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That's it then - hold my hand?

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Againagain97 · 21/03/2017 21:09

Due to celebrate 25th wedding anniversary next month .... or rather was!!

Holiday to Thailand booked....but leaving this letter for OH tomorrow.

OH,


I was looking at the email you sent to Jim last night as you asked me too. For a long time I've not checked your browser history but I did.

I see that you are again watching porn, the search was naked MILF in sauna. I cannot control you, you can access via the internet anything you want.

But I do have the choice of wanting to stay in a relationship that makes me feel inferior or to preserve my self respect and dignity and leave. I cannot and will not ever be able to match those women that excite you so much that you lie to me.

I try so very hard to please you, often at the risk of my own mental health well being. You know all to well my history, the abuse I've suffered at the hands at others and of course the abuse that I've received from you. Abuse that you've sworn has ended, including you NEVER indulge in porn again, that you have promised time after time and that it was worth in it for me. That your inability to maintain a sexual relationship with me, was my fault. You lie so much, it's shameful.

You can't maintain an erection with me, not because I'm over anxious (which given how you've been with me, I obviously am) but because I'm not slim, attractive or a “MILF”. As I've said I'll never ever be what you want me to be, I just can't. What you're watching is not real life, it really isn't. You need to address this because you'll continue to have failed relationships with such high expectations.

I feel a total sense of relief… I've known for years things “weren't right” I've voiced it, told you my fears. You've always dismissed me…but ultimately I was 100% right. I'm not what you want, you “service” me very quickly now and then to keep me quiet. It again explains my feeling of not being good enough, because it's what's happening.

I've accepted and "forgotten" so much of your nasty sexual behaviour to me. Recently you've been angry that I'm not able to move on....because you'd never do anything like that to me again. Be it nastily reject me, watch porn above our relationship because you've learnt your lesson.


On a practical note, I've booked myself into a hotel.

I'm asking you to have respect and not contact me. I need to be on my own and deal with this.

All my fears have come true.

On a positive note, my worst fears have again been founded. Already I'm facing it and will in a long time be able to deal with this.

I'm sad that the pull of the “internet” was more important to you than our relationship. Our relationship cannot continue and I now need to draw a line.

You've had countless warnings, which not even you can deny.

This has been a tough but unsurprising end to our marriage.

I'll contact you over the weekend to discuss our “next move”.
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hellsbellsmelons · 23/03/2017 09:05

Well I had to live with my ExH for 6 months after we split.
It was hell on earth.
But I went to the gym a lot.
Went to friends and family for weekends and just generally kept out of the way as best I could.
It's not easy living under one roof but many people do and survive.
It's not good for your mental health though.

My recent Ex is also a porn addict and it affected our sex life as well.
He will never admit to that as we still had sex probably once or twice every 2 weeks.
But it did affect me and the feelings of rejection are not nice.
You are totally doing the right thing.

Rosabug - people post on here all the time for support.
It's what MN is all about.
If you haven't figured that out then I've no idea why YOU are on here!
What an odd thing to say!!

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rosabug · 23/03/2017 09:30

Do people really only want to hear what they want to hear? or do they want different, or even good forbid, challenging opinions? I'm questioning why the OP is doing this - for her to examine her motives. I personally don't believe she wants to really end the relationship - I think she wants to "bring him to heel" - 'shock' him into changing. I'm not saying he is innocent or problem free, clearly he isn't. But neither is the OP, in my opinion. Some couples therapy might be advisable - instead of these 'letters'.

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Againagain97 · 23/03/2017 09:39

Rosabug

I've suggest counselling, he said no!

I've left MY home, I'm going to rent a flat. I think that's pretty bloody final.

No, I don't want to bring him to heel, he's my husband not my child.

I'm sick of worrying what's wrong!

And it's not so much your opinion that's out of order, it's the fact you questioned why am I on here!!! It's a bloody forum that's why!!!

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FinallyHere · 23/03/2017 09:46

And like a switch of a light, it's gone!

Dear Again, this is one of the most inspirational things I have ever read on, in MN, the internet, anywhere really. Taking charge if your life, doing something about the things that are not working for you. Thank you very kindly. I can imagine that you may still have the occasional wobble, we all do, but its the right way forward. All the very best.

Your light switch simile is particularly helpful for me today, as I have been putting off something I must do. Its a timely reminder that the sooner i stop procrastinating and get it done, the better i will feel.

Hope you don't feel I have tried to derail your thread, just wanted to say thank you for the reminder. And all the very best, the rest of your life is going to be better.

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FritzDonovan · 23/03/2017 10:20

I personally don't believe she wants to really end the relationship - I think she wants to "bring him to heel" - 'shock' him into changing.

Come on rosabug, so now you know what she's thinking better than the OP does? Confused You're not the one living it.

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Againagain97 · 23/03/2017 11:08

Good luck finally! Hope it goes well!

Thanks Fitz, I need all the support I can get at the moment.

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FritzDonovan · 23/03/2017 11:15

Anytime Again .
Good on you for taking a stand. You'll feel much better out of it. Flowers

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rosabug · 23/03/2017 11:25

It's good you asked him to try counselling - but it also might of been useful to continue on your own. I hope it all works out for you. But I would still question why you are on here and not just getting on with it if you are resolute.

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TempusEedjit · 23/03/2017 11:27

Might help you to think of rosabug a bit like your H. You can't change their views so no point trying to argue, just go ahead do what's best for you.

Btw I always bang on about this on here, but it is such a common theme - I see a lot of "he tells me this, he says that" etc. Just because someone presents something as the truth doesn't mean you have to accept it as the truth. It's not a court of law, you don't need to prove to him you're unhappy before you're allowed to do something about it.

Good luck.

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TempusEedjit · 23/03/2017 11:28

rosabug why does anyone stay with anyone? It's not easy to dismantle your life and emotions just like that. What's wrong with asking for support?

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TheConstantCakeEater · 23/03/2017 11:42

Lived with ex for a year and it was hell. If you can move out it will do you the world of good. Good luck

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hellsbellsmelons · 23/03/2017 11:48

Because she would like some support and a hand hold while ending her 25 year marriage. Jeez!

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shineon · 23/03/2017 11:50

Im sorry your going through this op. But are you really leaving your husband because he watches porn? It just surprises me so much. I think 99% of men watch porn! Women do too.

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rosabug · 23/03/2017 12:02

Of course the OP may be on here for any reason she wants. What I am trying to do is to get the OP to question why she is doing the letter thing at all. Speaking of someone who has been in a 20 year relationship with a passive aggressive partner I have had to look closely at my own addiction and co-dependancy. One of the things that actually kept me 'hooked' was the need to keep communicating with him - letters - etc. It's actually a way of trying to control the outcome. Is the OP really not wanting a response from him - really??? If underneath it all you are wanting him to be shocked and try and beg you back and 'change' then don't send it - ask why you are still doing this. If you really just want to leave - then leave - no letter necessary!!!! Good Luck.

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Againagain97 · 23/03/2017 12:16

Shineom, no if you read my thread im not leaving my husband because "he watches porn"

I'm leaving my husband because his over use of porn means that he's unable to maintain a sex life with me. He can't keep his erection and on the odd occasion he does it's all over in a few minutes.

However he can happily wank over porn. The extent of how often I don't know because he lies. It's been an issue for years, he stops for a while and all good, then it starts again!

So, I live in a non-physical relationship , which frankly I find depressing and unfulfilling. But he is happy with that.

Or, I end my marriage, move out and start over. I may never meet another sexual partner, but at least I won't be "wound up" that I have a husband lying next to me who I can't touch.

I am well aware that women watch porn too, as previously stated I'm not anti porn. However, if a woman was watching porn to the detriment of the relationship with her husband, then she too is out of order.

Do people really think I should "put up" and "shut up". It's not just the sex act, it's the intimacy, it's the sitting watching a program and a sex act comes on and it's like an elephant in the room.

He would gladly continue to live like this, hence the "you're ending our marriage" but let's suppose I had an affair and said well I'm happy continuing the affair, and blaming him for ending our marriage.

The man makes me feel lonely, anxious, rejected and defeated. Or rather he did, I've now taken back control.

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Againagain97 · 23/03/2017 12:22

Rosebag, I've not left my husband before! Needed advice and handhold! Got good advice about the first letter.

I'm clearly not "adept" at how I should be doing it.

That's why I came here for a little guidance and hand holding.

You may mean well but you come across quiet nastily.

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jcne · 23/03/2017 12:46

I know what you mean about feeling totally calm. When you know something isn't right and it is proven to be a tangible thing it is a relief.

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jcne · 23/03/2017 12:48

But the letter is too much... you don't need to justify yourself or make yourself his victim. Take the high road and just go.

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rosabug · 23/03/2017 12:49

Sorry Againagain. Didn't mean to come across mean. Good luck with everything. Take your time......

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mysinkingheart · 23/03/2017 14:34

again you don't have to justify this to anyone.
Even if your oh hadn't repeatedly lied to you, minimised your feelings, and gaslighted you even without all that which for me is way too much already...you would still have the right to end it becaise his use of porn had ruined your sex life if that was what was important to you.

The point is, no-one has the right to tell you where to draw the line. You could leave because you hate his underwear for all I care..as long as you don't blame him, lie about it or abuse anyone.

There's more to this than just being cool about porn use, which is a whole other thread.

I hope you're getting time to yourself to rest. Don't beat yourself up about speaking to him. It did you good, you don't fancy him any more and he confirmed to you that he lies and gaslights so you can be doubly sure now that you're doing the right thing.

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Againagain97 · 23/03/2017 20:01

Moving out seems a good option for me, I'm just slightly worried that he will get comfy in the house and drag his heels selling etc?

But I suppose I can cross that bridge if/when it happens.

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