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Bolt from the blue

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ChortledTheLion · 02/03/2017 23:29

So the background to this is that I have been NC with my dad for nearly 35 years. He and my mother split up crimoniously and he was violent towards her in the final days.

One of my earliest memories is her picking me up out of bed when I was about three or four, in the middle of the night after had had hit and she fled as if for her life through the night, pausing only to get me. She ran a few roads away to the house of an older lady and her daughter who ran the nursery I attended from home.

Various bits of twattishness ensued- going bankrupt to avoid paying child support and ensuring that the house my mum and I lived in was repossessed as part of the bankruptcy, refusing to see me without his new partner even when ordered by the court (after a social worker sent into observe the situation reported that his new partner was emotionally abusive to me in the sw's presence and in front of my dad), getting married on my 13th birthday and sending me a piece of cake through the post, sending me letters about his DSD's pony and family holidays to Tenerife whilst refusing to pay child support etc.

He tried contacting me fairly half heartedly a few times over the course of the years. Used to sit outside my secondary school in his car watching for me, got his partner (who worked in. City centre shop) to approach me once, emailed me when Friends Reunited was first a thing, called me after somehow obtaining my number after my mum died (I suspect the humanist celebrant I engaged for the service was socially connected to him and passed on the number, either that or a school friend of my mum did).

I did make a more sustained attempt at contact about 10 years ago, to see if their was anything there to be either salvaged or ignited- met a few times over the course of a three or four months. Realized that few if any of the circumstances of the relationship breaking down had changed and until things did shift, it would just go round and round. It was also obvious he was serially cheating on his partner, as he had done on my mum, and as an adult, I was very uncomfortable with that. (To be clear, it broke down when I was about 7, and he & my mum became extremely acrimonious, and after he refused to see me without his partner despite the court ordering that contact should be me and him only. When I got back in touch with him his stance was that it was much more my fault than his that things hadn't worked out then, my mum had practiced parental alienation until I rejected him and I should have resisted that harder).

Anyway, tonight DH came home from work, and after the initial pleasantries where exchanged and dinner decided on, he sat me down to tell me something obviously fairly serious. Upshot being that someone from kind of search/detective agency had phoned his best friend looking for me, on behalf of my dad, as 'her dad isn't that well". DH's mate declined to pass on any details but took number saying he'd pass it on and we'd be in touch if appropriate. My guess is that it's because DH's mate was his best man at the wedding, one of the witnesses and the search person got the details off the wedding certificate (we moved since getting married).

Anyway, I'm not sure what to do. I've had a lot of therapy last few years and have come to terms with things pretty well.

To be honest, I'm a bit sceptical about whether he is ill/how ill he is. Partly because well, a search person would say something like that to get a connected person to relent re passing on details, and because my dad was an inveterate liar.

If he is ill, I do remember saying to my aunts years back that I wouldn't have the heart to say no to a deathbed request. Her response was "That's just because you don't want to be that kind of person. You don't have to do it". I was a bit taken aback by that, but now that it might have happened, I realise partly what she meant by that I think- if he does that, it's just all about him again, not about you, he had plenty years to give rebuilding a relationship with you a decent shake, this is just about putting you in a position where you can't say no to what he wants (he is very manipulative- also very charismatic, machiavellian and good looking so gets away with it with many people, especially women).

My current thought is to get DH to phone the search woman back, ask her to stop contacting people (in case she chases up various aunts, cousins, school friends etc). And maybe to get to ask point blank "How ill is he?".

Beyond that, I don't know. My first feeling was profound sense of relief that all the darkness that started that night my mum ran into the night with me might finally be gone for good-I've always had a sense of foreboding that he might make my world come crashing down again somehow, although therapy, good friends and a good husband have eased that feeling. I know I don't want to get involved with his second family in any way- with one exception, they have generally been pretty awful to me, I was always pretty much Cinderella in their eyes, and I know his wife would be very against me having any place in his life, as she always has been. My other feelings aren't that apparent yet, although I can tell emotion is running quite high within myself, so spent a bit of time tonight clearing decks of stuff to me done Friday-Monday. Partly in case of possible mercy dashes, but mostly in case a lot of old deep distress NC emotions rears up.

If he really is at death's door, I would probably be able to go see him briefly, on his own, to say goodbye. Anything other than that, I don't think I want to face it. I was used to this kind of high drama when I was growing up (running into night, homelessness, kidnapping one time, disappearances, he tried to have my mother committed once). I realise he is probably a narcissist and enjoys being the centre of a swirling pool,of destructive chaos. I've worked hard not to have that kind of life, to heal the damage that an early life like that did and get a good, kind, enjoyable happy life together. I don't want to be sucked back into the drama.

How do I handle this?

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ChortledTheLion · 03/03/2017 10:32

I have reported my last post as I realise I inadvertently outed myself a bit. Although anyone connected would know right away, cos how many people did that happen to yesterday?

It does change the whole narcissistic supply angle though.

He did make a sincere apology to me once, but I did very much lead him to it. During our attempted reconciliation I said "I'm sorry, I realise that I don't even know when your birthday is?" And he apologised for getting re-married on my birthday and sending me a bit of cake through the post as the first I heard of it. To be fair though, he did then go on to say that it was his wife's idea, so typical blameshifting.

So I reckon I've had as much on the apology front from him as I want or need Kr1stina and Annie. Anything forthcoming would have to be prefaced with my apologising for something and it would come with side-orders of blameshifting, mansplaining and self-pity party woe is me monologues.

Part of the reason I thought that there was no point pursuing a reconciliation further when I tried it was down to the things he said to me about my mum Kr1stina. So I know what you mean about his deathbed woe is me monologue. My mum did say bad things about him to me, but out of hurt/exasperation at the time they happened- like direct reports (which given we lived together just the two of us was going to happen). They weren't with vindictive intent. Or said out of context or inappropriately.

The way he thinks about her is obviously pretty screwed up, and designed to twist her into an excuse for his doing the bad stuff. the most inappropriate thing he said was "I always thought, looking back, that your mother was more suited to being a geisha or a courtesan than a wife". Who says that to a child about their mother? I mean really. As soon as he said that, I knew there was no future in it. I couldn't be disloyal to my mum like that. I actually wanted to kill him stone dead for daring to say something like that. It killed any path forward we might have had. It was the most egregious example of the extent to which he had not changed or learned or moved beyond arrogant selfishness at all.

I've been down reconciliation road with him before, I realised that it was actually the road to nowhere.

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ChortledTheLion · 03/03/2017 12:39

Now my thoughts are turning to how to compose an email to her (let's call her Georgia). What do I say? I could stumble out something like "Um, I know this is a bit awkward and who has extensive practice with this kind of situation? But hello Georgia, how are you? Thanks for getting in touch, what's going on?

But I kind of want it to be an it smoother and more elegant than that. 1. I suspect she's,stuck her neck out a bit and I want to reflect that I appreciate that she's the sort of person who would do that 2. I don't want to tumble headlong into a nest of vipers.

Hmm.

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ChortledTheLion · 03/03/2017 12:44

For all I know she's a mumsnetter.

Anyway,

Hello Georgia

How are you? I hope that you are well. I appreciate your getting in touch- it can't have been easy or straightforward for you. Thank you.

It's been a long time since we have seen one another in person, and it sound like events have taken a critical turn. Perhaps you would be kind enough to update me.

Kind regards

Chortled

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Notanotherpawpatrol · 03/03/2017 12:50

I think it's ok to acknowledge the awkwardness of it all, and also to say you really appreciate her contacting you and letting you know your dad is ill, and could she fill you in further on the situation.

That way you aren't committing to seeing him (if it's not her your talking to) you're very clear that you're only contacting because he's ill and your first thought isn't 'i must rush to the hospital'

It's a very difficult situation though, make sure you are protecting yourself against emotional harm though. Don't let him back in to abuse you again. You are stronger now and definitley deserve more Flowers

Notanotherpawpatrol · 03/03/2017 12:51

Sorry, x posted, that sounds like a perfect email Smile

ChortledTheLion · 03/03/2017 13:33

Thank you PawPatrol.

With respect to looking after myself emotionally, I am trying.

  1. A bit of googling has shown me that the email address I have been given is very similar to her twitter handle, so I think it is genuine.2
  1. I will email her tonight, when DH is back from work. That way I have company if it does turn out to be some kind of set-up/the news is very bad, like some hideous car crash where my dads wiped out a family with babies in the back seat.
  1. I am going to set up an alternate email address, which is closable, in case something goes awry and I've totally misread the situation.
  1. Some googling has turned up some further contact details (work etc) which correspond both to my memories and the address I've been given.
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DorothyBastard · 03/03/2017 13:54

I don't have any advice but I just wanted to say that you sound very self aware, poised and in control. You deserve to be happy.

Blossomdeary · 03/03/2017 13:58

You really need that vital piece of information about how ill he is, so asking your oh TO TRY AND FIND THAT OUT FOR YOU IS THE WAY TO GO.

ChortledTheLion · 03/03/2017 14:11

Thank you Dorothy. That is a very kind thing for you to say.

Good point Blossom. I will get him to google the family announcements section of the paper local to my dad, and once I send the email, I will make sure DH is the one who reads responses etc. So that means I should get him to set up the dummy email and hold it's password so I don't do it while he's sleeping.

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PollytheDolly · 03/03/2017 14:46

Your DH sounds wonderful!!!

For you OP Flowers

ChortledTheLion · 03/03/2017 14:56

Thank you Polly

Family announcements section has no mention of anyone with my dad's surname.

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Timeforteaplease · 03/03/2017 15:14

the opposite of love wasn't hate, it was indifference

Bloody hell - that is so true. I had never thought of it in those terms, but you are spot on. NC with my dad for 10 years - no longer care about him at all. All love/hate washed away. I am indifferent!

PollytheDolly · 03/03/2017 15:59

the opposite of love wasn't hate, it was indifference

That's a quote and a half. Wow.

ChortledTheLion · 03/03/2017 16:05

It's Krystal Carrington to Blake Carrington re Alexis Colby in Dynasty if my 80s childhood memory serves me correctly. Although she may have been requiring of course.

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ChortledTheLion · 03/03/2017 16:06

*requiting

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ChortledTheLion · 03/03/2017 16:06

God *requoting

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ChortledTheLion · 03/03/2017 16:08

It's Elie Weisel

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