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Lonely, I just need to talk

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ConfuciusInventedConfusion · 09/05/2017 12:55

Sorry, this is going to be long. I’m 25, been living with DP since I left home at 18. Things have not been easy since the start of our relationship, mainly because of my MH issues (my father died when I was 17 after a long degenerative disease, still not over it, I’ve suffered depression, possibly bipolar, can’t afford months of counselling)..

We argue mainly over house chores. As an adult (he’s 27) I expect him to take full responsibility of his own home like I do, I want him to bear in mind everything a house needs (cleaning, shopping, bills, etc), I don’t want to have to remind him how often the sheets need changing, or when to clean the loo. I’ve tried different approaches (sticking notes reminding him in a nice way to do these things, planning a rota, writing a daily chore schedule and to do list, etc). I’ve tried splitting responsibilities (bills, cooking, shopping), but he does nothing efficiently (it’s been 2 weeks since he had to pay the gas bill).

Nothing changes, I end up nagging all day (reminding him of things like cleaning the kitchen counter whenever he uses it, not leaving lights on when he’s not in a room, not walking barefoot with the same socks he’s going to sleep in in our clean bed -please tell me if I’m unreasonable about these). Sometimes he agrees and says he’ll try harder, sometimes he rolls his eyes and I get angry, etc. Sometimes he tells me (and deep inside this is what he really thinks) that I get fixated/obsessed on these things because of my MH issues. Maybe there’s a bit of truth in it, I need perspective.

I’m tired and sad. We love each other so much. We laugh together, we cuddle, we talk. But at the same time I’m tired of our daily life. He says it’s mundane stuff and that it shouldn’t affect us (we never argue over big things such as money, moving houses/country, etc). I know it’s tiring to have someone nagging you all day (I tell him I’m also tired of nagging!!), but I will never stop expecting my partner to be equal to me in responsibilities. I feel it’s disrespectful. He says he doesn’t do it because he expects me to do it, it’s just that “he forgets”. I know he doesn’t have the same cleaning standards as me, I don’t expect him to spend hours, I’ve even told him I’m happy with him just remembering that something needs doing and I’ll happily do it, iyswim.

Another thing I’ve been “fixated on” lately is, and I’m ashamed to say this, his teeth. He has had very bad tartar since I’ve met him. First year I didn’t really noticed, I guess I was love blind. Since our second year together I’ve brought it up nicely, then not so nicely, I’ve explained to him why it’s off-putting, I’ve rejected sex, I’ve suggested he comes to dentist appointments with me (he’s never been to the dentist since he was a teenager, he’s now 27). He is gorgeous, blond, blue eyes, this is his only flaw I find off-putting, and I’m so sad because it’s affecting our sex life as I find it’s so disrespectful after so many years. We’ve had sex 3 times in the past 6 months.

All these problems are taking a toll, I’m bored and exhausted, I would feel so stupid ending our otherwise beautiful relationship (despite everything and after 7 years I sometimes still get the butterflies when he looks at me with his blue eyes). He’s my rock, always there for me, he’s supported me through depression, panic attacks, anxiety, OCD flare ups, etc, we’ve moved housed 4 times, moved to another country, supported each other through 5 years of uni. But all these daily problems are taking a toll, I’m bored and exhausted.

Something anecdotal happened last week. We are currently living in a tiny rural village. I’m happy here, I can rest and feel calm. We both wanted to move here, although it was mainly because of his job, as I don’t really have a professional objective and I’m just wandering along (but that’s a whole different thread). Last week there was a festival, all the village was involved and we helped the artists (bring them water, talk to them, etc). I felt a subtle spark with one of them, we didn’t really talk much as everybody was busy, just the way we looked at each other, he said he would gift me one of his paintings (worth thousands) for taking care of him (I helped every other artist the same way, just like everybody else in the organisation).

When the festival ended he was the last one to leave, I couldn’t stop crying. I had to rush home. I’ve told DP I was crying because everything was back to quiet normal life and I would miss the festival, which is true in a way, but it’s also because I’m confused. I feel sad, I don’t know if I’m longing for another life or if I will be able to fix these issues with my DP.

Sorry this is so long, I hope someone made it to the end. I need some perspective from other women, wiser women, older or younger women, I don’t know, I just need to talk.

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GreenHairDontCare · 09/05/2017 13:04

Oh what a lot to unpick.

First of all, it's very difficult to live with someone with different cleaning standards and there really does have to be give and take on both sides. The socks thing I would let go, unless he's trampling outside in mud in his socks. Ditto turning lights off, I'm a shocker for this but DH just clicks them off if I forget.

You may need to bend slightly on that. Also, I am horribly disorganised and DH less so, so we play to our strengths.

The teeth thing, I couldn't cope with. Unless he has a severe phobia he NEEDS to see the hygienist and get his plaque removed. Otherwise there's a real chance he'll lose his teeth. It's gross and it's disrespectful to you IMO.

It's totally normal to have powerful crushes on strangers and it doesn't usually mean anything sinister. I really wouldn't worry about that.

This is all fixable.

category12 · 09/05/2017 13:10

I think some of it is you being a mite too picky. Wiping down, lights etc, everyone forgets from time to time or maybe just different standards.

However you know you got together pretty young. Maybe you're not growing together, but growing apart. The comments about his teeth etc sound like the beginning of repulsion, which is very hard to come back from .

AttilaTheMeerkat · 09/05/2017 13:21

There is indeed a lot to unpick here.

I would consider talking to CRUSE (a bereavement charity) re your late father. They could well help you no end. Website is here:-

www.cruse.org.uk/

What needs of yours does this man meet within the relationship now, what do you get out of this?. I wonder if this man and you have really outgrown each other in this relationship. It served your needs at the time and now it does not.

It also takes two to make a relationship work; you cannot carry a relationship on your own. My guess is too that he really regards the housework as your task; he does not just "forget" and his lack of action here is deliberate. I wonder too if you feel that you still owe him in some ways due to his support of you previously.

ConfuciusInventedConfusion · 09/05/2017 15:14

Thanks so much for your replies. And yes, there is a lot to unpick.

GreenHairDontCare, he doesn’t have a phobia, it’s just something he hasn’t done. He’s now embarrassed to go because it’s been so long. Regarding the crush, it wasn’t even so powerful, just a tingling sensation, sort of a nostalgic feeling of what could happen, I guess because I’ve had this feeling of boredom over these daily issues. I know I have to let go of things, but they all seem important to me (lights, clean surfaces, -not extremely clean- just so I don’t have to clean after him). I will try reaching an agreement on what really must be done and what I shouldn’t nag about.

category12, yes, I have to accept I am picky and I have to work on that, but it’s not like he forgets from time to time, it happens many times a day. Plus the daily/weekly/monthly chores that I keep reminding him of because I refuse to accept I should do it on my own. Maybe I’m too feminist or stubborn? Also, yes, we got together young, but I don’t think we’re growing apart. We hold the same views on important aspects of life, we always agree on important family matters like money, where to live, etc. In fact we’d like to set up a business together. Regarding the teeth comments, yes, it is repulsive, but if I didn’t care about him/our relationship I wouldn’t try so hard for it to change. But yes, sometimes I find it’s something I will not be able to overlook as it is affecting my sexual desire for him. Maybe the sum of all these little things does mean we're growing apart?

AttilaTheMeerkat, thanks for the link, I’ve already had a look and looks like I could benefit from some help. My friends are supportive but don’t really understand as they have never been in this situation (bereavement or long term relationship).

My DP fulfils many of my needs. He is always encouraging and supportive of my decisions (studies or career choices, living abroad for placements, etc). He is kind and loving, I feel safe with him. We make each other laugh, which I find is very important. We’re both very loyal to each other. On the other hand, an important need which he is not fulfilling is sex, and that is a big downside.

For many years I have also thought he is “forgetting” housework deliberately, I couldn’t see any other reason, but after so many years, arguments and conversations I know he doesn’t think like this.

I do think I owe him for his support, but not in a way that makes me feel obliged to stay in the relationship, in the same way I don’t think he should stay with me because I have moved city/country twice for him. It’s more like I feel we have lived so much together in such an intimate way I wouldn’t know how to be without him, but at the same time I don't want to overlook certain things that make me unhappy. I guess I sometimes feel I would have loved to meet him later on in life. I hope it makes sense.

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category12 · 09/05/2017 15:34

I think we dismiss the everyday chores as petty and trivial, but they're really not. I don't think you're too feminist or stubborn. Try this: mustbethistalltoride.com/2016/01/14/she-divorced-me-because-i-left-dishes-by-the-sink/ I do think it's as fundamental as the other aspects of life you mention, because it's day to day living and it's a constant source of friction if you can't either let it go a bit or he doesn't step up. Ideally a middle ground where you both meet on standards.

ConfuciusInventedConfusion · 11/05/2017 00:12

Thanks for the link category12, that guy is spot on but also helps me think about how my DP's sees things. I really hope we can find a middle ground soon, i don't want to be like my mother, mil, etc who still feel their partners don't take care equal care of their home, after 20+ years!!

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Cricrichan · 11/05/2017 00:25

Sit down and have a chat with him. Tell him that your relationship is at risk if he doesn't take equal responsibility for the running of the home. Tell him that his teeth is grossing you out so much so that you are out off having sex with him. Surely that's worth him going to the dentist for?

Your issues aren't unreasonable at all.

springydaffs · 11/05/2017 00:52

and I’m just wandering along

I think this could be far more crucial than you realise.

However, feeling directionless, stuck, bored to death etc goes quite deep and I think needs some sustained excavation to find out what's going on, why /how you've reached this point.

It seems to me the key issue is what's going on with you. Yy the chores thing is a major, serious, pain in the arse; the plaque thing also quite significant. But there's more to it, or you.

Have you had any therapy? Don't say you can't afford it, sometimes we can't afford not to have it. Most therapists offer a sliding fee scale if £ is a genuine issue, just ask. Have a look at the BACP site, click 'find a therapist' to find a therapist near you. Study the list, see who you like the look of, whittle down the list, contact who's left.

I suspect if you don't do something to address this, the climbing the walls thing is going to get worse. Breaking out and having an affair /dalliance is a messy and very hurtful way to break out, necessitating a drawn out amendments process/guilt/general extreme wretchedness. You can ill afford all that when you're already still wobbly from your bereavement.

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ConfuciusInventedConfusion · 11/05/2017 10:18

Thank you all so much for your replies. I feel a bit guilty complaining so much, knowing other people are in horrible relationships and deserve so much support, but I’m feeling a bit low at the moment so I really appreciate it.

Cricrichan, I’ve done that so many times. It gets better for a couple of weeks, then it’s like he forgets, it doesn’t stick to his routine. As for the teeth issue, I think I’ll just have to kidnap him and take him to the dentist. But thanks for saying I’m not unreasonable.

springydaffs, yes, I do realise that is my key issue. Since my teens I’ve just had to move forward, with no direction or guidance from family (difficult situation with my father’s illness), year after year I’ve carried on with my studies, chose a uni degree without much thought, just because I had to.

I had therapy when I was 14, paid by my family. After I left home I’ve had 6 months therapy, but now I’m in a small village in Spain, I’ve phoned therapists in the area but can’t afford it. I’ve had a look at the CRUSE link and I’ll phone them soon. I’ll have a look at your link too, thanks.

I would never have an affair, I’m very honest with DP, eventually I always tell him if I’m feeling attracted to somebody and why, after talking things get better (e.g he says he’ll go to the dentist), but then it all goes back to the same.

MadameSimoneSartre, sorry to hear you’ve been in a similar situation. I’ve already had a look at CRUSE, thanks. During the 6 months of counselling I had I asked him to come and they gave us some tips for daily life communication regarding chores, but I think we need something deeper.

After all these years I have learnt (the hard way, after so many rows) how to ask for support from him. I’ve become more patient, I make my expectations clear, don’t expect him to read my mind.

As for him not offering me direction, I don’t want him to think I am his responsibility, I try to be reasonable and I’m not expecting him to be my therapist, but in some ways I think I miss more specific support from him.

And yes to cleaning the bathroom (not specifically poo stains), but last week we had his sister and his friend staying with us for a week, the bathroom is in a state and I’ve asked him to do it (as I cleaned it before they came). Still hasn’t happened.

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springydaffs · 11/05/2017 16:12

A lot of therapists do Skype sessions now btw

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