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Does anyone else have a relationship that’s 50/50 good and bad?

11 replies

SadCass · 12/06/2017 23:39

I’ve been with DP nearly 20 years and we have DCs. Before him, I had a couple of serious LTRs and a load of flings, whereas he’d had a few relationships but nothing above the 3-month mark. We got together and I got pregnant with DC1 quite quickly. We are alike in lots of ways and were relieved to have found each other, but never really had much time together as a couple before we became a family.

DP is a good partner, he works hard and supports me emotionally in lots of ways. I have ASD and he kind of mediates the world for me, explaining things I fucked up or misunderstood. I’ve also had some mental health problems and he’s stuck with me through some dark times. He’s very caring. He has a shoddy family and a lot of confidence problems and I hope I have been supportive back over the years. We are compatible in lots of ways. We have similar views about politics, religion, parenting, and we’ve worked together for years, running first one, and now two, businesses together. We are friends. He is also a great dad – he pulled his weight with the kids when they were little, and now they’re older he’s involved and supportive of them. We are a happy family, we talk, debate, laugh.

It sounds great – and it is, a lot of the time, but I could also describe it completely differently. A huge area of incompatibility in our life is sex. He has almost zero sex drive. I have wondered sometimes if he’s gay but he denies it. We have sex about 5 or 6 times a year and it’s always me that initiates it, and it’s always crap and disappointing. I know it takes two to tango but I have always had a good sex life with other partners in the past. He is weirdly unsensual – can’t do massage or touch either. No affection, kissing, cuddling, no proprietorial touch. Only if I’ve got upset about it, and then there’ll be a few days of perfunctory physical contact, which feels fake.

There is other stuff. He is a complete slob. I’m not houseproud by any stretch of the imagination, but he lives like a pig and I have to choose between accepting it or doing all the clearing up for both of us. The house is a complete shitheap, I just can’t seem to get on top of by myself. He is OK about helping with housework if asked, but makes a total mess of it – does one job and makes ten more. I hate it and dream of leaving him and having a calm, orderly home I’m not ashamed to invite friends to. The kids have learned to behave the same way, which feels intolerable and casts me in the role of family nag. (They are good kids in lots of ways though.)

He can be unreliable, he forgets to do things he said he would do. He procrastinates. He is terrible with money. He can be pompous. I am in the living room now, typing this and wondering if we’re going to make it to our next anniversary. He is in another room on his computer, with earphones in. This is pretty normal for an evening. I hate the earphones, they make me feel shut out. In a small way, it reminds me of the vast ongoing rejection our sex life represents.

I am so confused. Does anyone else have a 50/50 relationship like this? How do you balance things out to decide whether it’s better to stay together or chuck in the towel. Sad

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SadCass · 12/06/2017 23:40

Sorry that was so ridiculously long. Once I started I didn't seem to be able to stop. Sad

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LanaDReye · 12/06/2017 23:46

Is the good bit him being just a friend and the bad half him not being a full partner?

Sounds like this suits him, but not you.

revolution909 · 12/06/2017 23:48

You sound just like me ... Friends usually say I'm not happy but overall I think I have a happy family . He's my life companion and that's how I see him. I think that's good enough and frankly in the end I love him even if I complain (a lot!)

JustCallMeKeith · 12/06/2017 23:48

Hi Cass, you have pretty much just described my life, even down to ASD and running a business together. The only difference is we do have a sex life. I have nothing useful to add, but I do feel in this position 50/50 quite often.

AnyFucker · 12/06/2017 23:57

Seems to me like the 50/50 division you describe lends itself rather nicely to you separating

You can still run a business together, support each other, be good parents......but not have to do the romantic relationship bit (and you could have a tidy house)

SadCass · 13/06/2017 00:15

Sometimes I think the bits that infuriate me and/or make me sad are a small price to pay for the stability and support we give each other. Other times I feel I'm throwing my life away in dribs and drabs.

I even feel quite confused about whether we love each other. I do love him, but there seems to be so much about him I find it hard to respect, still less cherish. He says that he loves me, but if he came in right now and said he didn't anymore, I don't think I'd be that surprised. That may be the ASD talking though. I've given up letting human behaviour take me by surprise.

I don't think we could carry on running a business together if we split. I think there'd be too much upset, at least at first. And we all have to work/earn in the meantime. It's a shoddy reason to stay though.

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SadCass · 13/06/2017 00:25

Is the good bit him being just a friend and the bad half him not being a full partner?

The sex is a huge issue all by itself, that's for sure. We've been jogging along pretty well for a while, and then about 2 or 3 weeks ago I just felt so horny I couldn't not do anything about it. Blush He always joins in, but it was beyond awful, fumbly and uncomfortable and he couldn't get a proper erection. He did manage PIV but I honestly couldn't feel any difference. Sorry if that's tmi. Anyway, I ended up feeling like it would've been better not to have bothered. I always end up feeling like that, but somehow always think it will be different when we try again.

Anyway, all this latest bout of misery about our/my life generally has probably followed on from that. It's like I can cope with all the other frustrations until That Big Frustration rears its head.

In itself, a crap sex life seems a terrible reason to break up an otherwise happy relationship though, doesn't it? I mean, we're in our 50s now, I probably won't want so much sex myself before long, will I?

Will I?

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SadCass · 14/06/2017 12:48

Thanks for your answers.

I feel torn all the time between being grateful for what I've got, and desperate for something more. I fantasise a lot about the sort of relationship I would like to be in, and I am completely torn between thinking I'm being childish and entitled, and thinking I should listen to these feelings. I think there's a lot of talk on mumsnet, and in our culture generally, about how we all deserve to be in a fulfilling relationship, and how if you want to be happy you have to clear the decks for happiness to find you by clearing out the dead wood, instead of hanging on to things that have had their time. We hear less about loneliness or about regretting throwing basically good marriages away, though I bet there are lots of people who feel this way too.

Anyway, I would still be grateful to hear from any mumsnetters in a similar situation who have any thoughts about how to weigh up feelings of happiness against feelings of unhappiness and frustration. Or just anyone who read my OP and has an opinion they think I should listen to.

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Adora10 · 14/06/2017 14:21

Having a sex life is important to most of us, without it you are just friends, I agree with anyfucker, I doubt he will change and I'd rather cut my losses, co parent and find a man that desires me.

TherealMrsBloom · 14/06/2017 15:12

I didn't want to just lurk. I empathise and I think there are many of us who find it difficult to decide whether to stay in a relationship that sometimes seems evenly balanced between good and bad points. But the "balancing" exercise can be a red herring: have you read "Too good to leave, too bad to stay" by Mira Kirshenbaum? It was recommended by others on Mumsnet and it is helping me - slowly - to clarify my thinking. On the physical side, I do think that being desired and having sex are basic human needs and you should not ignore them. Sorry not to be able to help any more, but you are not alone in your confusion. Good luck in deciding what to do. Flowers

mrssapphirebright · 14/06/2017 16:50

This sounds very much like mine and my exh relationship, except i don't have ASD and out sex life was normal. But the 50:50 thing, messy house / poor with money thing resonated.

We were married 15 years, the last 5 years i slowly died inside, as did he. We tried counselling but nothing seemed to work. Some days our marriage was fine, great even. We were friends, co-parented well and supported each other, other times it seemed hell and we were both lonely and frustrated with the other.

I too swung between feeling grateful and content to spoilt and entitled.

I ended up falling for an old friend and made the awful painful choice to leave my marriage. It was the push i needed.

That was nearly 6 years ago now. It was painful and there were moments of regret and loss. I do still miss my exh and some of our little ways, but i know i did the right thing. We are friendly and amicable and co-parent our teen dc with ease between us. i am now married to the man i fell for. We are very happy and much more natural and compatable that me and exh were. Obviously dh and i have our moments, but the nagging doubt isn't there like it was with exh and we just 'get' each other. I now know the difference, we fit, whereas with exh it was often about making it fit.

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