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Prettyinpink03 · 03/05/2017 20:08

Hi 🤗 I'm new to mumsnet so not sure if I've posted this in the right place. If anyone has the patience to read through this long post and offer advice that would be really appreciated.
So I've been with my husband for 9 years and we have young children together.
He has 2 older sisters and his mum, they are very close and spend a lot of time around each other. In my opinion they baby him, they never call him out on his behaviour or see anything other than a halo above his head.This I can ignore, if there happy to let him talk to them a certain way so be it. But they expect me to do the same. I call him out if he talks to me like crap and all three of them will jump on me and have something to say. There have been so many mean comments and situations I have had to deal with and despite the fact that I don't like them (although not always this way) I have been nothing but friendly and nice to them.
It started after our first was born, Sister-in-law 2 would come around and ask my husband to help her fix something and hours later he'd still be there, this kept happening and every time it would turn out that she had people over, a couple of times she had been having a big barbecue in the garden with drinks and food. I knew I was being left out by her on purpose, I'd already figured out by this point she had something against me. One of the times she was on her way to get him I asked him why she never invited me and the baby. Both his sisters have kids and this was their niece so didn't they at least want to be around their brothers child. He asked her when she turned up if we could come too and she said there was no point it was a quick 10 minute job. That was that, my husband didn't bat an eyelid and hours later he was home, fed and tipsy after another group day out. It hurt me. Another thing is that SIL 2 best friend and my husband had a near romance in the past and once on a night out this friend approached him and said she was ready to make a go of things and he should just leave me and the two of them could get together. I had been standing there with SIL 2 and this girl five minutes beforehand having a chat with a very pregnant stomach and a fresh wedding band on my finger. My husband told me and I was disgusted. Who would try to poach a heavily pregnant woman's husband whose standing feet away!
SIL 2 would have this friend at her house on occasions I was left home and husband was over there. I was also upset that my husband thought it was an okay situation. Roles reversed it would not have happened.
I obviously was not a fan of this friend which led to SIL 2 deciding I was crazy jealous and didn't like my husband having near any other women. My husband could see no wrong in anything SIL 2 did and he'd tell me I took her comments the wrong way or it was in my head, I was far too sensitive etc.
SIL 1 is the "nicer" one of the two. She can be friendly sometimes and early days we got on well. SIL 1 actually told me after a few too many drinks that SIL 2 slates me behind my back, hates the fact that SIL 1 spends time with me and does in fact exclude me on purpose. Also the fact she dislikes me so much is that by marrying and starting a family with her brother I was taking him away from her. SIL 1 is no angel though. She has insulted me on numerous occasions, about my parenting, the way I clean my house, she can really go below the belt. When my eldest was born I was so petrified of washing this tiny baby in the bath, plus I was in a lot of pain so bending over was a problem. I wanted my husbands help to do it but he wouldn't despite not having a job at this time so he was home all day. After about 2 weeks of being home from the hospital I did it alone whilst sobbing through the whole thing. SIL 1 knew about all of this and went above and beyond to make digs about me not washing my child. I mean really nasty. It lasted years! She would pick my baby up and sniff her and if people were around she would say "ew she stinks". She would check her ears, her fingernails and if all was well she would look hard to find something I must have missed. One occasion I picked my child up from nursery and SIL 1 smelt poo when she went near her, I thought oh here we go but she wouldn't give in so I took her into the toilet and checked her. She was only 2 and a half years old and the nursery had let her wipe herself which she obviously couldn't do properly. I cleaned her up and explained. SIL 1 picked her up in front of a guest and said in a baby voice to my child "that's not what happened is it, mummy just doesn't wash you properly". Another time I remember vividly is going to his mums for dinner. That morning they'd had a bath (I had all my kids by this point) and we stopped at a garage on the way and my husband bought them a lollipop each. My youngest got it in her hair at one side. Within 10 minutes of being in the door MIL was making a scene about what was in her hair, SIL 1 came over to investigate. I said 3 times in a row what it was and the two of them blanked me as if I wasn't even there and then began to discuss with my youngest that mummy hadn't bothered to clean her or give her hair a wash. My husband was there and his advice was "you always take things to heart,just ignore it."
Things came to a head with SIL 1 when
her youngest and my youngest were messing around on the couch, she told my child to calm down (not hers), they continued to mess around and her youngest is 4 years older than my youngest child. She again told mine to stop and that she would smack her if she continued. Both children carried on and she grabbed my child and smacked her across the bum twice. For the first time since knowing her I stood my ground. I grabbed my little girl and told her not to ever put her hands on my children again and that her son was messing around too so why the hell hadn't she dealt with her own child. She did apologise and I think it was more shock that I opened my mouth but she backed down immediately. After this though she was never the same with me, the friendly spurts disappeared altogether and she joined forces with SIL 2 in having a good old bitchfest about me on a regular occasion.
My MIL loves to makes comments about white people to me. She told me that it wouldn't have been her choice for her kids to go for white partners (all 3 of her kids did), she wasn't thrilled about it but as long as her kids were happy she was ok.
Another occasion I was washing up at her house after dinner and she came in to check on me and told me that there was no way she was going to let me wash her dishes the way a white family raise their kids to do it. Not in her house. She has told me that I need to be raising my kids the way hers were raised and completely disregards the fact that I have family too. Because I was raised by a white family and they let their kids do what they want and install no discipline among other things she feels. Her opinion is her own and she's entitled to it, but to try and disregard my upbringing and my family's ways is simply disrespectful.
She has stood in my face and poked me in the shoulder whilst telling me that she is my kids grandmother and she will raise her voice to them, she will smack them if she sees fit and if I don't like it then tough there is nothing I can do about it. Her husband had to pull her away from me and yell at her to stop it. She has a huge problem with me buying my kids toys. She has even said to me that I need to call my parents and tell them she said they are no longer allowed to buy their grandchildren presents.
She has insulted my mum who she's met briefly a handful of times. I was furious but received an evil glare from my husband who again saw no wrong. I have always been friendly and nice to his family despite everything and I have on a million occasions looked after their kids, sometimes for 2 or 3 days in a row. Both SIL's and MIL will never asks me to do something, they will tell me. Eg. SIL 1 got a temp job and instead of "any chance you could watch the kids for a few weeks..." It was "by the way I'm working now so your gonna be having my kids while I work". When I question these things they look at me like I have lost my mind and if I say no, they want to know why, what am I doing instead, family are supposed to help each other". The "family" thing is a way for them to use me. Especially SIL 2, they do not see me as family and SIL 2 has made plenty of comments about why do I always have to be at family events. However I'm always family when they want something. SIL 2 lost her license and told me I'd need to drive her to work everyday. Her job was completely out of the way from my house and when petrol money was mentioned she was livid that a "family" member would want to take petrol money from her. So I'm supposed to fund her travel to work out of my family's pocket. I ended up getting really poorly a few days later, I was in a bad way and the doctor told me in no uncertain terms that I needed rest and lots of it. It was basically down to stress, and so my parents came to stay with me (they live 2+ hours away). Not one of my husbands sisters or mum contacted me- their "family" member to see how I was doing. A week later we were all at a friends house and his sisters sat and giggled together whilst looking over at me, and ignored me the majority of the time we were there. It was such playground crap but it made me feel really uncomfortable and self conscious. The one thing SIL 2 did have to say to me was how was I getting my kids to school now I was ill. I told her my dad was doing it and she asked me if I could get my dad to ferry her to work until I was well enough to start doing it.
This is when things came to a head with her. When I was back on my feet (our kids go to the same school) she began ignoring me on the school run. I didn't mind one bit, by this point I couldn't stand her anymore. But then she began ignoring my kids and it upset them. It confirmed to me the sort of person she was. Those children are her family. No matter my feelings towards her I would never ignore her kids. I sent her a message to say that there is no love lost between the two of us but there's no need for her to ignore the children. The message was friendly enough but she replied to tell me that I wasn't right in the head and admittedly I lost it. I sent her a message and didn't hold back what I thought of her. Things were then ok for a while. Very recently she got a job and I was told I'd have to look after one of her kids after school. One month into doing it her partner (who I like) gave me some money to say thanks. I told him he didn't need to buy he insisted. Once SIL 2 was told her partner had paid me, he said she was absolutely livid with me and would be having a word.
Both SIL's make digs about how lazy I am.
I own a dishwasher and a car and call me crazy but I tend to use them, this makes me unbelievably lazy to them and they make numerous digs about this. I sometimes feel very uncomfortable and even intimidated when it's 2 or 3 of them and I'm always alone when they start.

The hardest part is how the three of them try to overrule me with my children. I have made it clear that if my kids misbehave they can be told off, but they are not to smack my kids. SIL 2 knows this and will constantly say "if you do that again I WILL smack you" in front of my face.
She once pulled my Childs sock off and I heard my child say "mummy says we're not allowed to take our socks off" her response to this was a hearty laugh followed by "I'd like to see your mummy try and stop me".
I was so angry at that and my husband calmed me down and told me to leave it.
MIL will guilt trip me and my husband if we don't let her make the rules with our children, she has even made a point about grandparents having rights and insinuated if she's not happy she would go that route.
Obviously over nine years this a just a few but they stick in my mind the most.
Thanks if you stuck with this post xxx

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SherbertLemon2011 · 03/05/2017 20:30

Oh love. It sounds like a horrible situation and they sound like bullies.

Your dh needs to stand up for you and be united as your own little family but he might need some support to do so. It does not sound like he is anywhere close yet.

It does sound like the only times things have changed for the better are when you have stood up to them. If he could stand up for you it would be great too.

Can you stop spending as much time with them? Keep your children away from those threats of violence as much as possible. Get your family to invite you, dh and children on a day out... Pre-empt when you think you you will next have to see them and organise it for then.

Could you move away???

Also stop doing favours like lifts or looking after the children for a couple of days. You need a few phrases which you repeat like no that doesn't work for me.

If being excluded bothers you next time they want dh just go with him because 'as it's only 10 minutes' you, dh and children will go from them to somewhere you have planned to do. Don't ask to go just join him. But honestly I would not want my children near them.

Mil sounds vile but you need dh on your side. You sound lonely. Can you spend more time with your family?

I am sending you my first virtual hug

SherbertLemon2011 · 03/05/2017 20:33

Also I would repost this in 'chat' or 'aibu' or ask mumsnet to move it because you will probably get a lot more responses. The people on here often give really good advice for dealing with toxic in laws.

CMamaof4 · 03/05/2017 20:51

Wow, Reading all of that was really tough, They sound vile, That's every single one of them including your husband.

Honestly if I were you I would get as far away as I could from people like that. They are abusive, You don't HAVE to do anything for them at all, Just because you are related by marriage.

You are better off without them all please realise that!

Prettyinpink03 · 04/05/2017 17:43

Thanks for the replies, it was so long I didn't think anyone would read it lol, but it felt good getting it all out.
How do I move the thread? im still figuring the site out as I'm new here 😊
I have begun to distance myself from them the past few months, it's a shame because my kids and there kids are close. So a lot of times I'm around them is for that reason. Also I don't want my kids around them without me because I honestly think they would all have a field day being able to do and say as they please with them. If they have something bad to say about me I'm pretty sure that would also be done in front of my children.
Thanks for the hug SherbetLemon2011 it was needed.
Thanks both for responding and the advice given xx

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IonaMumsnet · 04/05/2017 18:00

Hi OP. We're going to move this over to the Relationships topic for you in a moment.

ohfourfoxache · 04/05/2017 18:47

Fuck a duck Sad

Love I've only read half way through your first post. If I'm honest that was more than enough: these people are utter tossers and I'm afraid your dh is no better.

He doesn't have your back and his behaviour actually doesn't just not support you, he actively supports them.

What on earth are you doing sticking with him? You could be so much happier, as I'm sure your dc could be, if you left the nasty piece of shit. I honestly can't see that he has any redeeming features Sad

tiktok · 04/05/2017 18:48

Pretty, that all sounds unbearable.

Does your dh never stand up to this bullying?

Your children and you would surely be better off away from this poisonous family :(

Thefutureissobright · 04/05/2017 19:05

I don't often say this as I think people need to communicate better with others to solve problems but on this occasion I'd say LTBS (all of them). Go be with people who love and care about you.

Ironmanrocks · 04/05/2017 19:36

This does sound awful. You probably need to have a long chat with your husband. He should be supporting you all - emotionally I mean. If Im honest - when there is a '10minute job' to be done I'd take the children out somewhere nice - for pizza or to the park for ice creams for instance. So you get to have a lovely time with them - even though you are not invited to be with your 'family'. It might make your husband realise that he is missing out on good times with his kids...maybe not, I don't know. Spend as little time with them as you can - eventually their kids will hear what is being said and they will probably tell yours. Keep away from the lot of them. No more favours/lifts either if you can face it. Be busy. Good luck.xx

Prettyinpink03 · 04/05/2017 22:23

Thanks for the kind words and advice.
I actually restarted this thread in aibu as someone suggested earlier so it's on here and there.
My husband has begun to sometimes stick up for me and his eyes are more open to what's said but most of it is done when I'm alone with them. I think I need to find my backbone as I seem to have misplaced it 😕
Also I feel more sane in my feelings after reading these comments so that's been a big help.

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SandyY2K · 04/05/2017 22:40

That was hard to read without any paragraphs. I didn't read to the end, but I can't believe you've tolerated the nasty behaviour from them and your DH is no better for not protecting you from them.

I would not visit your in-laws and I wouldn't welcome them in my home.

This goes beyond a cultural issue, they are out and out horrible people.

If your DH can't see what's going on, then I would be done with the marriage. You shouldn't have to put up with the racist and disrespectful remarks from them.

It won't get any better.

SandyY2K · 04/05/2017 22:48

most of it is done when I'm alone with them

Don't be alone with them.

No visiting your house when your DH isn't home.

If it's when he's around and didn't hear, repeat what they say in a loud enough voice in his presence. "Did you say that I'm xyz MIL/SIL?" Or "DH when you went to the bathroom MIL was saying blah blah blah"

See whether she denies it and if she doesn't, see what action your DH takes.

If she does hit your kids, you can take further action.

Jazzywazzydodah · 04/05/2017 22:57

Hello op hope your ok.

This is really common on MN lots of women post with very similar situations and always at the root of the problem is the DH

Not many wife's like to look that hard at the situation and pin point the blame of the MIL etc .. when in fact it's actually the DH.

Regardless of his family are horrible, he should protect you and his children from it. It's a really basic necessity of being married to some one. They protect and stick up for you.

Your absolutely spot on about not wanting your children around them - your senses are right there. But you need to switch on to the fact that he is allowing these women to make his wife very unhappy. It's really horrible that all of them leave you and your young family out. To be honest I'd leave because of that alone.

My dh had to make a choice - me or his mother. He picked me. it wasn't easy - I was literally packing a bag and I meant it. Four years I put up with her shit and I just snapped. She has spent the last three years in a rage with me because I dared to speak out and he picked me.

His brother however didn't pick his wife and after 18 years of bullying off mil she devorced him. Mil moved in shortly afterwards. She won no prize - just a very weak man.

Don't be like my sil. Don't cling on to a husband who completely disrespects you. You problem lies firmly on his toes here.

Flowers
Prettyinpink03 · 04/05/2017 22:57

Its normally when we're in different rooms, but that's a good idea.
Also seeing how he acts in the actual moment will be interesting.
I don't think they would deny it but they would definitely twist it or downplay it.
Thankyou

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Jazzywazzydodah · 04/05/2017 23:01

As an adult you can simply say to him in the morning "as from today XYZ don't come to my home'

If he forces you to have people in your home that you do not want then you have your answer right there. You don't need a big blow up - I wish I hadn't I was on the edge of a breakdown.

Show your children what a strong woman looks like

Prettyinpink03 · 04/05/2017 23:09

Thanks jazzywazzydodah, I'm glad your husband saw sense.
It just baffles me, what do these mothers, siblings actually want? To keep them all to theirselves forever.
I can't imagine putting my children In a position where it was me vs thier partner and children.

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AmeliaLion · 04/05/2017 23:28

They want you to fall in line and do everything their way.

Joysmum · 04/05/2017 23:35

I didn't make uf all the way through because it's clear you have a husband problem.

My dh would not let anyone treat me like that. He respects me, and we are a team.

You have a husband problem. At best he's not supporting you, at worst he's enabling and supporting their abuse of you and adding to it with his own.

CelestialFox · 05/05/2017 00:04
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SandyY2K · 05/05/2017 00:19

I don't know how you haven't lost it with them all TBH.

Much as this pains me to say.... Women can be so very nasty. I don't hear of nasty FILS in any notable quantity.

Why on earth do MILS think they can treat their DILS so awfully. It's simply terrible.

SpikeGilesSandwich · 05/05/2017 00:57

Your DH is a twat. He should never let anyone treat you or his children like this. My MIL is a huge bitch but DH supports me and takes my side every time, as he should.
The racism winds me up too, it doesn't seem to count when it's directed at white people, I'm sure everyone would be up in arms if it were the other way around.
You'd be better off walking away from the lot of them. I know that's easier said than done though, good luck with whatever action you decide to take, just make sure you take some, even if it's just stopping the lifts and the childminding. Don't be a doormat, your kids deserve better.

MusicIsMedicine · 05/05/2017 01:35

You need to get these people out of your life.

Ginger782 · 05/05/2017 01:58

Sounds like a whole family of jerks raised by a jerk. The apple doesn't fall far, the fish stinks from the head down etc etc.
They sound poisonous.

Jazzywazzydodah · 05/05/2017 13:17

pretty actually it's your dh that's put himself in this position. He is a grown adult. He can choose whether to take the piss out of you or not. It really doesn't matter what 'they' do as you can choose not to have them in your life.

It's your dh that chooses to treat you like a twat. I know it's not easy to hear but this really in on his toes and yours for putting up with it

RatherBeRiding · 05/05/2017 13:25

I'd go No Contact with them, and tell your DH why. You married him, not his family. They are vile to you, and it's desperately unhealthy for your children even if they do get on well with their cousins.

You don't have to see them. You don't have to visit them. You don't have to do them favours.

Might be tough for your DH, but tough. YOU don't have to take anymore of their crap - that's why it's called No Contact.

Don't see them.
Don't have them over.
Keep your children away from them.
Block them on email, phone, Facebook - whatever.
They cannot actually do anything to you if you have no contact with them.

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