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Being 'nice' to my ex

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ByronBaby · 04/05/2017 00:32

So, the short story is that my h left last year. I subsequently discovered that he was emotionally involved with another woman and had booked a secret expensive holiday with her whilst I was taking the kids overseas to see their granny. He has also been hacking into my email account and reading all my correspondence - obviously I have changed this now. He pays bugger all towards the children - please don't engage me in a debate over this - I live abroad and the system is not helpful to me. There is nothing I can do short of giving up my job. Obviously I have to engage with him over the kids, but he is always claiming I am not nice to him and why do I have to be 'so nasty' and why do I always have to think the worst of him. I am often quite sharp with him usually in response to some passive aggressive comment he makes and then denies making. Surely I don't have to be actively nice to the arsehole, do I?

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Aquamarine1029 · 04/05/2017 03:23

You poor soul. I'm so sorry for all the hurt you're going through. I have been there and I understand. However, I implore you to be civil, even if "nice" is too hard. Being sharp and holding on to resentment is pointless and those negative emotions only harm you. Do it for your kids. Wish him nothing but the best regardless of all of his shortcomings. Be the better person.

AcrossthePond55 · 04/05/2017 04:09

This is his way of keeping you on the wrong foot and manipulating you to do what he wants. If you don't, you 'aren't nice' or 'being mean'. As women, we are programmed to please and 'not make waves'. Men like him use that programming for their own ends.

You do need to be, for lack of a better word, 'professional'. That means unemotional and matter of fact. It means not being obstructive and being flexible on occasion. It doesn't mean allowing yourself to be jacked around or financially disadvantaged.

But 'nice', as it putting yourself second or giving in all the time nice? No.

ByronBaby · 04/05/2017 05:45

Wish him the best? Really? He has managed to waste 25 years of my life and I should wish him the best? Polite disinterest is probably the best I can hope for. I think that he has a problem with me making waves, that is true, and so labels it 'nasty'. Some tips on behaving 'professionally' would be very welcome.

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AcrossthePond55 · 04/05/2017 06:18

I guess it's not rising to any 'bait' and not showing emotion. Not letting him get a rise out of you or see that the things he says bother you. Unfortunately it involves biting your tongue and not letting him 'have it'. And that's really hard.

Remember that nothing he says or does is worth your time. If he says or wants XX and it doesn't work for you so you say no and he says 'why can't you be nice' or 'don't be nasty' simply do not respond. And don't be tempted to fill an awkward silence:

Him: I want to talk to DC
You:They're settled in bed now and I don't want them riled up. You'll need to call earlier tomorrow. (said calmly but assertively)
Him: I said I want to talk to DC, put them on the phone. Why are you always so nasty?
You: You'll need to call earlier tomorrow
Him: God you're a bitch
You:

Him: Are you there?
You: Yes. But I think it better that we terminate this conversation. Good bye.
Then block his number for the rest of the night.

With you living in another country, how much interaction do you have to have with him? And about what? If it's over money and you aren't able to pursue it legally, then you may as well save your breath. If it's about visits, if there are orders then you must abide by them. If not, you can do what you want (and is best for DCs).

The thing you need to remember is that nothing you say is going to affect him in a way that will make him change. So why bother? Why put yourself through the stress and aggravation? And remember also, that you do not have to speak to him for anything other than the children. When he veers off into attacks, hang up. Keep hanging up until he learns that you will not listen to verbal abuse. But, again, for this to be effective, you can't indulge in verbal abuse either.

withaspongeandarustyspanner · 04/05/2017 06:24

I find myself in a similar situation OP. I struggle with wishing him well, too. In fact, I wish him a life of abject misery, premature baldness and erectile dysfunction Grin however, I think the point of wishing them well (even though they don't deserve it) is the harm it can do to you.

As for behaving professionally? It's tough, but see it as a game? I'm now reaching this point with exH after over a year. I know he thinks he's playing me, but I'm doing the same. I'm acting professionally/being civil as we're negotiating our settlement. I think he's imagining that I see his 'nice' as an olive branch. I'm pretending I do, but instead of what he expects, I may appear to have softened, but I have a heart of steal and the resolve to screw him over via the solicitor. And he doesn't seem to have a clue.

withaspongeandarustyspanner · 04/05/2017 06:28

Oh, and putting the phone down while/if he rants, is hugely satisfying. I found it avoided unpleasant interactions, stopped me getting into an argument. Then he proposed that we only communicate about the kids, but then tried to talk about other stuff, so I refused to engage, quoting him and his rule.

jeaux90 · 04/05/2017 06:34

I found switching off the emotion and being really calm and business like very good for me. The forgiveness comes after that.

And he didn't waste your life. I'm sure there were good times and you had your lovely kids. You now have the rest of your life in front of you, personally I found that bit really exciting but then I was with an abusive narcissist so quite frankly a visit to the doctors was more pleasant than hanging out with his nasty arse Grin

nigelsbigface · 04/05/2017 08:55

Grey rock. Respond briefly, emotionlessly and politely when he has a query or needs information. Other than that you need not engage with him at all if you don't want to.

CatsDogsandDC · 04/05/2017 15:34

Why does he think you should be nice to him? It does not sound as if he behaves in a nice way to you. I think you are off the hook of having to please him.

Totally understand the 25 wasted years point.

Guiltypleasures001 · 04/05/2017 19:25

I used to put the receiver in a draw and leave him to rant, he hated it 😀

AcrossthePond55 · 04/05/2017 19:27

I used to put the receiver in a draw and leave him to rant, he hated it 😀

Bwahahaha, genius!!!!

ByronBaby · 04/05/2017 20:21

Or in the fridge?!!😊

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Bubblebath01 · 04/05/2017 21:09

It's my fault he ran off with a sociopathic barmaid, only a couple of years older than his children. It's my fault they think he's a complete , and it's a my fault he has no relationship with his children. It's also my fault I won't forgive him.....😤

Siwdmae · 04/05/2017 22:20

Ignore except to hand over children. Why is he getting the opportunity to make passive aggressive comments? Be cold, do not engage. Don't answer the phone. If he whinges, use the same line every time eg 'You were unfaithful, not me. You ended this, not me'. Also tell him to stop being a passive aggressive twat and that he can stop making his pathetic comments because you no longer give a toss.

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