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What Men Want (A bit about...)

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SuffolkGent01 · 11/04/2017 10:07

There are some women out there who genuinely wish they could be better wives or girlfriends, and I am writing this for those women who appreciate a bit of honesty about what men want - and yes, most of this does relate to sex. For those women who are open to hearing that, then I hope you find this helpful. For those ardent feminists, or man-hating Mumsnet guardians, who think this is a major human rights violation of some kind, then... sorry. (More on that below.).

Inevitably what I write will be generalisation, but as a guy in his 40s on his third marriage, having been around a bit, with a lot of male friends and colleagues also, and some experience counselling, I know this all applies to perhaps 90-95% of men. And If I say things about women, again it's a generalisation, so take it for what it is.

  1. Sex. Yes, married men would want sex much more regularly on the whole than they get (really, in my view, twice a week is pretty much the acceptable minimum for a couple under 60). But what truly depresses most married men, far more than the lack of regularity of sex, is actually that their wives simply show no interest in sex itself.

Any husband would take a woman who was sensual and enthusiastic and made a positive effort once every two weeks, then a woman who reluctantly rolls over to have missionary duty-sex once or twice a week. There is nothing more depressing, transparent, un-erotic and life-sapping than a woman doing duty-sex, and yet that is what almost all married men have to live with. What makes it worse, of course, is that this is not who most men dated or married to begin with, when so many women put on the show of being energetic sex bunnies.

But a woman who makes an effort, who does something unexpected, is a gem. So, ask yourself when you last actually thought about doing something new or different in the bedroom, when you last buy a sexy outfit or a toy, when did you last instigate a sexual act outside the bedroom (or, shock horror, the house)? If you ask yourself these questions regularly enough, you'll be well on the way to a happy husband.

  1. Lingerie. Men love women in nice lingerie, but for most married women it is purely functional and they have no interest in even wearing matching lingerie, let alone anything sexy, even at weekends or during a time spent together. This is an easy win.
  1. Presentation. This key principle is that men simply do not want to hear about women's health issues, or anything that a lady should not be talking about. There are millions of women in this country, but very very few ladies who understand the restraint that involves. This is really a function of good manners and etiquette as much as anything. So, men don't want to hear about anything to do with your private parts, body hair, etc. They don't want to see you adopting any un-lady like habits during marriage; breaking wind, burping, etc. just say to the world you have given up and frankly don't give a damn any more about being either lady like or attractive to your husband. Same goes for doing any body maintenance in front of your husband. All those things should be done, if they have to, in private, away from your husband's eyes and ears (not even leaving a razor out in the bathroom). If you want a happy man, you should focus on presenting yourself as something he desires. Body hair - anywhere other than the top of your head, eyebrows and (these days) a very moderate amount below the bikini line, is totally unacceptable. Men don't want to touch it, see it or hear about it. There are plenty of solutions, including having laser treatment (I don't know why this isn't something every woman does). A hairy arm, top lip, leg, side burn, or whatever else is a truly awful thing.

It is partly for this reason that some English men do like East Asian women, because they are generally more effeminate and also are naturally hairless in most areas. Anyway, I digress.

  1. Chat. Partly covered in 3 above, but one specific other area that men find a turn-off is when women speak in juvenile terms about body parts, particularly referring in giggling tones to someone's "willy" or "bum", for example, is an immediate signal and turn-off. So too is women speaking in clinical terms, like "penis" or "vagina". For men, private parts are, believe it or not, primarily sexual, and adult women who want to engage with their husbands should engage in more "adult" usage if they want to connect. It goes back to point 1, about men wishing their wives shared a more sensual / sexual mindset. This can help.
  1. Porn. I really could not believe my ears when I heard a couple of my friends say that their wives did not approve of them watching porn. And, then I have read threads on here of wives coming to the "community" to panic about what to do about their husband (sorry, "DH".... that's another posting altogether, god help us) watching a bit of kinky porn now and again and whether it's "acceptable" or not. Firstly, to state the blindingly obvious, it's not a question of whether a wife should allow, approve or tolerate her husband watching porn, or watching sport, or watching UFC or watching whatever on earth he wants to watch, if it's legal. He's an adult, a separate person, and that's the end of it. But much more relevant to this post about making your guy happy, it again links back to 1, and tells your husband you have no idea about his needs or wants and frankly no care, and that you are prudish, which is the opposite of what he wishes you were. Sorry, but that's the truth.

I appreciate porn is not many women's cup of tea. Of course, a woman who DOES like porn, either alone or together with her husband, is a great find. But even if you don't, if your focus is on him being happy, then just embrace it as much as you can. Remember, your husband gets no immediate pleasure from you using a sex toy, but can you imagine if he objected to you doing it? That would, of course, be ridiculous and out of order. Much better for him to participate, if his goal is to make you happy, and the reverse is the same. So, next time you think of ticking off your husband - who, by the way DOES watch porn REGULARLY, whatever he says - why not do something spontaneous, sexual and ground-breaking, whatever that may be (be creative with it).

Again, to those women who are interested in what men want, this is a little set of tips to help you on your way to making your man happier. It may not all be immediately achievable, but that's okay, it's primarily an explanation, nothing more, so you can better relate and adjust if you want to.

And, again, for those women who see this as the ultimate display of sexism blah blah, and are reaching for the pitch-forks or furiously typing a response about why men don't understand they are too tired for X, too busy for Y, and would do these things if only their husbands did A, B and C, and unrealistic expectations of women, etc. etc., then you really missed the point.

Bye Bye!
Peter

OP posts:
FlyAwayPeter · 11/04/2017 19:49

And I tend to find that people who comment on other people's class are aspirational Hyacinth Buckets, generally scared of the lower middle-class petticoats showing ...

TimeforANewTwatName · 11/04/2017 19:49

See peter you could learn of user

User's one off post scores 5/10 for bringing class into the mix too. Grin

Destinysdaughter · 11/04/2017 19:49

My 'firm view about social etiquette' can be summarised thus: fart burp poo cunt ODFOD

GrinBiscuitWineGinHalo

FlyAwayPeter · 11/04/2017 19:51

Or methinks, we have another sock puppet. That hamster cage is getting crowded.

Now where's the roster for walking, grooming and feeding them?

Kittencatkins123 · 11/04/2017 19:53

user (if you aren't Peter in disguise) this has nothing to do with social class or intellect and everything to do with being a healthy, liberated, empowered woman. And if you honestly equate door-holding or paying for a meal with enforced sexual acts, hair removal and porn tolerance then I feel very sorry for you.

BTW my boyfriend is Poshington MacPosh of Posh Fucking Castle (with a first and a masters with distinction) and he doesn't watch porn, likes mutually-wanted sex and doesn't care how fucking hairy my vagina is.

SaorAlbaGuBrath · 11/04/2017 19:55

If you've married someone who's commitment to you is based on whether or not you're a sexual acrobat with a hairless fanny or how ladylike you are, you've married a dick.
Commitment and a happy relationship should be based on a hell of a lot more than the frankly pathetic shite stated in the OP. And the insinuation that "a woman should do x, y and z to keep her man happy" is so vomit inducing I don't even know where to start.

user1491934509 · 11/04/2017 19:59

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writingsonthewall · 11/04/2017 20:03

Good god, this did make me laugh out loud. Cheers Peter

NoFuckingRoomOnMyBroom · 11/04/2017 20:03

Riiiiight, so I get a deletion for telling a fuckwit to fuck off but the drivel in the OP is still there... Way to go MNHQ Hmm

TrippyMcTrapFace · 11/04/2017 20:05

Can someone round up the trolls, sock puppets and most of all the goady fuckers and get them into that cage please?

Kittencatkins123 · 11/04/2017 20:06

user Enjoy your blinkered existence getting things wrong and never once engaging your mind.

Kittencatkins123 · 11/04/2017 20:07

Trippy yes please

fruitbats · 11/04/2017 20:08

Yes Trippy exactly.
It must be time to say
bye bye Peter/Grant/user

EdSheeranswife · 11/04/2017 20:11

Well I thought this be just a normal Tuesday!

😂😂😂😂

user1491937847 · 11/04/2017 20:16

OMG - just got home and read this.

OMG, OMG, I seriously cannot believe how angry this made me tonight. I am literally fuming. What on earth is going on??????? I couldn't even finish reading it.

And, how did MN not take this post down in a split second??

Finally, do I bother asking DH about his views on this, or I am totally now afraid / paranoid he secretly agrees with this? I guess he wouldn't say if he did anyway... Ugh.

PoochSmooch · 11/04/2017 20:17

Fucking hell, this thread is brilliant!

Just when you think it's going to run out of steam, out comes another sockie Grin

You've got stamina, Peter, I'll give you that. The ladies are lovin' it.

Princesspinkgirl · 11/04/2017 20:21

Omg haahahha dick

Kittencatkins123 · 11/04/2017 20:22

Agh must not get angry at socks!!!!!!

Kittencatkins123 · 11/04/2017 20:23

I like socks normally, especially my new ones from MUJI.

WellErrr · 11/04/2017 20:29

He's back!

Hi Peter/Grant/User!

Question - all this faffing etc, what's in it for the woman?
If the answer is 'a husband like you,' I don't think you'll have many takers. Cause you sound awful.

katiethestar · 11/04/2017 20:29

The OP is just a loser. No user, you don't need to check with DH, there is no way "Peter" represents all men, or if he does then we are all seriously **.

Reported. Back to grossing out my DH.

FlyAwayPeter · 11/04/2017 20:46

I know, NoFuckingRoom all i said to Peter was to fuck off back to the 19th century and i got deleted. What i said isn't a quarter as bad as the OP. And I was quitefriendly about it.

I mean, i didn't insult him or call him a wanker or anything.

FelixtheMouse · 11/04/2017 20:53

This has got to go in classics!

RJnomore1 · 11/04/2017 21:01

How did I just come across this thread????

FelixtheMouse · 11/04/2017 21:08

This is the best thing I have ever read on MN. I am crying with laughter here.

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