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I dont know what to do

17 replies

Cromie · 30/06/2017 17:32

I will try and keep this short.
I am married to a woman who I love to bits, we have two children of our own (12 & 8) both of whom have special needs. In addition to this I have a 19 year old step daughter.
I work full time whilst my wife works evenings on every other weekday and every alternate weekend.
Consequently, there are long periods when we are more like house mates and a tag team where we pass over childcare responsibilities as we meet in the doorway.

To be clear, I do not profess to be perfect and know I have my faults but I do what I can in terms of the routine hum-drum household chores when I can.

Since the start of the year things have been a little strained between us, due in the most part , to the demands of children, work and teenager but there were occasions when we were able to reintroduce ourselves to each other and smooth the waters a little.
However, since late February / March things in my view have taken a turn for the worse and I now find myself bewildered as to what else, if anything I can do make things better.
In this main this is due to the fact that since that time my wife, who previously used the coil as birth control had it removed so that she could assist with some research.

Let me make it clear, the reason for this she has explained and I understand why she wants to do this nor do I want anyone reading this to think that this is some vane attempt at me gaining approval to dictate what she does with her body - It is not.
The issue is that since that time, she has essentially distanced herself from me physically for fear of becoming pregnant as she feels that "(I) wont be able to control myself if we do anything".

Again I can understand her unwillingness to fall pregnant, it is something that I share with her and I should perhaps feel very flattered at this statement but come on really?!

The result of this stance is essentially abstinence from any (and I do mean any) form of physical intimacy to such a point that it is like living with a robot and we are no more than some strange 'house mate set who share opposite ends of the same bed'.
This is essentially tearing me apart, to feel that the woman who you love very much feels uncomfortable, for whatever reason, that she either does not want to or does not feel as if she can step over that boundary between mates and lovers in whatever capacity - by this I mean that we very rarely kiss now let alone anything else.

Taking all this and my own feelings into consideration I recently went for a consultation with the intention of getting a vasectomy however, as a result of that discussion, I was not recommended for the procedure.
I had hoped that it would have been the solution to addressing my wifes fear of becoming pregnant such that we could rekindle the intimate side of our relationship once more but alas it marked the end of the road for what I could do.
When I discussed this with my wife, she said that she was pleased I did not go through with it and reminded me that there were other alternatives available which reassured me in that it suggested that at least she had not shut down to that aspect of our relationship completely.

However, I have recently discovered, i.e. today, discovered that it is her intention to assist with this research which requires her to avoid the use of hormonal birth control (as I understand it) until December!

I have and I still am struggling with this sense of feeling unwanted by my wife or almost 6 months, during which time there has been no spark between us, and so the prospect of another 6 months is certainly not inspirational.

I have tried to speak with her about this and explain my feelings, often these result in rather heated exchanges and when this does not happen I get 'reassurance' that all is well with an indication that that part of our relationship will be recognised in some way together "when we make time".

The problem is that that time has very rarely been made over the last 4 months as there is always something that "needs sorted" which means that it feels like there has to be perfect planetary alignment and various other conditions need to be satisfied before anything like that will take place, i.e. a never ending feeling of anticipation that quite frankly makes it nigh on intolerable to be in the same house as her on occasions, as when I am it is akin to something like having your dream car on the drive way which you can only look at it as the keys to it are just out of arms reach.

I have tried to be proactive and do things so they don't appear on her list but when I do they seem to be replaced with other activities which means that I feel my efforts to improve the situation which she apparently does not like either are futile so much so that there is nothing else I feel I can do but limit my exposure and essentially harden myself to her as I seem to be feeling as if I am being kicked in the gut on a very regular basis. So much so that I have thought that if these circumstances are to prevail until December that I should preserve myself and essentially move out until that time.
I would guess that there may be one or two out there who read this who have the initial response of 'selfish pig' but that it not the case, I love my wife and kids very much but I am feel really hurt at the feeling of being kept at arms length and in the cold.

So with all that in mind my question is this:
What else can I do or indeed what should I do?

Any and all comments will be welcomed.
Thanks for your time in reading this.

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Unsurewhattod0 · 30/06/2017 17:48

Condoms? Whilst not exactly nice for us men would solve the issue. She's gets to do what she feels is best and (hopefully) you can recover the intamacy.

BadHatter · 30/06/2017 18:15

It sounds awful that's she's essentially dangling this carrot of "when we make time" in front of you.

You mentioned moving out to harden yourself. I think you should do this. But I think you should do this as a trial separation to try and get it through to her that you will not continue to be put in this position.

Italiangreyhound · 30/06/2017 18:26

cromie this situation sounds awful for you. I can't imagine what she is getting out of this research. It sounds like it is being used as an excuse to keep you at arms lenth.

Does she want sex? It's possible to have sexual activity without getting pregnant.

How old are both , roughly?

I'm a middle aged woman and I'be got to be honest sex is sometimes quite boring. I love my husband, he's attractive, caring and (I think) quite good at sex!

So often I'll not feel like sex but we do have sex once or twice a week. And some of the time (maybe more often than half) I will enjoy it. Despite this the next time the chance arises I am less than enthusiastic. I think some people just go off sex for periods of time!

I don't think anyone (female or male) should be forced into sex of course but I also feel no one should live in a sex-less marriage.

I think you need to face the fact that you may need some go from a councellor to get back the love/lust/fun in your marriage.

If you are at all religious you could look into the marriage course or marriage encounter, but may need help from people to look after your kids while doing it.

It does really sound like the fun has gone out of your marriage. You are ships that pass in the night.

I think if you push your wife to change then she may even say she desires not to be married anymore. I do hope that is not the case.

If it is, then you need to decide what is right for you.

Flowers
Italiangreyhound · 30/06/2017 18:27

...you may need some input from a counsellor.

Cromie · 30/06/2017 18:34

Thankyou for your comments so far.
Re condoms.
Yes they could be an option but "they fail"

Must admit that I do feel like the carrot is being dangled which is the main reason why I feel rather frustrated about it - would much prefer an appraisal minus the brown sticky stuff. But I have been assured that that is not the case.

I have pointed out that it is possible to do other things than 'Park the car in the garage' and asked that we do just that but apparently I am so irresistible that it would inevitably happen.

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Cromie · 30/06/2017 18:49

Btw I'm 47 and my wife is 43 and when asked a little time ago about why the research the answer was that it was something that she wanted to do as pay back for what was done for our youngest.
As I said I can understand that but December? With the potential of repeating the last 6 weeks of unhappiness I've been through extended over a 6 month period? Really?
I know this sounds very selfish but it really feels as if (inner child coming out here) I / our marriage / relationship has been put completely on the back burner ahead of something else in an already lengthy list.

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Italiangreyhound · 30/06/2017 18:54

I can't be sure but does your wife really feel so fertile at 43 that she would get pregnant despite condoms and doing 'things' away from her fertile time?

Yes, your marriage is on her back burner. I can't imagine that taking part in this research is really worth losing her marriage for. But there you go.

I think there is more going on here. Have you upset her, or caused her to doubt you in some way?

I am sorry but she does sound very self absorbed. I can totally understand not wanting sex but I think it is better to be honest about it. Does she really imagine kissing you will lead to full unprotected sex?

Sorry this all sounds really odd. Thanks

Rescuepuppydaft2 · 30/06/2017 20:03

I honestly think that your wife is behaving incredibly selfishly here! Where is the proof that she is taking part in this research? Surely as part of any research involving removal of hormonal birth control she would be expected to be continuing her sexual relationship.

Something is off here, either this research is a made up reason to avoid any intimacy, or its a mask for the fact she a) is no longer sexually attracted to you, or b) she is having an affair and this is as mask to cover her guilt/ gradually withdraw from intimacy to justify leaving you at a further date. How is she behaving otherwise? Is she glued to her phone? Any other changes in her behaviour?

Any medical trial I would sign up to, I would discuss fully with my dh. I would also have an appointment (which dh would attend)
(with my g.p/ medical professional in charge of trial) to discuss the procedure/how long trial would last/ any medical interventions/ tests and any pros and cons/ impact it may have on me, my husband and my family! And that would be BEFORE I started the trial! I would also expect for there to be leaflets/ literature which she would have been given, so I would ask to read the information they have provided! A marriage is meant to be a partnership, to make decisions which severely impact on your marriage without discussing it with you is incredibly selfish behaviour! I honestly would be surprised if this was an actual medical trial! I feel that this is a convenient excuse to explain your wife's complete withdrawal from your marriage.

As a wife with a pelvic condition which was so severe, that we were advised to never have any more children or face life in a wheelchair. We still found ways to be close whilst my husband waited first for his vasectomy, then for the several sample to come back to confirm that his vasectomy was successful. We continued to be affectionate, we used condoms, we used different methods to be close. We have always been a very affectionate and loving couple, if either of us removed that affection it would signal big problems in our relationship. I would be asking questions, like have you found someone else, are you still attracted to me, why would you choose to withdraw affection for six months without consulting me. Something smells like a rat.

I would definitely be telling her how you feel! That you are considering leaving. I think her reaction could be telling! If she is fully in love, attracted to you and invested in your marriage, she should be devastated! If she seems relieved then there is a chance that there is something else going on!

Italiangreyhound · 30/06/2017 20:17

Rescuepuppy makes a lot of sense.

alicebiscuits · 30/06/2017 20:31

Might sound odd but have you tried holding her hand or sitting close to her on sofa or putting arm round shoulder etc. Without any move at all for anything more sexual? Perhaps it could help to reintroduce nonsexual touch?

Aquamarine1029 · 30/06/2017 20:41

I don't think you're being selfish at all. I think your wife is being very unfair and unreasonable to participate in this study which so adversely affects your marriage. I think you should lay all of your feelings on the line and demand counseling. If she wants to kill your marriage, she's doing a damn fine job of it.

SJaNH · 30/06/2017 20:53

From a woman's perspective......when a husband feels deprived/frustrated it really does feel like every touch is an attempt at starting a sexual encounter. I agree with alicebiscuits. If you can make her feel that sex is not such an important issue in your relationship, the pressure on her may subside and you may be pleasantly surprised when she actually starts to show some interest again. Not saying you're doing anything wrong, but from a personal experience when a man puts so much emphasis on sexual relations, it really can make a woman just clam up......or behave like a robot as you put it Smile

Cromie · 30/06/2017 23:43

The research program she is on requires her to give herself hormone injections every day for a period of time before going into hospital for a short procedure.
On this basis I know she is doing it.
Apparently the hormone increases the likelihood of multiple pregnancy which I understand would amplify her fears and arguably give the her basis for abstinence.
A factor I must admit I'm would not be happy with anyway (seeing as I find her extremely attractive and desirable) but may find it a less bitter pill to swallow if the absence of intercourse were to be replaced with other forms of intimacy but it isn't nor I fear will it - if the last 6 weeks is anything to go by. From my perspective, these other forms of intimacy and committed time together are more important now than a quick fumble between the sheets.
I have expressed this to her and I am told that she understands what I mean and appreciates how I feel but then doesn't seem to do anything beyond verbally acknowledging it.

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NotTheFordType · 30/06/2017 23:48

Hahahaha dude wtf she is just avoiding sex with you.

I'm sure after this "research" is done there will be another excuse.

So either bang someone else (I'm available at very reasonable rates) or leave.

RunRabbitRunRabbit · 30/06/2017 23:55

She has gone to quite extreme lengths to avoid having sex with you. Any ideas what's going on with that?

DirtyChaiLatte · 01/07/2017 00:35

Could the hormone injections have killed her libido? If it has then it must be very hard for her to engage in any sexual activity if she physically doesn't feel it.

I'm going to be the one dissenting voice and say that you need to respect her desire not to have sex with you. It also sounds kind of creepy the way you've been 'proactive' in trying to create occasions to have sex. I can imagine she could feel like she's being mildly harassed.

I know that sex can be important in a marriage, but you need to have some perspective. She's doing it for a good reason (I assume) and it's only until December. Are you really that physically sexually frustrated?

You do not have a right to have a sexually active marriage. She has a right to not want to have sex with you, for whatever reason. You also have a right to not want such a marriage.

Italiangreyhound · 01/07/2017 03:18

Dirty How is it creepy for a man or woman to want to create situations to have sex with their partner. "It also sounds kind of creepy the way you've been 'proactive' in trying to create occasions to have sex. I can imagine she could feel like she's being mildly harassed."

I agree "You do not have a right to have a sexually active marriage." No one has the right to have sex with anyone against their will. But by the same token if the OP doesn't want to stay in a sexless marriage, he doesn't have to.

I think the key thing is why she is avoiding all intimacy.

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