscuits
Partly self-employed & partly public sector. We split the childcare costs & every month I have to chase his share & apologise to the nursery. It's soooooooo tedious.

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kittybiscuits · 01/07/2017 21:51

Hiya - sounds like you've done more than enough chasing! It's easy to hide self-employed income. You may only manage to get maintenance based on his salary. But you'll never have to speak to him and they'll look at his full income through HMRC annually.

mermaidofthewestside · 02/07/2017 09:37

Just spoke to DD again. She's confirmed again that she doesn't want to see her dad for a while.
Any thoughts on the best way to tell him? Email? (He never answers the phone to me so won't ring him)
Also should I explain to his mum? He's bound to tell her a load off crap and just feel that explaining to her would prevent a whole shower of shit?

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mermaidofthewestside · 02/07/2017 09:39

Me and his mum stay in touch a bit by text.. I have hinted to her how inconsistent he is & the normally just comes back with stuff like 'I hope you sort out your differences for dD's sake' but it's not 'differences' it's him being eternally crap.

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jeaux90 · 02/07/2017 10:11

Don't tell him anything just leave it alone. I know that's not the adult way but if he's a narc then you don't deal with them the way you would normal people.

His mum, don't get her involved in the situation, keep it separate, your dd can have a separate relationship with her.

Sort out the maintenance with the CSA.

mermaidofthewestside · 02/07/2017 10:13

He is due to have her a couple dates in july & aug so will need to say DD doesn't want to see him for the time being...

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mermaidofthewestside · 02/07/2017 10:15

Her relationship with his mum is infrequent (she's in Scotland which is quite far from here so only sees her twice a year-Skype etc with him)
He will defo tell her a load off crap I just think she shd know the truth.. Bad idea?

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kittybiscuits · 02/07/2017 10:36

I don't think, from her previous comments, that she wants to know the truth. I wouldn't involve her any further beyond sending the odd pic. I would wait for him to be in touch to make arrangements and then let him know it's not happening. I understand why, but you are trying very hard and it's time to stop.

kittybiscuits · 02/07/2017 10:36

He will blame and criticise you whatever you do, or don't do x

jeaux90 · 02/07/2017 10:50

In my experience trying to tell the parents serves no purpose. Just send the pics and be civil, FaceTime with her and your dd.

He is her son so she won't believe you.

I know it's frustrating. I want to sit my ex's parents down and tell them everything but I haven't. It was bad enough when I told them the therapists opinion and his mum blamed herself (she also has narc tendency and is a real grief thief) so I keep it all light now.

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