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What Men Want (A bit about...)

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SuffolkGent01 · 11/04/2017 10:07

There are some women out there who genuinely wish they could be better wives or girlfriends, and I am writing this for those women who appreciate a bit of honesty about what men want - and yes, most of this does relate to sex. For those women who are open to hearing that, then I hope you find this helpful. For those ardent feminists, or man-hating Mumsnet guardians, who think this is a major human rights violation of some kind, then... sorry. (More on that below.).

Inevitably what I write will be generalisation, but as a guy in his 40s on his third marriage, having been around a bit, with a lot of male friends and colleagues also, and some experience counselling, I know this all applies to perhaps 90-95% of men. And If I say things about women, again it's a generalisation, so take it for what it is.

  1. Sex. Yes, married men would want sex much more regularly on the whole than they get (really, in my view, twice a week is pretty much the acceptable minimum for a couple under 60). But what truly depresses most married men, far more than the lack of regularity of sex, is actually that their wives simply show no interest in sex itself.

Any husband would take a woman who was sensual and enthusiastic and made a positive effort once every two weeks, then a woman who reluctantly rolls over to have missionary duty-sex once or twice a week. There is nothing more depressing, transparent, un-erotic and life-sapping than a woman doing duty-sex, and yet that is what almost all married men have to live with. What makes it worse, of course, is that this is not who most men dated or married to begin with, when so many women put on the show of being energetic sex bunnies.

But a woman who makes an effort, who does something unexpected, is a gem. So, ask yourself when you last actually thought about doing something new or different in the bedroom, when you last buy a sexy outfit or a toy, when did you last instigate a sexual act outside the bedroom (or, shock horror, the house)? If you ask yourself these questions regularly enough, you'll be well on the way to a happy husband.

  1. Lingerie. Men love women in nice lingerie, but for most married women it is purely functional and they have no interest in even wearing matching lingerie, let alone anything sexy, even at weekends or during a time spent together. This is an easy win.
  1. Presentation. This key principle is that men simply do not want to hear about women's health issues, or anything that a lady should not be talking about. There are millions of women in this country, but very very few ladies who understand the restraint that involves. This is really a function of good manners and etiquette as much as anything. So, men don't want to hear about anything to do with your private parts, body hair, etc. They don't want to see you adopting any un-lady like habits during marriage; breaking wind, burping, etc. just say to the world you have given up and frankly don't give a damn any more about being either lady like or attractive to your husband. Same goes for doing any body maintenance in front of your husband. All those things should be done, if they have to, in private, away from your husband's eyes and ears (not even leaving a razor out in the bathroom). If you want a happy man, you should focus on presenting yourself as something he desires. Body hair - anywhere other than the top of your head, eyebrows and (these days) a very moderate amount below the bikini line, is totally unacceptable. Men don't want to touch it, see it or hear about it. There are plenty of solutions, including having laser treatment (I don't know why this isn't something every woman does). A hairy arm, top lip, leg, side burn, or whatever else is a truly awful thing.

It is partly for this reason that some English men do like East Asian women, because they are generally more effeminate and also are naturally hairless in most areas. Anyway, I digress.

  1. Chat. Partly covered in 3 above, but one specific other area that men find a turn-off is when women speak in juvenile terms about body parts, particularly referring in giggling tones to someone's "willy" or "bum", for example, is an immediate signal and turn-off. So too is women speaking in clinical terms, like "penis" or "vagina". For men, private parts are, believe it or not, primarily sexual, and adult women who want to engage with their husbands should engage in more "adult" usage if they want to connect. It goes back to point 1, about men wishing their wives shared a more sensual / sexual mindset. This can help.
  1. Porn. I really could not believe my ears when I heard a couple of my friends say that their wives did not approve of them watching porn. And, then I have read threads on here of wives coming to the "community" to panic about what to do about their husband (sorry, "DH".... that's another posting altogether, god help us) watching a bit of kinky porn now and again and whether it's "acceptable" or not. Firstly, to state the blindingly obvious, it's not a question of whether a wife should allow, approve or tolerate her husband watching porn, or watching sport, or watching UFC or watching whatever on earth he wants to watch, if it's legal. He's an adult, a separate person, and that's the end of it. But much more relevant to this post about making your guy happy, it again links back to 1, and tells your husband you have no idea about his needs or wants and frankly no care, and that you are prudish, which is the opposite of what he wishes you were. Sorry, but that's the truth.

I appreciate porn is not many women's cup of tea. Of course, a woman who DOES like porn, either alone or together with her husband, is a great find. But even if you don't, if your focus is on him being happy, then just embrace it as much as you can. Remember, your husband gets no immediate pleasure from you using a sex toy, but can you imagine if he objected to you doing it? That would, of course, be ridiculous and out of order. Much better for him to participate, if his goal is to make you happy, and the reverse is the same. So, next time you think of ticking off your husband - who, by the way DOES watch porn REGULARLY, whatever he says - why not do something spontaneous, sexual and ground-breaking, whatever that may be (be creative with it).

Again, to those women who are interested in what men want, this is a little set of tips to help you on your way to making your man happier. It may not all be immediately achievable, but that's okay, it's primarily an explanation, nothing more, so you can better relate and adjust if you want to.

And, again, for those women who see this as the ultimate display of sexism blah blah, and are reaching for the pitch-forks or furiously typing a response about why men don't understand they are too tired for X, too busy for Y, and would do these things if only their husbands did A, B and C, and unrealistic expectations of women, etc. etc., then you really missed the point.

Bye Bye!
Peter

OP posts:
MyLittleBoyBlue · 11/04/2017 17:11

Oh lovely, this reminds me of the dinosaurs thread Smile
I think we were all supposed to renounce dinosaurs after reading that op.
This is almost as entertaining Grin

Lisa282820 · 11/04/2017 17:16

Might kill myself if some men think this way and you are ancient at 40!
8 years left before I'm ready for the scrap heap then ( worried face) with barely the energy for action and even if I want to the hubby won't be able to get it up!

Are people crawling from under rocks in droves today?

The mind boggles ...

SongforSal · 11/04/2017 17:17

I am SO glad you posted this Peter. (AKA Saviour of all sexuality)

How, oh how have us women survived without the wisdom and insight you have kindly bestowed unto us?

My tits are quite literally quivering in humiliation as I reminisce over all those times I engaged in intercourse without first donning a lacy corset, or adequately pruning ones lady garden.

My poor, poor Dp has obviously gone through unmentionable trauma also due to my wanton flatulence. In future, I will hold it in, endure stomach cramps, and excuse myself to the end of the garden as so I can delicately parp in a more ladylike manner.

EngTech · 11/04/2017 17:17

Rose

Have comfy chair, drinks and popcorn 😀

Happy to share while watching the incoming 😀👍

AlcoholAndIrony · 11/04/2017 17:20

Hahahaha.

Any bets if the OP will be back?

plutohasfeelingstoo · 11/04/2017 17:21

Please come back peter Sad that op was excellent. We're all friendly here... promise

Thinkingofausername1 · 11/04/2017 17:23

No wonder you are on your third marriage
In sickness and health and all that

PeanutButterCheesecake · 11/04/2017 17:24

I think Peter sounds great and I'd like to go on a date with him.

It'd be like the greatest sacrifice in world history (and I'd promise to report back all the funny stuff he says)

Come on Petey, how about it? I've waxed me flange and bought crotchless knickers in 86 different colours.

Itaintme · 11/04/2017 17:24

I expect Peter has been banned and the thread left up for click bait.

Lisa282820 · 11/04/2017 17:27

At least he didn't add that if you are hitting 40 or over you are out of the equation!
I don't think this is a divide of the sexes after reading some replies but that of peoples warped thought processes!
I call it something missing!

MrTCakes · 11/04/2017 17:29

Oh god. You sound like my ex husband, and I was his 3rd wife. He can't find anyone to make an effort and fuck him now, like you.

SunsetBeetch · 11/04/2017 17:33

Willy willy willy!

fruitbats · 11/04/2017 17:39

You mind saving my seat while I go shave my minge and have a shit?
Rose I loved this 😂

I don't know why anyone would get wound up by such a pile of shite. Not even a funny attempt imo.

KindDogsTail · 11/04/2017 17:42

but as a guy in his 40s on his third marriage,
I read that far and no further.
I knew I did not think I would rate your advice very highly.

IfYouGoDownToTheWoodsToday · 11/04/2017 17:47

Poor, poor, Peter cant keep a wife.

I wonder why?Grin

Greystars · 11/04/2017 17:49

Lisa well quite, it must be the sunshine that has made them all emerge.

Anyway I really best go and inform DH that we may as well not bother anymore TTC or having fun in the bedroom - what with us both being past it and all Grin

Lisa282820 · 11/04/2017 17:52

No not funny but I needed a rant this week...
I don't think he was trying to be funny! I really do think with the levels of articulation and view he has presented that he was serious! I think he hoped he could be our saviour and guide, our go to guru of popularity so to speak!
Best to voice off at Peter than loved ones.
Thank you peter for begging for a beating :,)
I needed to vent :)

Lisa282820 · 11/04/2017 17:54

Well greystars! With only eight years left until I may as well be dead I thought I'd say it as it is :,)

AppleShampoo · 11/04/2017 17:55

Hilarious! Grin

How I wish I had a man like the OP.

RoseOfSharyn · 11/04/2017 18:06

fruitbats I'm clean shaven and being a 'sex bunny' tonight. Deffo no missionary. Will Peter approve?

Ampersand22 · 11/04/2017 18:09

How about some effort in return? Some men expect Sex but they have made no effort in Chat or Presentation or indeed Sharing Household Tasks and Childcare which makes you Too Fucking Knackered to bother with Chat, Presentation or Sex.Some men can't be arsed with Sex or Presentation or Chat because they are too busy with Porn

Elkegel bravo. This killed me.

fruitbats · 11/04/2017 18:16

Rose as you have paid heed to the wise words of Peter, I am sure if you are very good you may even get a visit from The Man himself not that he would know what to do with a woman

NameChanger22 · 11/04/2017 18:16

I have met a few Peters, most of them were in Thailand, for a reason.

katseyes7 · 11/04/2017 18:23

This sounds not unlike my ex husband. The one who told me his mother hadn't done something because his dad didn't want her to, and "she abided by his wishes."
l made him a cup of hot sweet tea and broke the bad news that Queen Victoria was dead.
l bet you're a bundle of laughs, love. Trust me, women can be sexual beings, if they're treated right and not taken for granted.

Werkzallhourz · 11/04/2017 18:23

From a completely different angle here, and bring quite serious, I think Peter's attitude is not only ludicrous from a female perspective but also a significant danger to men.

We've currently an epidemic of male suicide in Britain in the 18 to 45 age group. It's a severe problem. Yet Peter's post about "keeping a man happy" is entirely about sex: doing it, dressing for it, talking in a certain way to support it and watching it.

I'm sorry, but twenty something lads are not jumping off bridges because their girlfriends don't shave their pubes or give them a blow job every Tuesday after tea.

What you find when you investigate the issue is the these young men feel they have no one to talk to about their concerns, their obligations, the pressure to be a certain kind of person, probably because they are surrounded by knob heads like Peter who seem to think doing the reverse cowgirl with a woman in crotchless knickers is the holy grail of male existence.

And just to pick up on the porn point. Porn damages men. This is widely known and documented. It makes young men feel inadequate and leads them to think porn sex is normal, then they wonder why their female partners aren't up for sex that is like sitting on a jack hammer.

Even as a joke, the post reinforces ideas that lead to men feeling shit about themselves and unable to discuss what they need to with relatives, mates and partners.

The post for women is just laughable; for men, I think it's pretty poisonous.