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No idea what happened with this man (details about sex, mentions of abuse).

45 replies

ahamsternest · 16/03/2017 20:54

Hi. Sorry if this doesn't make sense, I'm in a weird mental space and feel crazy right now.

I've a history of falling for guys who are physically or emotionally abusive, and people have commented in the past that I come over as overly passive/vulnerable because of certain mannerisms and I guess my personality which is quite gentle. So it makes me wonder if I've gone for the wrong one again?

I thought this new guy might be different to my old pattern. We are at uni together and met because he was tutoring me (a different year). We are both mid twenties. We seemed to hit it off and he took my number, later arranged to meet me several times. It seemed like a nice slow burn thing and he spent a lot of time with me, pretended to be very interested in my pet (at first) who I adore, seemed to love everything about me even down to stupid stuff like my handwriting. He would literally compliment everything about me.

We had sex after about three months of getting to know each other. Unfortunately it happened earlier than I would have liked. I stayed over at his house because he'd got drunk at a party and I had carried him home and he was being sick into a bin in his room. So I was sort of watching him to make sure he was OK. Eventually I got tired and got into bed and I woke up later when he got in and immediately cuddled up to me. He said something about the fact I was sexy and started things so I went along with it. The only thing I found odd was that he put his arm around my neck and started to choke me as I got near to orgasm and I panicked a bit because he'd not asked if it was OK. My ex used to do that so I thought maybe he just thought I'd like it and I let it be. He also bit me hard enough to leave a large bruise.

I noticed he was very negative about his ex but put it down to bitterness. He said she was abusive to him and often physically hit him. I was very sympathetic obviously and at one point took a long phone call from him as he cried about her.

After this things were pretty steady and he took me to the cinema on Valentine's and paid (which I took to be a sign we were moving towards dating). I bought him a little gift.

After we had been out for Valentine's, I felt odd, like something wasn't right and I tried to stop us seeing each other. The phone call about the ex was bothering me a lot. The next day I told him I think I need some space.

He immediately asked to come round to my flat and said he didn't want to stop talking to me and we had to work it out. I told him I had feelings for him and that I felt it wasn't mutual, or he wasn't in the right place for a relationship, so it was a lot better for me if I tried to move on and had some space from him.

He disagreed and suggested I try some kind of therapy technique he had been shown once. So he sat on the floor and talked about himself for 5mins and then told me to do the same. I said I felt confused and sad and didn't want to do that with him and I felt awkward. He kept sighing and got visibly cross that I wouldn't engage, sat far away from me and looked irritated.

I started apologising obviously and asked if we could just be affectionate again (because I was panicking that he'd withdrawn). Eventually he started crying because I touched his face in the same way his ex used to (?) and I felt dreadful. A little while later he said he had "warm feelings" for me and we had sex. He stayed the night.

Things were uneventful for a bit, he invited me out with him a few times a week, texted every day to say good morning and every night to say goodnight, and multiple times in between.

He said stuff like I was the yin to the yang that was his ex and I was "the opposite of her" and used to bring her up a lot.

I still felt uneasy and like I was being a bit led on but I tried to quash it and give him a chance.

My mental health took a dip and I got depressed (I have a chronic depressive disorder). He didn't like this so much and would tell me to cheer up. At one point he ordered me into a room at the university, and told me we would do EFT which is a technique involving tapping (therapeutic). He told me to write down 3 things I was sad about and then went about doing the therapy, telling me to repeat things he said. I didn't like this, found it horrible and too intimate to do with him due to my feelings for him and kept crying and refusing to do it. He picked up the piece of paper and ripped it up and said "well then I'm leaving". I said I didn't want to do EFT I just wanted a hug and some comfort and he said "I'm not giving you that. Either you do the therapy or I leave. I don't mope in my feelings unlike you, if you want to mope you can but I'm going home".

I got gradually more and more upset and ended up in such a state that he made me go to A&E and told the doctors I was acting insane, they watched me for a few hours and then I was allowed to go. He stayed with me and took me back to his and we had sex, I guess I was just feeling vulnerable and probably would have gone along with anything at that point (I know my self esteem is shit).

On pancake day I went round and made pancakes and we cuddled on the sofa. We went to the park after. All seemed normal.

That was the last time he was normal. He went AWOL. No texts, nothing. Selfies appeared on his Facebook but no messages. He was going to be in a show and sent two messages all week saying "are you coming to the show?" and I said yes I was going.

On the night of the performance I couldn't handle watching him onstage with him having basically dropped/ghosted me, I had a panic attack and left halfway through.

I then sent some messages asking if we could talk, saying I didn't know what I'd done. He said "nothing's wrong, stop worrying". But obviously something was.

Eventually he suggested we meet up. He was 20mins late and stayed on his bike the whole time. He told me I looked edgy (because I didn't know why he'd stopped being nice to me) and told me to cheer up. He said I wasn't "happy (my name)" any more and it was freaking him out. I tried to ask what was happening and he literally rode off on his bike. When I phoned him, he said "put it down in a letter or something" and hung up on me.

Since then he has defriended me on Facebook, he sent me a long and very coldly phrased message along the lines of "I feel I've made it quite clear, but I don't love you at all and you need to leave me alone".

We were involved in a meditation group together and I got a message that he'd changed all the website details to his own (overriding mine, as I made it) and basically kicked me out.

I still don't even know what happened. Sorry

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HeavenlyEyes · 16/03/2017 22:31

and get some new friends who consider choking to be abnormal and dangerous. You do know a man who puts his hands round your neck is one step away from killing you. Try reporting a man choking you to the police and see how they react. It is one of the worst types of physical abuse there is as it can be a precursor to someone killing you.

Wingsofdesire · 16/03/2017 22:33

Nobody has ever choked me and I'd tell them to stuff off if they tried it. We're real people. This isn't a film. ...

AnyFucker · 16/03/2017 22:33

It's just one after another, after another

If I was a bloke, I would be ashamed of my sex reading these threads

As a woman, I hope they are not real or else something is going very very wrong in the development of self respect in our young girls

He gave me apples. Jesus fucking Christ.

GallivantingWildebeest · 16/03/2017 23:18

Op, you've only been with him a short time. This is meant to be the honeymoon period - roses and moonlight, not being fucking strangled!

Just dump his sorry arse and move on.

Meeep · 16/03/2017 23:28

If men these days are all generally into choking, have you ever felt attracted to women? Maybe they're not so chokey.
That sounds like a joke but I'm being serious. If men kept choking me while having sex, to be frank, I'd soon get put off the whole idea.

This particular man sounds like he would bring you confusion, pain, bitterness, difficulty.

Let him disappear. Your life will be better without him.

MusicToMyEars800 · 16/03/2017 23:29

good riddance, you need to focus on yourself OP, get strong and independent! he sounds like an arsehole.

RubyBluesey · 16/03/2017 23:58

I can't imagine why you would continue seeing someone who tried to choke you the first time you had sex? and bit you hard enough to leave a bruise.... I'm afraid you should have dumped him right after that

tipsytrifle · 17/03/2017 00:29

Totally agree with AnyFucker ...

OP - apart from absolutely everything about this man being utterly wrong at every level of psycho-ness available, you said you needed space to listen to your gut instincts and his response? To come straight round and invade your space with his guru-cultlike ego and try to get you jumping through hoops of his twisted design.

He is a dangerous bad man. If he is typical of the men who find you - well, no deal is what you should be saying til you can work with your own soul and energy how to protect yourself from predatory abusers. You need to figure out why you believe this kind of person over your own precious self. You might well need some counselling and spiritual awareness of who YOU are rather than allowing others to "show you their way."

That man is not sharing great cosmic truths with you, his alleged therapies are about lies, power, abuse and mind control. With a dash of murderous intent. I fear for your safety. Your inner self fears for your safety. LISTEN

tipsytrifle · 17/03/2017 00:37

Just as a btw - assuming any of his past about being hit by his ex is true, how about if he got hit because she was fighting for her life while in the grip of his all-knowing hands?

Deathraystare · 17/03/2017 07:27

what a spineless manipulative allovertheplace little shit he is

And then some!!!! Hateful creep.

OnTheRise · 17/03/2017 07:50

If he were a qualified therapist he'd have stopped trying to "help" you with that EFT stuff when you said you didn't want to do it. But he's not a therapist, he's a manipulative, abusive, dangerous bastard of a man and you are better off without him. Block his phone number, block his emails, block him on social media and never, ever contact him again. Be glad you're rid of him.

Reading your original post made me shudder. Vile man.

ahamsternest · 17/03/2017 10:47

Thanks so much to all of you. My friends at uni all said he's a prick but I felt I was misrepresenting him somehow. I think you're right and I need tto doubt myself less.

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hellsbellsmelons · 17/03/2017 10:57

I'm also going to advise you do the Freedom Programme.
Contact Womens Aid 0808 2000 247 and get booked on to the next one you can.
You need to understand red flags, your own boundaries, it will help to build your self esteem and show you have to avoid cunts like this guy in the future.

You are well rid of this one though.

NotTheFordType · 17/03/2017 11:49

PPs have said it all about this spineless twat's character, or lack thereof.

When someone does something in bed that you don't like, it's perfectly okay to say "I'm not comfortable with that, please stop".

Are you able to access counselling via student services? I think you need some help in deciding and enforcing your boundaries, and raising your very low standards in what you will put up with from a partner.

Re: choking. Consensual breath play should only be performed between two people who have reached a level of trust and understanding, and have discussed the act, and the boundaries, before.

Unfortunately choking seems to be a "thing" in mainstream porn at the moment and I've noticed younger lads in particular think they can just start throttling you during sex, the fecking eejits.

ahamsternest · 17/03/2017 12:13

I spoke to student welfare today, two of my friends took me there. He was really nice and identified some of the same issues you have all noticed. He has referred me for counselling to get over the relationship.

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hellsbellsmelons · 17/03/2017 12:43

Well done OP - that's a great 1st step. I'm glad you have friends who are there for you as well.
Lean on them, they want to help you.

BaDumShh · 17/03/2017 12:49

I'm so glad you are getting counselling. As PPs have said, please please do not enter into anything even resembling a romantic relationship for the foreseeable future. You need to work on yourself and your issues before you are ready to start seeing anybody.

ThingsThatMakeYouGoHmmmmmmmmm · 17/03/2017 15:54

Please,please do not have anything further to do with this man. Choking you ? This is not normal. It is abuse. I am a man, 52 years old. Had my share of partners. I have never done this -and never would. This man is a weirdo. Please stay away.

ahamsternest · 19/03/2017 12:19

Thanks for the replies. I'm still feeling really down. My parents came to see me and we had a chat. Mum said she thought he was nice, too, but it was because I left out all the less-nice bits.

I just wanted to give him a chance and not assume he was a dick straight away. There were a few occasions on which I had doubts/was unsure:

i) early on, commented on how good looking his ex was, and acknowledged "maybe I shouldn't have said that, but she was really gorgeous".
ii) once commented that all women are psycho bitches.
iii) blamed a bad relationship with his ex for failing his first year exams.
iv) claimed that his last relationship nearly killed him.
v) used to oscillate wildly between sounding like he loved his ex still and calling her a crazy bitch.
vi) used to comment on things that might suit me, e.g. get a nose ring instead of a stud, put your hair up because women look scruffy when they do nothing with their hair (so stupidly I did all these things).
vii) said he always gets taken advantage of because he tries to help people.
viii) was on a mission to "introduce mindfulness to loads of people and help them all".
ix) used to film himself talking about his day and send these "video blogs" to me which I found a bit arrogant.
x) was overly familiar with everyone he ever met, greeting people like security guards and cleaners as if they were mates (the feeling never seemed entirely reciprocal).
xi) told me he was great friends with one of our lecturers, but when I spoke to the lecturer he said he didn't know him really.
xii) was doing coke at the first party he took me to.
xiii) is friends with a guy who has a reputation for sleeping around with girls.

I'm sure there's probably other stuff in there..

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ahamsternest · 19/03/2017 12:20

Oh and a key thing was, before I met him he was seeing a woman who had fallen out with me. I kept asking what exactly their relationship was, and he just kept saying "ew" and "I was trying to be a good samaritan because she was depressed, we were never together".

When I asked what aspect of "good samaritan" led to him sleeping with her, he got annoyed with me and I had to drop it.

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