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Is this normal behaviour from my mother

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user1471593277 · 13/06/2017 22:43

I'm going to try keep this short as I really could go on for so long.
I need to start by saying sometimes my Mam has a heart of gold and she can be kind so it's not awful but here are some things that she has done/said to me and I find myself so angry with her and angry that I don't have a proper relationship with her. It seems like the older I get the more angry and upset I become about all of this.
I also need to state that I probably suffer from slight depression and am unsure if it's because of our relationship and its effect on me or if I would suffer from it either way.

She is so hard to describe as it all seems a contradiction. She is a perfectionist and believes she is the only one who can do things but yet her house is really untidy and messy as she won't throw things out that should be gone years ago. She would come across really friendly to everyone she meets and if I told them any of what I'm going to say now, they probably wouldn't believe me.

I was always compared to others as a child- she used to say that everyone was better than me, people laughed at me behind my back and I had no real friends. The one thing I've always had is friends so she is wrong there.

When I was doing exams in college I was studying at home one weekend. My feet were really cold and I put them in a basin of warm water to warm them up. She started emptying water from the kettle into the basin and when I took my feet out as the water was too hot, she hit them with a wooden spoon. That same night she asked me if I was pregnant and why I was gone so fat. I joined weight watchers the following week even though I was 9 stone and I'm 5"4 but she made me believe I was overweight until weight watchers said my weight was completely normal.

I went through a phase of bullying in a job a few years ago. The bully was found out but I still wanted to leave as I felt I could never go back to that place again. She told me I was being absolutely stupid and no place would hire me and I was making a fool of myself looking for a new job.

She always has to control things. I remember having big arguments with her when I was younger as she never let me do things for myself as she felt she could do better. Her comments would either be "I know what you're like" and also "you can't do anything right".

When my first boyfriend and I broke up at the age of 18, she read my diary and came storming into the kitchen saying she read the rubbish I wrote and I needed to cop on, no guy was going to want to be with me so I needed to get used to it.

She ended up in hospital with a stroke when I was in my early 20s as I was helping out with a job at home, she kept saying I was doing it wrong and shouting at me. I left and said she could do it herself. She was angry and her blood pressure rose and she ended up in hospital. I got the blame for this and she told me that if she ever ended up in hospital because of me again, she would have the security guards take me away.

She loses her temper so easily and she constantly makes bitchy comments. When my brother and his fiancé were trying to pick a wedding venue she said nowhere would be good enough for them, not meaning she thought they deserved somewhere posh but in a sarcastic way.
Herself and my father are constantly at each other's throats and always were. I remember as a child having to just hang up on friends on the phone as the shouting got so loud.

Anyway I need to try do something about this as I feel it's upsetting me more as I get older. My OH is supportive and he is just pleasant to her, nothing more. He thinks she is fine but she treats me differently around him, as she is always on good behaviour around anyone other than family.

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Patriciathestripper1 · 13/06/2017 22:49

Jayzus I'd be NC with her by now.
What a cruel horrible hateful woman.
Do you really need her in your life bringing you down?
She sounds just awful op. Cut her loose and get on with an abuse free life.

DancingLedge · 13/06/2017 22:56

Sounds like she was vile to you.She put you down."you have no friends....you can't do anything right".

Really not a loving mum. How she was to anyone else is completely irrevant here. She was foul to you.

If you find seeing her upsetting, you could make sure you only see her when others are present, if that makes her behave better. Or, if you find you get churned up when you've seen her, well, it's not compulsory. You don't owe her anything.

Do you feel her nastiness has affected how you see yourself, or have you been able to rise above?

RunRabbitRunRabbit · 13/06/2017 23:09

Not normal. A million miles from normal. How often do you see her now?

user1471593277 · 13/06/2017 23:10

I feel I am just so angry over everything that has happened in the past that I get angry with her now, maybe when it's better to stay calm
. For instance, I called home last week for the first time in a while. Her and my Dad left to go shopping and I said I would go for a walk while they were gone. I came back from my walk before them and she asked me if I went for the walk. I said I did and she said "you did in your eyeball" and I just roared at her to say I went for the walk and grabbed my keys and left.

I am going to counselling and she is nice but sometimes it seems to turn into a more general chat rather than talking about all of this and I'm not sure how I steer the conversation towards what I need to deal with.

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Riderontheswarm · 13/06/2017 23:15

She sounds terrifying. Get away from her. It is very unfair that you had to have such a childhood.

JeffStellingsLeftEyebrow · 13/06/2017 23:15

You know this isn't normal or kind. If you wouldn't put up with it from a stranger you shouldn't put up with it from family.

SouthPole · 13/06/2017 23:33

Your mammy isn't a nice Irish mammy at all op.

She sounds very cruel.

Could you ever imagine treating your kids like this? If you have any yet or not?

No. You wouldn't.

She's not right, she's sore about something alright. Jealous? Vindictive. Bitter.

Leave her be there for a while.
You don't need toxicity like that in your life.

Cricrichan · 14/06/2017 02:44

Do you have children? I do, and let me tell you that never in a million years would I say anything that you've written to them. She sounds like a narcissist and if I were you I'd have as little to do with her as possible or even go NC if you can.

ptumbi · 14/06/2017 07:39

'Heart of gold'?

'Can be kind'???

Yeah, and gold is cold and hard. Can be kind? I bet that is only when she has something over the other person, or is wanting to look good.

Give yourself a break from her. She doesn't deserve a loving daughter - remove yourself. Live your own lovely life.

And don't fgs take any blame for her stroke. Her blood pressure and her health are nothing to do with what you#ve done or not done

AttilaTheMeerkat · 14/06/2017 08:18

She certainly hasn't been kind to you; she has been emotionally and physically abusive to you throughout your childhood and her verbal abuse of you continues. Its no surprise you are angry at her and also at your dad.

Abusive people can appear to be quite plausible to those in the outside world but even then the mask can slip because its an act that cannot be maintained. I would think that one or two of your friends have their own suspicions about your mother.

You will ultimately have to grieve for the relationship you should have had rather than the one you actually got. She is not nice and I would agree with the assertion that she uses people when wanting to look good in their eyes. You do not mention children but any children you go onto have will need to be kept well away from both your parents as well.

It is not your fault she is like this, you did not make her this way. She has simply made you the scapegoat for all her inherent ills. You would not have tolerated any of this from a friend, your mother is no different. Nothing you do or say is good enough, she will never give you the approval you perhaps still seek from her.

You can protect yourself from your parents by having nothing further to do with either of them.

What you describe here is ongoing abuse of you at her hands with your father being both unwilling and unable to protect you from her. He has stayed with her for his own reasons; he is truly a weak bystander of a man and her enabler.

Counsellors are like shoes; you need to find someone that fits. Otherwise its not going to be beneficial for you. In your case I would now find another counsellor; BACP are good and do not charge the earth. NAPAC could also be worth contacting here too.

Do also consider posting on the "well we took you to Stately Homes" thread on these pages and read "Toxic Parents" written by Susan Forward.

user1471593277 · 14/06/2017 08:30

No I don't have children but we had hoped to start trying in the next year or two.
I think my father and brother would never forgive me if I went nc. My Dad while not the worst, definetly makes things more difficult at home as he is also very messy and untidy but she seems to think he alone is as fault for the state of the house.
My brother only calls to their house now once a week or so and usually brings his fiancé. Himself and Mam always clashed although I don't think as bad as my issues with her, but he seems to be able to go home, have quick chats and leave.
I find I want to get to that place, as I don't think nc is realistic but I'd love to be able to go home once or twice a week, have some small talk and leave.
I always wondered if my slight depression is as a result of the effect of our relationship on me or would I suffer anyway. I guess I wonder if I blame getting upset at seeing "normal" families, or sometimes feeling I have so little in life on the effect of our relationship or if I'm someone who would be prone to depression anyway.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 14/06/2017 09:10

user,

re your comment:-
"I think my father and brother would never forgive me if I went nc"

Is that also why you think nc is unrealistic?.

Your father has continued to fail abjectly to protect you from his wife's abuses of you and your brother's opinion should not matter either. Its not up to them and they are not the boss of you. Going no contact is your decision alone to make here; not theirs. You have every right to walk away from being further abused at your mother's hands; self preservation is needed here. Given your mother's disordered behaviours as well it is unlikely that you will ever get to a point with her whereby you can have a quick chat and then leave. Going back to her house simply gives her opportunity to further verbally abuse you. These people are never going to apologise nor accept any responsibility for their actions.

Any children you have must never be exposed to your abuser mother and her enabler of a husband. Toxic people more often than not turn out to be toxic as grandparent figures as well.

Its not surprise to me either that you have depression; growing up in such a chaotic, toxic and disordered household made that an inevitability really. You are also mired in fear, obligation and guilt. However, do not let this define you going forward; get proper help from another therapist and move onwards and upwards away from these people who will continue to try and drag you down otherwise.

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