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I need to tell someone - sorry very long post

54 replies

foreverwaiting · 14/04/2017 23:13

I’m sorry in advance for the length of this. I’ve never posted on one of these before. I just need to tell someone, I can’t live with it all inside anymore.

I’ve lived in an abusive relationship for over 20 years. We have 2 ds’s now 17 and 15. I met my dh when I was 14 and he was 17. I’m 35 now. It wasn’t long before the relationship became abusive, probably only 6 months in. There’s been so much and I was so young I just can’t work the timeline out in my head anymore. I remember having an argument with him and he kept shouting at me to call him a bastard. I didn’t want to but he kept shouting at me to do it. When I did he pushed me hard in the chest against a wall. He was then sorry, told me he shouldn’t have done it and told me to slap him back. I didn’t want to but he kept telling me to slap him, shouting at me over and over until in the end I did it and slapped his face. He then of course let rip. I couldn’t tell anyone, I knew what this was, I never thought I deserved it and I knew I should get out but I thought I loved him. I didn’t want to lose him. And I was ashamed, so ashamed of staying and putting up with this.

Over the next few years he ground me down. Isolated me from my family and my friends. It was me and him against the world he used to say. Things escalated when ds1 was born when I was 17 and we moved in together. I woke up once being strangled. I don’t even know why. Somehow I managed to get him off, grab the baby and run. I went to my mums, never told her why, and the next day I went back. I didn’t want to lose him.

When I was pregnant with ds2 he regularly used to kick me in the stomach, told me the baby wasn’t his. Would constantly accuse me of having affairs, cheating on him because either he knew he wasn’t good enough for me or I was a complete slag depending on what day it was. I never did, I never cheated. He’d do this in front of his parents, who knew that this went on. His mum used to tell him to stop but he never listened. They even used to do my shopping for me when I was too ashamed to go out because of the bruises. Who does that?

He never cared if the children saw or heard. My kids were conditioned to think I was worthless or capable of having an affair and leaving them or I didn’t care enough about them and my ‘family’ from the day they were born. He never hurt them. Instead it would be me who would shout at them. Frustrated and emotionally unstable I would yell at them for the slightest thing, taking it out on them because I couldn’t defend myself from him. I’m not proud of this. I hate myself for it. I love them more than anything in the world and they hate me for it. They learned that it was mummy who was the bad guy and deserved to be punched or kicked and generally treated like shit.

The beatings and emotional abuse continued, over varying time periods. Sometimes it would be weekly, sometimes even daily and then there were the good times when it might be a few months. I became a shadow of my former self with no confidence and no-one to turn to. I knew I needed to get out but I was still too ashamed to tell anyone. I knew I needed to build something that was mine that he could never take away from me. I considered going to a shelter, it sounds stupid but I didn’t want to take his kids from him. He always told me if I took them away then he’d find me and kill me. He had people watching me, watching everything I did. I believed it.

When I was 25 I found the one thing I knew he couldn’t stop me doing. I decided I would train to become a doctor. I know it seems ridiculous and completely at odds with any of this but I knew that if I did this I would have the absolute full support of my parents (who were doctors) and that he wouldn’t be able to belittle it. I’d never even been allowed to have a job before but I thought that doing this would give me the ability to get out and get out safely. It was the only thing in the world that I knew, it was what I’d grown up with. I had no training in anything, but I had left school with the grades to enable me to do it. And how could he continue to hit me when I was surrounded by doctors and other health professionals who would know the signs? I told him what I was going to do. Of course this caused what I knew it would, the name calling, the belittling. Telling me I wasn’t good enough, who would want me as a doctor he said, when I couldn’t even hold a rational conversation. And then the beating.

Up until then it would have been enough to stop me but this time it was different. I went ahead and applied in secret, had an interview in secret and got accepted in secret. I told him the week before I started medical school 6 months later. I’d planned to leave as soon as I could get enough money together to rent somewhere. I wish now I’d just told my parents as they would have helped me but I couldn’t, I was just so ashamed. 2 days before I was due to start I had a phone call, he told me he’d been knocked off his bike by a car and was on his way home from hospital. He turned up with a bandaged knee and a sling but no major injuries. He’d also hurt his back. I still don’t know if this actually happened or not. There was no objective evidence. I thought at the time he may have been faking it to stop me from starting medical school but I don’t know for sure. I started anyway and put up with the jibes about how already it was more important to me than he and the children were and what a shit mother I was for only caring about myself. He continued to have back pain, enough to keep him sick off work and then he developed depression. He took voluntary redundancy from work citing depression as the reason. I felt guilty leaving him, he had no money and no way of surviving. So I stayed, and we survived just about on my student loan. He continued to verbally and physically abuse me in places no one would see, and I still didn’t leave. How can you leave someone with chronic back pain and depression? Who threatens to kill themselves if you leave? How can you put your children through their father killing himself because your mother left him? I look at this logically and know that it wouldn’t be my fault and that he probably wouldn’t even do it but then I get overtaken by an irrational fear that he might.

I was a year and a half into my training when he kicked me out. No warning, just told me he didn’t want to be with me anymore. The relief was overwhelming. I found somewhere to live and took the children with me. He stayed in our (owned) home. For about a month it was fantastic and I felt free for the first time in my life. And then I was lonely. I didn’t really have any friends as I’d never been able to keep any. Any friend I had made over the years I would always be told how bad they were for me, what a bitch they were talking about me behind my back or how they’d talk me into having an affair. I knew that none of this was true at the time but I just stopped seeing people to try and avoid the arguments. I had no one to talk to and I was lonely. He barely saw the children during this time. They would cry and ask for him. The only way he would see them is if I took them there. So I did. I shouldn’t have done but I thought that if I didn’t it would be my fault that they didn’t have a dad. And he got back in my head. Made me feel like I wasn’t doing a good enough job with them. Made me feel like I wasn’t good enough period. This was confirmed when I failed my year at medical school. I wasn’t good enough. I was stupid for having tried to do this. Who the hell did I think I was getting ideas above my station. I quit medical school my confidence completely though the floor and 2 days later he said i could move back in. Unable to afford my rented house now I’d have no student loans and desperate for my children to have a family I did. It was the worst decision I ever made. I was under no illusion that he wouldn’t continue to be abusive but at that point I don’t think I cared enough about myself to even care. And two weeks later it started again.

To cut an already very long story short this was 8 years ago. A year later I managed to convince him that the only way we could survive financially is if I went back to medical school (neither of us working, house repossessed). My university had held my place open knowing I was going through personal problems (although not the extent of it) and amazingly he agreed. Determined not to mess it up this time I worked hard and just shut myself off to what was going on at home. I qualified nearly 3 years ago and have been working as a doctor since. The more I progressed in my career the stronger I became and with it the abuse changed. These days the physical element is more rare, it happens once or twice a year usually when I do something that pushes him too far. The last time was about 7 months ago. Emotionally is the same as always, it swings between explosive rages of name calling and shouting swear words at me to virtually ignoring me and not talking to me for weeks at a time. And it took me a while to figure this one out but a new kind of abuse has appeared, I didn't even know it existed until I looked it up. He’s worked hard at making himself the victim, continually having a ‘poor me’ attitude and how everyone is out to get him. How depressed he is and how in pain he is all the time. How scared he is to say the wrong thing to me because, get this, he’s scared of me ranting and shouting. Scared of me not letting him walk all over me anymore? This is a man that has on various occasions broke my ribs, my wrist, my fingers, my cheekbone, made me go temporarily deaf, knocked my tooth out, knocked me out, stamped on my head, strangled me, spat in my face and numerous other things. And he’s supposed to be scared of me? He hasn’t worked since his supposed accident. Refuses to get a job and won’t ‘demean’ himself by claiming benefits. Even in the days where we had to survive on student loans and I used to beg him on my knees to help me he would refuse and go on about the fact that he had a good reason not to work as he was so unwell. Doesn’t stop him playing football with the kids of course. So now I am in what I think is also a financial abuse situation. I’ve wracked up massive debts in loans and credit cards just trying to survive. I work extra shifts on the majority of my off days on top of 60-70 hour weeks just to get by. Everything is in my name not his (including the debts). I even buy his cigarettes! I’ve tried not to a number of times but he becomes unbearable.

I know I need to leave. Since getting back together 8 years ago all I’ve done is dream and fantasise about leaving him and I just don’t understand why I still don’t have the courage to do it. I know I can survive by myself, I know I have the means to but I just can’t say the words. I’m so scared. I’m scared I’ll lose my kids, they think so much more of him than me and will hate me for leaving their poor depressed ‘disabled’ dad. It’s not as easy these days as just taking them with me. I feel guilty because he has nowhere to go and no means of surviving, even though I know this is down to him and not me. I still have the fear and the guilt that he’ll kill himself and it’ll be my fault. And ultimately I still have the fear he’ll kill me. But I can’t take it anymore. I don’t want to live the rest of my life like this. I can’t bear it.

To this day no one knows, not even my parents. I’m so ashamed that I’ve put up with this for so long and taught my sons that this is how you treat women. I don’t know what I’m trying to achieve by posting this. I’m sorry it’s so rambling and long. I just needed to tell someone.

OP posts:
Bluntness100 · 15/04/2017 09:07

Just do it. Just go. Your kids will respect you more not less. They are probably old enough to make the decision on where they stay. I'm assuming the oldest is 17 or 18 now. They are not an excuse to stay.

So just go. If you don't you'll go to your deathbed having lived a miserable life. So go now and enjoy the rest of your life

MrsELM21 · 15/04/2017 09:13

What a truly amazing person you are.

You absolutely can do this, and you deserve to be happy, wishing you all the luck in the world

QuiteLikely5 · 15/04/2017 09:15

Your DC have to treat you this way
Otherwise their father will belittle them!

Get the hell out. Tell your family. This man has all but ruined you.

You will need therapeutic input to restore your esteem and confidence.

You need to talk to your family.

Please do something.

Do not feel sorry for this man.

Your children - I dread to think about the impact of witnessing this abuse - that is why you now need to show them there father was wrong, better late than never.

After all you have endured you could easily go to your local police station and tell them everything as you need a safety plan to get away from that monster.

Stay with us

Gallavich · 15/04/2017 09:16

So, realistically, the children may resent you. They may blame you or choose to stay with him. Unfortunately that's a risk you will have to take. They have lived in an abusive home all their lives; they have been impacted by that and that may affect their feelings when you leave.
That should not stop you leaving. You can't turn back time and protect them now, what's done is done. Staying won't ensure you keep a relationship with them anyway - in a few years they will be leaving home and may not want to come back to the abusive home they left. At least if you leave and create a home that is safe and calm they will have the choice.
I also wonder if you have hidden the reality of his abuse from them? Maybe it's time they knew some of the truth.

SailAwayWithMeHoney · 15/04/2017 09:20

Well done for reaching out here, that is a massive step Flowers

I'm sure it's been said already but he won't kill himself, threats to do so are very common among abusers who will do and say anything to maintain control and prevent you from leaving.

I think it's somewhat telling that he claims he's too disabled to work etc but will still play football, as he's totally financially dependent on you and using his 'disability' to guilt you further into staying.

I'm another one who thinks you'd benefit from giving Women's Aid a call - 0808 2000 247

You're so strong Op, you can do this. Flowers

ptumbi · 15/04/2017 09:24

Wow, what an inspiration you are! So much hard work, in such terrible circumstances.

NOW - tell people. You don't have to do it alone, you never did have to.

Tell your parents. Print off your OP and give it to them.
Tell Womens Aid.

Get legal advice for your debts.

Leave him. The kids are old enough to make up their own minds where they live, and they are old enough to support you. They also need to know what has happened in your marriage.

But for now - just tell people. Don't keep his filthy secret. Vile abusive bully Angry

HappyFlappy · 15/04/2017 09:38

Oh you poor love! Your predicament shows how it isn't just non-professional people, or people who are less educated or intelligent or on low incomes who suffer physical and mental abuse. This is horrible.

People don't realise how much courage - physical, mental, emotional and spiritual - it takes to leave this sort of situation. Abusers like this get into your head and sap your will to struggle. It is a learned helplessness - you just feel that nothing will change no matter what you do. BUT IT WILL!

The shame isn't yours - it is his. Ask your family for support. Explain how you need to know they are behind you. If things continue as they are, you will become so stressed and exhausted that you will have a breakdown. You may even make an error at work which results in someone's death.

You are in the financially strong position- leave as soon as you can. As others have suggested, get everything - all legal documents etc ready, and if you can, quietly move as much of your personal possessions out as possible -to your parents' home, or even to your workplace (would a colleague offer you some storage space? even in a garage?) And then go.

He is an adult.

You are NOT responsible for him.

You need to get out while you still have your physical and mental health.

Flowers
FrankWelker · 15/04/2017 09:38

You are amazing. Remember that every single day.

debbs77 · 15/04/2017 09:39

I don't have anything to add to what others have said, as they've said it all. But I want to say this.....I don't know you, but bloody hell, I'm so proud of you!!!!!!!

BToperator · 15/04/2017 09:41

OP if you can qualify as a doctor under those circumstances, you sure as hell can manage to leave him!! Just do it. I know it is not that easy, but you really can't go on like this. Give serious consideration to involving the police, and make use of any support services you can for advice or help. You can do this, and you need to show your boys that the way you have been treated is not acceptable!

joannegrady90 · 15/04/2017 09:44

Your post made me cry op.

You are such a strong amazing intelligent woman, congratulations on qualifying as a doctor!

You need to escape this cretin though, this is your life and you deserve to be happy not abused.

Make sure you are very careful and never look back once you're rid.

Good luck Flowers

Serialweightwatcher · 15/04/2017 09:44

You need to read your post as if a stranger had written it, know what they should do and realise that this situation has to change NOW ... stop being worried about what the children think for now because you can't live like that anymore. They are old enough to know the truth - let them read this too ... if they take his side then they do, but life is very short and you have wasted too many years being unhappy, miserable and abused. Tell your parents the whole story and your kids and get help and get out - don't waste any more of your life Flowers

foreverwaiting · 15/04/2017 09:47

Thank you all so much for your wonderful words. I am crying reading the replies to this. I never expected this. This morning I had this massive sense of relief that I had finally told someone the truth, even if it is in a virtual sense.

I know I need to leave him but I just don't know how. I need to get over my shame and tell my parents. I know that you're all right about that. I used to wonder how much they knew but I don't know anymore.

If I could just walk out the house and go and stay with them I would but they are two hours away from me. This is one of the main things I'm struggling with. I can't be too far away from where I am because of my job and because of my kids going to school. They are both in their big exam years and I can't mess that up for them. The tenancy on the house is in my name, he's not even on it so I'll end up being responsible for it even if I'm not there and there's no way possible I can afford that and somewhere else to live. And I can't just end it (the tenancy) because of the kids.

I don't even know how to go about going to the police or getting legal advice. I've never reported anything. I told my old GP years ago but then a few months later we had to get a copy of our medical records for insurance purposes and I was so scared he'd see that I'd told someone I asked her to delete it off the record before producing the report. I don't know if it would remain on there after that and I've changed GPs since. I used to keep a diary but he found it once so I haven't made a record of things for years. If I was ever asked about injuries by anyone I lied.

I read that you can only use incidents of unreasonable behaviour in divorce if they occurred in the last 6 months. The last time he physically hurt me was now 7 months ago and I daren't provoke another time.

Maybe speaking to women's aid is the best way to go. Someone said above that my job means I must see victims like this and it's true. That's the absolute awfulness of this situation. I see them, I advise them to go to the police, to leave, to contact womens aid etc etc. But I seem to be completely incapable of taking my own advice.

Thank you all so much, just knowing someone has heard me is a massive help xx

OP posts:
QuiteLikely5 · 15/04/2017 09:57

Op

I understand your position. You want your sons to finish their education.

They will do it.

I really feel like you need support to leave though. You need outside support.

WA are amazingly discreet, you could even email them a link to your thread and tell them what area you live in and they will help you.

They have seen your story a thousand times and they will help you from start to finish. Try will help you factor your sons into all your decisions.

You say you feel shame - that is irrational and that is because you have been so damaged and brain washed tat you cannot think straight.

Don't give up on getting out.

This man has made you feel responsible for his welfare. You truly aren't - he has tried to ruin you - but you are still standing - you are here - your life is only just beginning - that freedom is in your grasp

Tell your parents. You suffer in silence to keep his secrets, you are holding his Shame and embarrassment n your hands. Please share it with others.

MrsEvadneCake · 15/04/2017 10:00

If he's not on the tenancy you can keep the house and he has to leave. You are so brave and strong. It may not feel it now but one day it will. Get in touch with WA and with SODA who are based in the Midlands but offer online support across the country. It's a safe place to talk if you are getting ready to leave right through to leaving. It's supported by people who have been through this.

Just telling your parents means there is another set of support.

Flowers

https://www.sodahq.org/

Gallavich · 15/04/2017 10:04

It's not as simple as saying she can keep the house though, if they are married then she will have to go to court to get an occupation order. Without evidence of the abuse this may not be granted.

witwootoodleoo · 15/04/2017 11:32

There are lots of practicalities to work through, but please don't let this put you off.

Talk to your parents, talk to Women's Aid and get yourself a good solicitor with experience of similar situations. You've been very strong for such a long time and now is the time to have the strength to let other people help you.

What happens with the house, how you secure a divorce, where will the kids live... They are all obviously important questions but not ones you can answer yourself.

The first step is the hardest and you've taken that. Time to take a deep breath and take the next one. Just keep putting one foot in front of the other.

But please do not let him realise what you are doing until you have a plan in place and people IRL know what is happening. You need to keep yourself safe.

I know telling your family is daunting but imagine if it was one of your kids. You'd be upset for them but you'd be relieved they'd confided in you and you would move heaven and earth to help them get out.

Cherrysoup · 15/04/2017 11:41

Please talk to the police and have him removed from the property then change the locks (talk to your landlord about why, I'm pretty sure they'll agree). You owe this nasty excuse for a person absolutely nothing. He has devastated you throughout the years, he deserves nothing but contempt. You are amazing to have survived this. Don't let this be the rest of your life. Get him out now.

LookAtTheFlowersKerry · 15/04/2017 11:43

I don't think the six month rule applies to Unreasonable Behaviour, just to Adultery. It certainly didn't in my divorce.

Also, it doesn't have to be the physical abuse. You can cite the verbal abuse, refusing to get a job, turning your children against you, etc etc. He is abusive in every way.

Could you tell your boss? They might be able to help you relocate nearer your parents.

You can do this. Look at what you've achieved despite huge adversity. You are, as others have said, amazing.

Chinnygirl · 15/04/2017 11:56

You know you need to leave him, you want to leave him.
The only difference is that you now need a clear plan on how to follow through. If you can stand up to him to get your degree then you can absolutely do this. Call womans aid. I think that it wouldbe good for you if your parents knew, you can write a letter and give it to them if that is easier for you.

The only thing between now and your life free of him are a couple of steps that you need to take. Please do it.

Regarding your children, they might feel sorry for dad at first but they will get it sooner or later. It would be a good example for them that you can fight and get through anything. They might need that knowledge after all they have seen.

FourFlapjacksPlease · 17/04/2017 01:08

How are you getting on OP? I've been thinking of you.

Strigoi · 17/04/2017 05:30

I'm in awe of you. I really, really am. You've achieved so much in such horrible circumstances.

Other people will have better advice than I can offer, but I hope that you can find the strength to break away.

Wallywobbles · 17/04/2017 07:14

Maybe time to make a plan.

Write a letter to your parents. Tell them everything in one go. Ask them to help you make a successful plan but quietly. So no ringing you and adding to your problems.

Perhaps they can help you find another place to rent for example. They can do first visits create a short list. Give you an excuse to go out etc.

Find somewhere to store your passports, birth certificates etc.

Get an app like Evernote on your phone and scannable. Scan every document you might need in the future straight into Evernote. It can save them all as PDF. So:

Bank statements
Pension
Pay slips
Tax returns
Passports
Birth certificates
House tenancy
Everything else

Make a list of what you need to take with you. If you have somewhere to go to you could then start moving things little by little.

Or man with a van could do it in a day. Find a plan to keep him out of the house for long enough. But DONT TELL HIM UNTIL YOU ARE GONE. As you leave block him on everything. Your kids are old enough that you never need to contact him again.

Your kids are pretty much adult in the eyes of the courts. They will be allowed to choose where they live. Give them time. Lots and lots of it. If either of them in the future ask about domestic abuse educate them. Try to anyway. Don't make it your shame it's his not yours.

Good luck. Keep us posted.

foreverwaiting · 18/04/2017 22:23

Fourflapjacks, thank you for your thoughts and sorry for being so slow to reply. I have been working a lot over Easter and today finally had some time to think about things.

I have taken two steps today. I have phoned my local woman's aid and have an appointment with them tomorrow for an initial assessment. I have also confided in a friend. I don't have many friends but a few years ago I contacted my best friend from school over Facebook. She welcomed me back and although I find it difficult with how things are arranging to see her I have managed to. I haven't told her everything but told her most of it. She of course knew this was the case because of how I cut them all off so many years ago. She is going to help me and says there is a room at her house that I can come to anytime and I can keep any documents etc I need there if I have to. It is such a massive relief to finally be able to talk about this.

I am trying not to waiver and to do this while I feel strong enough. The old feelings of guilt are beginning to creep back in. I'm trying not to let them and I know that to be safe I shouldn't say anything until I have everything in place. But I feel guilty as anything. I think that this will come as a massive shock to him as there hasn't been any physical element for a while. I almost feel like I need to cause an argument just to justify it. I know this is the wrong thing to do and I don't need any further justification. Does everyone feel like this?

Thank you all again for your support

OP posts:
Wallywobbles · 18/04/2017 23:07

Totally normal. Particularly after all these years. You have to be out and actually separate for a good while before you can begin to sort it out in your head. Group therapy (like MN) can be a useful tool. People say something and you think yes that's awful. Then you think hangabout I've been there too.

Your brain compartmentalizes it and you kind of just have to take box by box.