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When do you know if you can get over it or not?

57 replies

Paperdoll16 · 03/04/2017 18:24

It's only been four months since discovering my H's secret relationship with a previous work colleague which was considered an EA (I posted about it before with all of the details).

It's broken me much more than I (and probably he) ever thought. He is very remorseful and he does everything in his power to help us move forwards as a couple.

However, I go through cycle after cycle of emotional ups and downs and none of us know what's coming next. It's draining and bordering on extremely unhealthy now. Probably because they're happening every few days, mostly when he's at work (they don't work together anymore) but I think it's that while distrust I have now.

I wanted to know every little detail. I contacted the OW and she told me A LOT (although H maintains some is not true) and now I find myself obsessing over those details, their conversations, interactions, the dates, what we were doing/ going through etc etc at the time and now they're all triggers. Anything that reminds me of him and her sends me into another low and I cannot cope and I tell him I'm done (again)!

My wedding ring has been mostly off since the discovery (I've never taken it off in 9 years prior to this). I have put it back on a few times but the pain I feel when I think about it is too much. He broke those vows. He didn't forsake all others.

I don't want to lose what we have; We have 3 DD's and he's the perfect father and husband (other than this). But obviously I'm struggling to come to terms with this.

Is this because it's still early days? Am I just being too sensitive? Do I need to learn to put this away (or at least try to?) or does it sound like I'm not going to get over it?

I need some reassurance on moving on after betrayals and deceit when you felt like you and your H/P were solid, soul mates and no one else could come between you?! Because right now I question how he could have done this to me (over three quarters of a year) without thinking it wouldn't ruin us.

OP posts:
NotJanine · 04/04/2017 10:02

Cudders- have you looked into arranging counselling for the 2 of you?

HmmOkay · 04/04/2017 10:07

You need to talk about it properly not constantly. Where has this constant talk got you so far? Absolutely nowhere apart from piling on the misery.

So you have to change your approach. Both of you.

Maybe give yourselves 3 days in which you don't talk about it at all and then come together for 2 hours to discuss it. She could write down questions and you need to answer them honestly. If you are lying, evasive, trying to move past it, trying to shut her up then the questions will always come up. In years to come, there will still be questions unless you are completely honest now.

IsNotGold · 04/04/2017 10:16

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Message withdrawn at poster's request.

user1479305498 · 04/04/2017 11:42

I actually do admire you cudders that you have taken ownership of this. In my husbands case it was he tells me more of a limerence thing, an obsessive one sided EA over a period of about 18 months , a lot of texting went on (both ways) I only saw odd ones which were not sexual but certainly I wasnt comfortable with, she said "thanks my chrismas angel" in response to something he had taken over to her and he said "everything here is horrible, wish i was there with you now" when she was away one christmas. and he wrote love songs for her and recorded them (which I found a lot of years laterboth the Cds and the lyrics ) however in the meantime of 10 years he remained friends and sending the odd Facebook message when she moved abroad and got married etc. I knew her well, she worked with us and was young (20) He lied over many years and always said it was just friendship and I was paranoidwell it may have been on her part, certainly wasnt his. He manages bands and she did the merch and they shared rooms etc, all whilst this was going on. He says she knew nothing at all (sharing rooms although odd I know is common in music industry and tours) I trusted him to be honest and feel my trust was abused (even if only on paper and CDand in all honesty he cannot prove it was just that) I feel thats why he feels he doesnt have to grovel and exhbit all the remorse signsto him , he wasnt screwing her, so it wasnt an affair, he just wrote some inappropriate love songs that indicate he wanted to walk off into the sunset with her and that his world was now just "him and her" . Its a different set of circumstances but very hurful as I have run the business all these years and trusted implicitly. I am a friendly easygoing person. If he had showed half the bottle you have to discuss, I may feel differently. As it is all I have had is he was sorry, it was all in his head, life was going wrong at the time and it was a diversion (his mum was dying, we had a few biggish business issues) I hated his mum anyway, and me keep mentioning it was giving him a stomache ulcer (it hasnt been brought up maybe more than 6 times in 4 months) and when i told him it devastated me --his response was "yes, I can see that" WTF kind of response is that and from a guy who tells me he definitely doesnt want to split after 21 years. He says he is very embarrassed, cannot actually think now why he did it, and thats as much as Im getting it would seem. I literally cannot see him the same way however hard I try , so its not I dont care, I think how I see him has altered things forever and that is possibly what your wife feels is so difficult, how she sees you is no longer the same, you have to build a different and new relationship to some extent, at least you are trying and being honest and understand this. You made a very bad mistake, but have taken full responsibility, understand how much it has affected your partners sense of "us" and i do wish you both well

Cudders021 · 04/04/2017 12:26

Thank you for that @user1479305498 and fully appreciate you writing that and am sorry you are feeling this way. The worst thing I can through is seeing my wife the way she is, not once in our marriage have I ever wanted anyone else but the way I have let her down and shown such disregard for her feelings over something I had really no feelings about is the embarrassment I go through daily. We have such beautiful children and together we are great parents, we enjoy doing everything together and the pain of being not close to her hurts me so deep. I have told her and will continue to do everything whatever it takes. I may get frustrated or sound like I'm expecting her to get over it but the emotional ups and down are and do affect me. I'm not looking for sympathy but an air of understanding that although you cause pain that it is okay for me to feel pain too if that makes sense? I know my wife has found some sound advice of these forums and as a place to write down how she feels so I do appreciate your words of support for her.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 04/04/2017 12:58

Surely I can't be the only poster who's noticed that, immediately after OP said she was "closing her profile", we started getting posts from her supposed DH? And now "Cudders" has taken ownership of thanking posters for the help they've offered the woman he betrayed, while seeking "understanding" for himself?

Am I alone in wondering what kind of pressure is being brought to bear here? Hmm

TheNaze73 · 04/04/2017 13:01

I'm in the once a cheat, always a cheat camp.

People that are in happy, loving relationships, with all their needs being met, don't fuck other people. His unhappiness has manifested in this & bought you down with him.
You'd be better off without him, as he's stuck two big fingers up at you & your relationship & you're worth so much more

Cudders021 · 04/04/2017 13:21

I haven't "fucked" anyone else @TheNaze73 I also don't believe that not fully knowing the whole story you can declare she would be better off without me but that's your right to speak on here so problem with that

FritzDonovan · 04/04/2017 13:21

not once in our marriage have I ever wanted anyone else
well that's a bit contradictory, isn't it?

puzzled no you're not - quite coincidental timing, hmm?

user I agree that once they have betrayed trust you never look at them in the same way again. Once you know they entertained those kind of thoughts (and perhaps deeds) how can they honestly think you're not half expecting it to happen again? After all, they have shown their true colours on that occasion. So, Cudders, what IS the time frame for being able to 'get over it'? How does she know you're not going to be in the same position and cheat again? It's a bit of a catch 22, of your own making.

Cudders021 · 04/04/2017 13:25

There's no pressure at all from me @Puzzledandpissedoff it's a platform she has used to seek some answers and advice that's all. I'm supporting her with ever way she feel will help our marriage. It's the first time I've posted because I hadn't before but felt that I had as much right to ask questions also??

NotJanine · 04/04/2017 13:30

Maybe you should have started your own thread rather than taking over this one?

user1479305498 · 04/04/2017 13:35

Has she asked you to post Cudders out of interest? --because I know my husband who is an intelligent middle class guy would run a mile and to be honest, I wouldnt want him commenting on here..

Puzzledandpissedoff · 04/04/2017 13:36

It isn't some kind of private members' site, Cudders - everyone has "the right" to ask whatever they want, but don't you think that, after 9 months of deceit (and considerable previous history of this sort of thing, apparently) it might be generous to allow your betrayed wife some kind of safe space to post?

I'm sorry, but if all this is accurate, I'm seeing worrying signs of massive control here ...

Cudders021 · 04/04/2017 13:41

No I don't think so FritzDonovan , I have never declared having feelings for another person or met up with anyone in our marriage. I've broken trust and been deceitful by talking to another person and have said things that are completely out of line.

No time scale.. but as mentioned I believe I am doing the right thing each and every day in order to help and support. I can only show in my day to day life the changes I've made to be a better person which in turn will help the trust be rebuilt and I just hope we can get through it and remain as a married couple

Cudders021 · 04/04/2017 13:44

Clearly not the right thing to do then by posting on here. Perhaps in desperation you will try anything

Puzzledandpissedoff · 04/04/2017 13:56

Perhaps in desperation you will try anything

So if you're determined to do "the right thing each and every day in order to help and support", how about a few suggestions:

Encourage your DW to attend counselling privately to work out whether she can move on from your appalling and longstanding deceit

Suggest she signs up for the Freedom Program, either in person or online - there are plenty of online links if you don't know what this is

Recommend that DW changes all her passwords, delete any links you have to her laptop, phone, etc, and demonstrate to her that you've done this because, having created this situation, you now respect her right to autonomy, whether on MN or anywhere else

It will be interesting to see if we hear from OP again ...

user1479305498 · 04/04/2017 13:56

Did you see your wifes original post-- I did and because of the similarities (and I found out at the same time too) I commented a lot and remember it well. If you didnt, then its not my place to comment , but it does sound like she had previous reasons for concerns too. She was clearly at her wits end but cared about you still . The issue is, she cant live her life as the marriage police. She has given you the gift of the chance of working it out and time and space to see how it goes, dont hassle her, (its very off putting) and accept she will be pissed off for very considerable time if she decides to stay with you. She cannot give you a timeframe, because she doesnt know , she isnt a clairvoyant. Im afraid that you will have to live with.

FritzDonovan · 04/04/2017 13:57

Ok Cudders, but reading in the OP about you having a 'secret relationship' with someone, which was classed as an EA by your OH kind of indicated you were showing some inappropriate behaviour and therefore had some kind of feelings for OW (as you felt the need to keep it secret?) Don't know if I have read the other thread which was referred to, so I don't know the exact details. However, from experience I know that ppl can be very clever about the way they word things in explanation - so you could have had feelings for OW (in fact, I'm sure you must have) but never declared it. If you didn't have feelings for OW, how did you end up in an EA with her? Genuine Q.

Paperdoll16 · 06/04/2017 08:20

I am still here and have read all of the updates, including my H's.
We have booked another counsellor and will see where that takes us.

OP posts:
daisychain01 · 06/04/2017 08:45

I don't get why a husband and wife would be 'living out' their marital situation on this thread. Weird doesn't describe it.

Paperdoll16 · 06/04/2017 09:06

That's a ridiculous thing to say just because he found and commented on my thread. I have merely responded as there were concerns of control.

We have talked lots (privately of course!) but I always wonder about threads whereby you rarely hear back from the OP.

OP posts:
Puzzledandpissedoff · 06/04/2017 09:41

Glad you still feel able to post OP, and hope you find the ounselling helpful Flowers

Having deceived you repeatedly and for such a long time, may I ask how your OH came to find your thread? I'm assuming your phrasing means you didn't actively opt to share it with him, so am wondering how much autonomy he's allowing you and whether you have any "safe spaces just for you" while you consider all this?

Esoteric · 06/04/2017 10:03

Personally paperdoll I would ban him, you need somewhere to vent , I can see he isn't a bad guy and is remorseful, but I do think it's important to work through without having to be careful what you say

FritzDonovan · 07/04/2017 13:30

Oh dear. 'Cudders' has disappeared without answering my question! Hope he'll be back soon!

herwegoagain123 · 07/04/2017 13:46

NotTheFordType- I really think your perspective is skewed by your employment. Not all men or women want to have multiple partners.