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Moved abroad, it's all gone wrong

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Ruibies · 29/06/2017 12:22

Hi everyone. Apologies if this is long-winded. I don't really know what I'm looking for from this thread, but it's helpful just to have somewhere to talk about it.

8 months ago DP and I moved abroad. After several long discussions and arguments we settled on the country and city I preferred, for a couple of main reasons. 1. I studied and can speak the language (and where he wanted to go neither of us can speak the native language, but they are a bit more english-friendly I guess) 2. We could both transfer internally with the companies we currently work for (and if we'd gone where he wanted to I'd have had to find a new job because we don't have offices there). Both those factors combined meant it would definitely be an advantageous move for me, and although probably not as advantageous for DP, it certainly wasn't supposed to be detrimental.

So 8 months in, the team DP works in is being dissolved and he's having to move to a new team, covering a new industry, with poor (in his opinion) management. His current team is being dissolved because they've performed poorly over the last year and the company doesn't think it's worth keeping them in that sector. He's now devastated & livid that we ended up here because it isn't where he wanted us to be anyway, and it's ended up costing him a lot in terms of career development. He was expecting to be made a manager within a year, now he's been moved to the bottom of the pile in another team he has no experience in, so he's not in line for any kind of promotion anytime soon.

To rub salt in the wound, I've just had an appraisal and been told that they will be looking to promote me in the not too distant future.

I feel horribly guilty like I have wrecked his career. When DP is venting about how pissed off he is with the situation, even though he has said it is not directed at me, I cannot help but feel like it is. I'm also the kind of person that deals with problems by actively thinking of how to fix it, whereas he is a bit more 'shoulda, woulda, coulda', and just keeps talking about how if we had stayed in London he'd have been a manager by now, or if we'd gone where he had wanted to then he'd have been more likely thriving (his industry is a bit stonger there). When I ask him what he wants to do, he can't answer me - perhaps fair enough given this has all happened in the last couple of weeks. But I've laid out what I think are our best options, and he just won't consider them.

I'm now at a point where I don't want to ask him how his day has gone, because I know where the conversation will go. I don't feel like we can make any kinds of plans for the future, because we don't know if we'll be sticking around here long enough or moving home, or moving somewhere else. I'm also gutted because I've wanted to live and work here since long before DP was in my life, and i know he's made sacrifices to make this happen, but it's just sad that it hasn't worked out and now this experience that I've wanted to have for over 6 years is most likely going to be cut short.

It's taking a toll on everything. All the little things that niggle when you live abroad are suddenly becoming more reasons as to why it's shit here and we should never have come. Talking about a holiday to relax and get away from it all is not on because he feels like he can't take leave when he's performing so badly. I don't know what advice to offer, I can't fix it for him, and it doesn't look like it's magically going to fix itself overnight and he's going to be the superstar of this new team and fast-tracked for promotion.

So anyway, I don't really know what the solution is, but the current situation is crap. Thanks if you've bothered to read all of this.

OP posts:
ocelot7 · 03/07/2017 17:36

Not bitter at all - just realistic.
I could refer you to so much literature that demonstrates how parenthood enhances men's status at work (dependable family man) while diminishing women's (she'll be having time off when she has kids - if we even give her a job as she is of childbearing age) too. Yes I know all the relevant legislation...but this is the experience

Inneedofadvice20172234 · 03/07/2017 18:34

I agree ocelot - it's awful and totally not fair on women. But there's the employment sphere - and there's the private team between the op and her partner. You can be feminist and still chose to prioritize your partners career - for the sake of the team - because it makes more sense financially and practically. Equally it could happen the other way round. Op you shouldn't ever do this without being married tho. The court DO offer protection and recognize spousal support and sacrifice.

ocelot7 · 03/07/2017 20:00

I still think prioritising one career - especially the higher earner - over another is a bad idea. How is that equal/team? Increasing the differential in earnings seems madness to me, more so if they should ever split & the lower earner has never met their career or earning potential & can't make up for lost time.

Pickerel · 03/07/2017 20:05

OP, if this has all happened just in the last couple of weeks it's not surprising that your DH is so upset. I remember when my DH was made redundant- it really knocked him for six. I think you need to let the dust settle a bit before you make any big decisions about what to do next.

Ruibies · 04/07/2017 07:52

@Inneed I do see what you are saying, but I have never planned on being a long-term SAHP, I've seen too many of my friends' parents divorce and the women be left in a crap position. I grew up with both my parents working full time, and I hope that my strategy of getting as high as I can on this career ladder before I take any maternity leave will stand me in good stead when going back, so that we will be able to afford childcare as needed. I don't think I should have to compromise on my career just because I earn less than my partner - what if he dumps me before we have kids? I've worked hard to get to where I am now, including time and money spent on my degree, unpaid internships and unfulfilling temp jobs. I would hate to feel like all of that has to take a backseat just because I'm not paid as much as he is.

As I said in the OP, this was never meant to be detirmental to DP's career anyway, so although with hindsight it's not worked out brilliantly, when we made the decision to come here it's not like I was hugely prioritising my career at the expense of his really. It was supposed to work out for both of us.

OP posts:
Ruibies · 04/07/2017 08:15

To answer some other points:

  • yes he is studying the language, and he really enjoys it (he is a bit of a languages nerd). He is getting on great and can do taxis, a bit of shopping, ask for stuff in restaurants etc. But it is a difficult language to learn so even though I studied it for 5 years I'm still not good enough really do use it in a business context.
  • we talked about this for nearly 2 years before we made the move, I've simplified it down into the 2 key reasons why we moved here, but there were a few other locations discussions and lots of factors taken into consideration. So although we ended up where I preferred, I do feel that we did make the decision as equals. He was even flown out here by his company before he even accepted the job so he could meet the team and see what the city was like. And when he came back from that trip he was really excited for the move.
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altiara · 04/07/2017 08:24

I wouldn't prioritise his career over yours at the moment, i agree with getting as far as you can before you have kids. If and when you have kids, then you make decisions that suit your family then. If you are a great performer and have been there a long time, it is easier to carve out something part time to suit you and have a reasonable salary. At the moment, you can focus on yourself so do it and enjoy it. Think about if it was the other way round and DP was about to be promoted and your team was disbanded, would he want you to stay?

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