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ThunderInMyHeart · 25/05/2017 15:27

Hi,

I'm going to try and keep this as efficient as possible - as per, there's a million things, details, anecdotes etc that I could relay, but we'd be here all day.

I'm 29, divorced, solvent, successful, no kids; he's nearly 47, solvent, divorced, 9 year old child. Dating 7 months. All fine until month 4/5.

Unanimously, all my friends and parents say to not bother with him, I deserve better etc. They think he's rude, controlling, immature and doesn't act his age in the slightest. We've gone through a two month rocky patch. Essentially, I was going to his 6 nights a week. I had told him, several times, this wasn't workable for me - I was knackered and at his beck and call (he has his child half the week). We were having crisis talks. I laid down my standard - I didn't ask him to change anything about himself; it was more 'this is my baseline. I will not settle for less'. In the week since, he hasn't really come on leaps and bounds. Only now he walks on the outside of the pavement (although makes a song and dance about it).

Quick list of things he does, positive and negative:

  • exact same cultural interests as me;
  • smart, educated, can make me laugh. In the first few months, we had a click that, for me, is rare. Maybe happened once before in my life;
  • has called me 'despicable', 'egocentric', 'thoughtless', 'oafish' for infractions such as I had a bad day and had a vent whilst he wanted to talk about some 'harrowing' lecture he'd just been to;
  • calls me 'selfish' because e.g. I don't always put my seatbelt on - not a passing comment. I mean he rails at me for it. Also comments, with a tone, how much I swear or that I am 'a barrage of cynicism'. I feel he criticises me a lot...and I feel like I have to drop things into conversation to prove e.g. that I'm not 'thoughtless' or 'selfish' by mentioning how I did something for a friend's birthday, or that other people think I do lots of little sweet things for them;
  • amazing, amazing sex;
  • childishly pouts perhaps in an effort to control i.e. despite me saying 6 nights a week was too much, he says that my current optimal 2-3 times per week of seeing each other 'doesn't make me feel close to you. I feel like it's not a relationship. I don't feel connected to you and it's only been a week' - subtext to me being 'unless you bend to my will and go back to 6 nights per week of seeing each other, I won't love you as much';
  • constantly promises the future e.g. just after I broke up with him 6 days ago, it's all 'let's go for a weekend away!' or 'let's go visit my dad's home town' (I've never met his father before);
  • gets upset if I don't have the same reaction to e.g. a movie as him;
  • if I'm upset at something he has done, he'll excuse it by saying 'it's just well-intentioned banter. You need to grow a thicker skin'.

I have never ever said to him 'you are too X; you need to change by doing Y'. I let him be him...my philosophy being 'people don't change. You either accept their flaws/quirks, or you walk. It's your problem, not theirs'.

When I was married before, EVERYONE said EXH was a bad egg. I don't want to make the same mistake twice. My gut reaction is just end it. A big part of this is that I can't handle dating again. I like the domesticity of a 7 month relationship. God, that's pathetic, isn't it? I find myself biting my tongue a lot around him or looking at him thinking 'ugh. Shut up' or thinking he's a gaslighter/hypocrite. Part of me thinks 'it shouldn't be this hard in the honeymoon period', the other thinks 'fuck. There was a great spark'

Oh wisdom of MN, help a girl out, please?

OP posts:
TheNaze73 · 25/05/2017 16:14

Honestly OP. You sound like catch, you're level of anticipated interaction is spot on & so refreshing. Most men would snap your arm off at that level of interaction. Nothing grows in shade as they say.
He sounds like a cock & an epic one at that.

Ellisandra · 25/05/2017 16:17

The epic cock was the appeal Shock

Adora10 · 25/05/2017 16:24

Bloody hell listen to your friends and family, they can't all be wrong.

He sounds like a controlling selfish entitled prick and you surely can do a zillion times better than that, raise your bar OP and don't settle for this one sided, all about him relationship; you should not be having so much drama esp at this stage, it should be hearts, flowers, compliments and neither can do no wrong, not him constantly making you feel inadequate, what a loser he sounds.

ThunderInMyHeart · 25/05/2017 16:30

He said that he didn't think I was into grand gestures (please. What person isn't?)...but that, since I laid down the law on Friday, he would gladly do little romantic things for me...6 days later..? Nothing. Like it's so fucking hard ot send flowers to the office when this girl has just levelled you.

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Ellisandra · 25/05/2017 16:42

I would find flowers to my office an exaggerated, clichéd, tired and empty gesture though.

I'm not into grand gestures.
It is always the small things that hook me. It's easy to show off, not so easy to be consistently thoughtful.

He's still an arse though.

But I'll say it again about your standards - you want to have a man walk outside of you, and send you flowers... yet it seems you've gone several months without it being critical that he treats you with respect.

Leave him dumped.

mysinkingheart · 25/05/2017 16:45

Thunder walk away, silently (no more texts) and graciously.

If you want someone romantic he is not the one and will only do those little gestures when he needs to reel you in. It's not in his nature. You'll be unhappy if you marry him, trust me.

I think the reason for the sense of confusion is that you want so much to be going down the wedding, honeymoon, babies route. That's a worthy goal, love and children are wonderful. So don't you think that goal deserves better than him. Someone who fits the bill, not just one percent of the bill? There is someone hugely more exciting, romantic and in harmony with you out there, don't waste time on this guy. Please.

And 30 is young.

ThunderInMyHeart · 25/05/2017 17:10

Thanks all! Dumped as of 10 minutes ago.

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rizlett · 25/05/2017 17:18

He's just so far behind you emotionally op - and at his age never likely to catch up so you could continue with him because of the 'click' (though I suspect the click might have been more him mirroring you cos you sound very open) or you could continue because of the amazing sex but you'll be forever trying to get him to 'see' your point of view.

ThunderInMyHeart · 25/05/2017 21:46

Forever keeping this thread for future reference.

Thanks all.

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rizlett · 26/05/2017 07:17

Thunder - you were very smart to notice all the things that were not quite right - because there were a lot of things that you liked. 6 months in is a real eye opener - lots of men can sustain a wonderfulness in the beginning but true nature will always emerge and often when that happens we ignore or make excuses for it - because we already fell in love with the 'one' they showed us at the beginning.

Maybe this experience was really good for you - it was a kind of practice for you to learn what the real thing is - next time you will be more aware and less hesitant about ending something that isn't good enough for you. A few more 'practices' and then the right one will come along and you'll have no doubts at all.

ThunderInMyHeart · 26/05/2017 22:11

Thanks, rizlett

Your message came at the right time. I miss him already.

I messaged (I know) him a few hours ago (he's been online but hasn't read it/has deleted without reading) saying I really loved him (past tense) and we had some wonderful times, hoped we could be friends in this life or the next.

It's the sense of mourning what could have been and also feeling like I'm hated/he's indifferent

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Ellisandra · 26/05/2017 22:19

I think that "this life or the next" is unnecessarily dramatic and... I don't know, it's just OTT. What does it even mean? The next life? Confused

Seriously - go back to your OP and re-read your negatives.

He called you oafish, egocentric, selfish, despicable...

Now, you put up with that shit because you were / wanted to be in love with him.

Now imagine a new woman starts at work, you have stuff in common, get friendly. Then she pulls that same verbally abusive shit on you. Calls you despicable. Would you want to be "friends" in this life or any other? No, you wouldn't. Take away the complicated emotions around dating and I bet you wouldn't.

Fact: we put up with FAR more shit from "partners" than we ever would from friends.

Based on your OP I seriously question why you would want to be friends with him. Stop texting stuff like that - you're just dragging it out and trying to keep contact.

Don't waste your time being friends with someone who finds you oafish. Invest your time and energy in your real friends.

CookieMonster54 · 26/05/2017 22:39

Run.

Wait, I see you already did run. Well done you.

A person who tries to improve you doesn't like you as you are, has always been my rule.

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